[Geko45]

Originally Posted by Glock36shooter

Agreed. Not being a scientist I find his input most helpful.

In the interests of full disclosure, I am not a "scientist" in any professoinal sense. Just an interested amateur that does his best to keep abreast of where research is headed in the fields of cosmology and particle physics.

[Green_Manelishi]

Originally Posted by Geko45

I was a believer for most of my adult life and studied the bible at a christian university. Ok, for completeness sake, it's a religion of a carpenter, some herders, some fishermen, at least one aristocrat and some nobility too. Better?

Better? How so?

Originally Posted by Geko45

What was your point? Did you think this wasn't common knowledge?

For "common knowledge" it's amazing the number of people who seem to believe it's a religion of goat herders. I suspect it's an attempt at boosting their self esteem they are more intellectually able to reject such beliefs.

Originally Posted by Geko45

You seem to relish this idea. Not very christian of you.

You seem to be happy to end up in that destination. Not very bright of you. Besides, I am only repeating the truth you have rejected. Not even Christ minced words. Perhaps that's what impelled you to reject the truth; you did not like it.

[Glock36shooter]

Originally Posted by Green_Manelishi

Now you are being intellectually dishonest. Your previous input reveals the utter lack of respect you have for any of the adherents to the "goat herder religion". You are also proving your complete ignorance; Christ was not a goat herder.

No, you don't get to pull the offended card. We can pick apart your mythology all we like. You don't get to be offended about that by extension. If you don't like someone questioning and pointing out the blatant contradictions and holes in your mythology I would suggest not entering into a place where you might find such things. Your book is open for interpretation. If someone interprets in a way you don't like... tough luck.

Isn't the mud from where you sprang "just because"? At least I had the breath of spirit and life breathed into me. Regardless, we shall both return to dust. I will be living large and you will be weeping and gnashing your teeth.

We are not made from clay. We actually know this. Don't agree? Put a lump of clay in a pool along side a person and watch the magic happen.

[Glock36shooter]

Originally Posted by Geko45

You seem to relish this idea. Not very christian of you.

Lots of religious people do. There is a darkness in their hearts and they enjoy the idea that those who disagree with them will suffer eternal torment. They'd rather die than admit it. But it makes them feel superior and somehow brings them a sense of Justice. Justice that an otherwise good person is going to suffer for all time for simply not believing their mythology.

Just look at the westboro baptist folks. You can see the glee in their eyes as they scream and yell their mythology of peace and love at people.

[Glock36shooter]

Originally Posted by Geko45

In the interests of full disclosure, I am not a "scientist" in any professoinal sense. Just an interested amateur that does his best to keep abreast of where research is headed in the fields of cosmology and particle physics.

But you grasp these concepts better than most and explain them in terms that are easily accessible to even Mythologists. That's much appreciated. Sometimes I find myself able to understand concepts but explain them poorly.

[Green_Manelishi]

Originally Posted by Glock36shooter

No, you don't get to pull the offended card. We can pick apart your mythology all we like.

Me offended? "You" have been attempting to pick it apart for many years. "You" try new tools, new theories, etc. yet each is an epic fail.

Originally Posted by Glock36shooter

You don't get to be offended about that by extension. If you don't like someone questioning and pointing out the blatant contradictions and holes in your mythology I would suggest not entering into a place where you might find such things. Your book is open for interpretation. If someone interprets in a way you don't like... tough luck.

Offended?

The only hole is in your logic. What puzzles me is why a raging atheist would enter a RI room. Is it because you are not secure in your beliefs?

So are "your" theories open to examination and found to be lacking in anything other than the latest non-existent article of clothing for the emperor.

Originally Posted by Glock36shooter

We are not made from clay. We actually know this. Don't agree? Put a lump of clay in a pool along side a person and watch the magic happen.

Oh that's right; we are "star stuff or some such twaddle according to Carl Sagan.

[MadMonkey]

GM, how do you believe the universe was formed, and how long did it take?

[Green_Manelishi]

Originally Posted by MadMonkey

GM, how do you believe the universe was formed, and how long did it take?

I am confident (> .95) my position is clear. Perhaps you have not been paying attention.

[Animal Mother]

Originally Posted by Green_Manelishi

Me offended? "You" have been attempting to pick it apart for many years. "You" try new tools, new theories, etc. yet each is an epic fail.

The classic "is not" defense. Impressive as always.

The only hole is in your logic. What puzzles me is why a raging atheist would enter a RI room. Is it because you are not secure in your beliefs?

If only that had been explained somewhere, repeatedly. Like on this very forum.

So are "your" theories open to examination and found to be lacking in anything other than the latest non-existent article of clothing for the emperor.

If this were true, you'd be able to point out the errors, rather than defending on an inane attempt to insult Dr. Dawkins and the storied "is not".

Oh that's right; we are "star stuff or some such twaddle according to Carl Sagan.

What are stars composed of? What are humans composed of?

[Animal Mother]

Originally Posted by Green_Manelishi

I am confident (> .95) my position is clear. Perhaps you have not been paying attention.

How can it be clear when the goalposts are constantly moving?

[MadMonkey]

Originally Posted by Green_Manelishi

I am confident (> .95) my position is clear. Perhaps you have not been paying attention.

I just asked a simple question. It wouldn't take many words to answer it. Do you think the Bible's description of Creation is to be taken exactly as written?

[Phaze5ive]

Can't we all agree that religion has always been correcting itself to science, while science has never corrected itself due to religion and just all be friends?

[Green_Manelishi]

Originally Posted by Phaze5ive

Can't we all agree that religion has always been correcting itself to science, while science has never corrected itself due to religion and just all be friends?

We can all agree that science has been always correcting itself yet still has not found the answer. Rather than ask "how does it all work" they seek "How did it all come to be because we know there is no God".

[ArtificialGrape]

[ArtificialGrape]

Originally Posted by Green_Manelishi

We can all agree that science has been always correcting itself yet still has not found the answer. Rather than ask "how does it all work" they seek "How did it all come to be because we know there is no God".

How would you suggest that scientists could attempt to validate the assertion that "God did it"? How can it be tested? How can it be falsified? What predictions can be made based on it?

Even religious men and women in the honest pursuit of science must put aside "God did it" because teaches us nothing and cannot be confirmed or disproved by science.

-ArtificialGrape

[Glock36shooter]

Originally Posted by Green_Manelishi

We can all agree that science has been always correcting itself yet still has not found the answer. Rather than ask "how does it all work" they seek "How did it all come to be because we know there is no God".

Do you use medicine and medical technology? If so you're a hypocrite. The Science that you seem to love to be willfully ignorant of makes your world possible. Including the computer you blast it on.

[Green_Manelishi]

Originally Posted by Glock36shooter

Do you use medicine and medical technology? If so you're a hypocrite. The Science that you seem to love to be willfully ignorant of makes your world possible. Including the computer you blast it on.

I wondered how much time would pass before some daft gauk made that asinine comment. I could just as easily tell you to stop using the brain God gave to you. Then I realize, you don't !

[Glock36shooter]

Originally Posted by Green_Manelishi

I wondered how much time would pass before some daft gauk made that asinine comment. I could just as easily tell you to stop using the brain God gave to you. Then I realize, you don't !

It's ok... Hypocrite. Keep on bashing science but relying on it for your very LIFE every single day. Must suck to need something you despise in order to continue living.

[ksg0245]

Originally Posted by Green_Manelishi

I wondered how much time would pass before some daft gauk made that asinine comment. I could just as easily tell you to stop using the brain God gave to you. Then I realize, you don't !

There is evidence science works; some of that evidence is medicine, some of it is the computer you use, and so on. Where is the evidence any deity exists to have given humans a brain, and where is the evidence it could only have been your particular deity?

[Green_Manelishi]

Originally Posted by Glock36shooter

It's ok... Hypocrite. Keep on bashing science but relying on it for your very LIFE every single day. Must suck to need something you despise in order to continue living.

I don't "bash science" you silly git. I bash "scientific" theories which can neither be proven or falsified except with an equally unprovable and unfalsifiable "scientific" or mathematical formula.

Your "science" is a religion, nothing more or less. You too have your heretics (questioning your dogma) which will be excommunicated if they dare question the holy writ according to Darwin, Dawkins and Hitchens.

Branes, multiverses, strings, quantum singularities. A never ending parade of imaginations and theories. Meanwhile the Word of the Lord continues on forever, unchanging and reliable.

[Glock36shooter]

Originally Posted by Green_Manelishi

I don't "bash science" you silly git.

Especially the part you depend on for your life and comfort. Those parts are all true. They're ok... but the rest... the rest is just craziness huh? Hypocrite.

I bash "scientific" theories which can neither be proven or falsified except with an equally unprovable and unfalsifiable "scientific" or mathematical formula.

Your "science" is a religion, nothing more or less. You too have your heretics (questioning your dogma) which will be excommunicated if they dare question the holy writ according to Darwin, Dawkins and Hitchens.

Branes, multiverses, strings, quantum singularities. A never ending parade of imaginations and theories. Meanwhile the Word of the Lord continues on forever, unchanging and reliable.

It's ok Hypocrite. I think you'll find most scientists are fine with you taking advantage of their advances while at the same time expelling garbage from your face hole about their current findings. As long as you don't get in their way I'm sure they don't care. Again, another difference between science and your mythology. You don't have to accept it in order to be a hypocrite and enjoy its fruits.

[Glock36shooter]

Originally Posted by ksg0245

Where is the evidence any deity exists

Jesus invented the internet.

[Geko45]

Originally Posted by Green_Manelishi

I could just as easily tell you to stop using the brain God gave to you. Then I realize, you don't !

I thought you were the one who objected to using branes?

[Animal Mother]

Originally Posted by Green_Manelishi

I don't "bash science" you silly git. I bash "scientific" theories which can neither be proven or falsified except with an equally unprovable and unfalsifiable "scientific" or mathematical formula.

Your "science" is a religion, nothing more or less. You too have your heretics (questioning your dogma) which will be excommunicated if they dare question the holy writ according to Darwin, Dawkins and Hitchens.

Branes, multiverses, strings, quantum singularities. A never ending parade of imaginations and theories. Meanwhile the Word of the Lord continues on forever, unchanging and reliable.

Slavery is still A-OK then? What about executing women for not being a virgin on their wedding night or not sufficiently protesting their rape? Those are part of the unchanging and reliable word of the Lord aren't they?

[Kingarthurhk]

Originally Posted by Glock36shooter

It's ok... Hypocrite. Keep on bashing science but relying on it for your very LIFE every single day. Must suck to need something you despise in order to continue living.

Did you know that doctor's used to prescribe smoking for lun ailements? They were supposed to the unquestioned authorities of their day. We now know how absurd that was. Yet, you assume everything is correct now?