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Old 09-12-2012, 15:04   #41
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Why would anyone go with a hollow point at 900 FPS? It is well known that 9mm bullets need to be going over 1100 FPS to expand well.
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Old 09-13-2012, 08:22   #42
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Why would anyone go with a hollow point at 900 FPS? It is well known that 9mm bullets need to be going over 1100 FPS to expand well.
Not the 147gr. They are designed to expand at lower velocities which is the #1 reason I am going with them. With the short barrel I am giving up a lot of velocity so I like the 147 that is designed to expand at lower velocity, down to 800FPS in some rounds.
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Old 09-13-2012, 08:49   #43
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Read my earlier post, Mas has said that Indianapolis police are doing just fine with their 147 gr HST's.
Last I heard IPD was using .40 S&W in the 155 gr. Federal Tactical Bonded flavor.

That was before the consolidation with the Sheriffs Dept so there may be some 9mm's in there now.

The Indiana State Police (ISP) does carry G17's but I don't know what ammo they carry.

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Old 09-13-2012, 12:30   #44
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Why would anyone go with a hollow point at 900 FPS? It is well known that 9mm bullets need to be going over 1100 FPS to expand well.
Winchester (and many other ammo makers, for sure) disagrees with you.

http://winchesterle.com/SiteCollecti...20Protocol.pdf

The are many offerings listed in the PDF that fall well short of the 1100 fps minimum you claim necessary for reliable expansion. Check it out.
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Old 09-14-2012, 13:02   #45
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Last I heard IPD was using .40 S&W in the 155 gr. Federal Tactical Bonded flavor.

That was before the consolidation with the Sheriffs Dept so there may be some 9mm's in there now.

The Indiana State Police (ISP) does carry G17's but I don't know what ammo they carry.

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Thanks. You may be right. I re-read what Mas told me and he mentioned San Diego and Portland as having success with the 147gr HST. He said that all of the departments that he knows of using HST are using 147's.
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Old 09-14-2012, 13:10   #46
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Subsonic rounds for use in a suppressed gun.

I had 1,000 of the stuff and it does a fine job. No issues.

When I was on the job we used 147gr subsonic Hydrashocks.

Now that I am no loger on the job, I still tend to use slow heavy bullets. (Especially wih a suppressor )

It is not 'junk' in my opinion.
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Old 09-14-2012, 18:17   #47
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Get some Hornady CD.. Next question.
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Old 09-14-2012, 19:59   #48
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Get some Hornady CD.. Next question.
Critical Defense would be the LAST ammo I would ever use.
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I had a box of CD for my PPK.
Shot a couple of rounds to test functioning and at least 1 every 2 rounds needed a second hit to go off. Sent the rest of the box back to Hornady (they were having QC issues with their CD ammo) but heard nothing back......
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