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Old 09-19-2012, 08:59   #51
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Another botch by Team Mittens, had he been saying this publicly he could have at least had some say the narrative. Instead he's busy chasing after a hostile press.
He could've said it perfectly and he'd still be chasing after a hostile media. The MSM media has become a full-fledged state propaganda machine for the past four years. The advantage to this being off the cuff and leaked is that it reassures conservatives and moderates that he meant what he said. I've long maintained that he's more conservative than people give him credit for, but it's still nice to get some reassurances.
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Old 09-19-2012, 09:09   #52
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Now, I believe Romney spoke truth words in the first place. But on top of that, I have to believe that the revelations of the "redistribution" comments by Obama in 1998 are more damaging than whatever way the MSM wants to spin Mitt's comments.

We are still predominantly a center-right nation (hard as it is to imagine at times), and Obama adding his own verbal authentication to the narrative that he is a socialist has to be damaging to him. I mean, one can hardly be accused of "racism" if Obama said so in his own words...


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Old 09-19-2012, 10:11   #53
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Another botch by Team Mittens, had he been saying this publicly he could have at least had some say the narrative. Instead he's busy chasing after a hostile press.
No, he is getting a lot of good mileage for his message out of the press. "Team Mittens" is playing it quite well actually. He stated a fact and he isn't apologizing for it like "the Apologizer in Chief"would. He is showing integrity and honesty (not that any liberals recognize either one, but that's OK they weren't going to vote for anyone but Dear Leader anyway)
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Old 09-19-2012, 13:23   #54
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Republicans, especially in the South, who are not rich, better take a good, long hard look at the man and what he said in the video. It may seem like Romney is trashing Democrats at the $50,000-a-plate dinner, but really he's talking about Republicans.
Eight of the 10 states with the highest percentage of filers who didn't pay federal income taxes are red states that voted for John McCain in 2008: Mississippi, Georgia, Alabama, Texas, Louisiana, South Carolina, Arkansas, and Idaho. Only New Mexico and Florida voted for Obama. Conversely, of the 10 states with the lowest percentage of filers who didn't pay federal income taxes, seven voted for Obama. Only Alaska, Wyoming and North Dakota voted for McCain.
Keep in mind a large portion of the 47% that Romney was talking about are middle- and low-income Republicans who voted for McCain. They are not Obama-loving Democrats. That's not spin, that's fact.
This is what I posted on another thread.....


"I'm from Arkansas and it amazes me every time someone that I know, not a friend, just someone that I know, that are White Trailer Park Trash that says they are going to vote for Romney.

It just doesn't make sense to me.

Take "Person X" for example......

Lives in a rented trailer in a trailer park and HUD pays his rent. Plus he draws +$700.00/mo in food stamps, has one kid drawing an SSI check, kids are on ARKids insurance (welfare) and states that he and his ol' lady will vote for Romney in November.

Yep, this is your typical Southern Republican.

I know several hundred of them."
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Old 09-19-2012, 13:28   #55
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This is what I posted on another thread.....


"I'm from Arkansas and it amazes me every time someone that I know, not a friend, just someone that I know, that are White Trailer Park Trash that says they are going to vote for Romney.

It just doesn't make sense to me.

Take "Person X" for example......

Lives in a rented trailer in a trailer park and HUD pays his rent. Plus he draws +$700.00/mo in food stamps, has one kid drawing an SSI check, kids are on ARKids insurance (welfare) and states that he and his ol' lady will vote for Romney in November.

Yep, this is your typical Southern Republican.

I know several hundred of them."
Maybe they don't feel they're entitled to more of our money than they're already getting. A foreign concept for liberals, I'm quite sure.
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Old 09-19-2012, 14:49   #56
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This is what I posted on another thread.....


"I'm from Arkansas and it amazes me every time someone that I know, not a friend, just someone that I know, that are White Trailer Park Trash that says they are going to vote for Romney.

It just doesn't make sense to me.

Take "Person X" for example......

Lives in a rented trailer in a trailer park and HUD pays his rent. Plus he draws +$700.00/mo in food stamps, has one kid drawing an SSI check, kids are on ARKids insurance (welfare) and states that he and his ol' lady will vote for Romney in November.

Yep, this is your typical Southern Republican.

I know several hundred of them."
1. Romney (or any other Republican) isn't going to completely eliminate welfare programs. Republicans want a return to a safety net for 10-20% of the population, preferably run through more efficient local/private programs, not a safety hammock for 50-60% of the population.

2. Your example illustrates that calls for reforming welfare isn't racist.

3. I don't know how any white male can watch the DNC convention and find anything in common with the modern Social Democrat party.
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Old 09-19-2012, 15:03   #57
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1. Romney (or any other Republican) isn't going to completely eliminate welfare programs. Republicans want a return to a safety net for 10-20% of the population, preferably run through more efficient local/private programs, not a safety hammock for 50-60% of the population.

2. Your example illustrates that calls for reforming welfare isn't racist.

3. I don't know how any white male can watch the DNC convention and find anything in common with the modern Social Democrat party.
The self-loathing can and do... but I agree with your sentiment.
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Me neither.

How can any white male (especially one that owns a business, is wealthy or self sufficient) watch the DNC convention and think these people represent me and my interests?

I don't even think the DNC LIKES white males. They sure don't like business owners as they prove with Obama and the fake Injun's comments about "you did not build that."

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Old 10-05-2012, 08:36   #59
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And Mitt flip flops again.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...n_1941423.html

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Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has described his disparaging remarks about the 47 percent of Americans who don't pay federal income taxes as "not elegantly stated." Now he's calling them "just completely wrong."
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Old 10-05-2012, 08:43   #60
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I didn't see the interview, so I'm not exactly sure what Romney is saying he is completely wrong about. If he's saying that it was wrong for him to voice the opinion that a 47 percent group of people, in their entirety, wouldn't vote for him because of their non-taxed status, I can understand the retraction.


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Old 10-05-2012, 08:57   #61
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In an interview Thursday night with Fox News, Romney was asked what he would have said had the "47 percent" comments come up during his debate in Denver on Wednesday night with President Barack Obama.

"Well, clearly in a campaign, with hundreds if not thousands of speeches and question-and-answer sessions, now and then you're going to say something that doesn't come out right," Romney said. "In this case, I said something that's just completely wrong."

He added: "And I absolutely believe, however, that my life has shown that I care about 100 percent and that's been demonstrated throughout my life. And this whole campaign is about the 100 percent."
And failing to understand the real political situation here is why Ronulans lose at politics.

The way the comments were being played out and reported on by a hostile media is that the 47% of Americans who don't pay income taxes all have an entitlement mentality. And while that isn't what Romney was saying, that's what the meme turned into. His individual points were absolutely correct...that the 47% of people who don't pay income tax aren't going to be reached by a low-tax message, and Obama's 47% base is made up of people who believe in government freebies. Obama and his allies in the press purposely conflated the two and left Romney with a big crap sandwich. Either he could defend it, in which case he's explaining and not winning, or he could disarm the talking point (which was largely aimed at low-info voters who accept anything Obama spoon feeds them) and just say "Fine, OK, I got it wrong" and move on.

Conservatives have a tough enough job trying to get our messages through the biased media filters on the things we are absolutely correct on. But wasting cycles refuting a media-created meme is counterproductive. And, of course, it removes that particular talking point from the next three debates.

Although, if you want to get overly pedantic, Romney was actually saying that he was wrong to say he doesn't worry about that 47%...
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And failing to understand the real political situation here is why Ronulans lose at politics.

The way the comments were being played out and reported on by a hostile media is that the 47% of Americans who don't pay income taxes all have an entitlement mentality. And while that isn't what Romney was saying, that's what the meme turned into. His individual points were absolutely correct...that the 47% of people who don't pay income tax aren't going to be reached by a low-tax message, and Obama's 47% base is made up of people who believe in government freebies. Obama and his allies in the press purposely conflated the two and left Romney with a big crap sandwich. Either he could defend it, in which case he's explaining and not winning, or he could disarm the talking point (which was largely aimed at low-info voters who accept anything Obama spoon feeds them) and just say "Fine, OK, I got it wrong" and move on.

Conservatives have a tough enough job trying to get our messages through the biased media filters on the things we are absolutely correct on. But wasting cycles refuting a media-created meme is counterproductive. And, of course, it removes that particular talking point from the next three debates.

Although, if you want to get overly pedantic, Romney was actually saying that he was wrong to say he doesn't worry about that 47%...
Thank you for that detailed clarification...


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