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Old 09-13-2012, 11:29   #21
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some people can declare, with certainty, that there's no God.
I claim that YOUR God doesn't exist because I know you sacred text to be faulty and man made. I can't say for sure if there is a more complex being out there than us. There isn't any proof one way or the other. I don't need to understand the entire universe or be able to answer all of man's burning questions to know that your particular man made God is just an archaic pipe dream.

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And if there is a God, he must really be screwed up.
If it is your God yes... because we're screwed up and he made us in his image.

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Do you really think you've got it all figured out?
Enough to shoot down your miserable mythology.
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:35   #22
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I'll even spit in his mouth for ya. If I met such a being I'd have a few bones to pick with them about how poorly they designed everything.
I believe the exact quote from satan was: Skin for Skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.
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Old 09-13-2012, 11:46   #23
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I believe the exact quote from satan was: Skin for Skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.
Hmmm... a quote from a being that was invented by men. Interesting. Here is another "Up, Up, and Away" (Superman).
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:21   #24
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What amazes me is that compared to all that's knowable in this universe, mankind's total knowledge is less than one drop of water in all the world's oceans.

Yet with that extremely limited knowledge, some people can declare, with certainty, that there's no God.

And if there is a God, he must really be screwed up.

Do you really think you've got it all figured out?
The atheists world is indeed a small and limited one.
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:28   #25
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The thing is, Arrow, that scientists can't explain what happened in the 'Before Time/Space.' Nor can they explain why quantum mechanics exposes so much absurdity at the building block level of the universe.
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What amazes me is that compared to all that's knowable in this universe, mankind's total knowledge is less than one drop of water in all the world's oceans.


The Ekpyrotic Universe: Colliding Branes and the Origin of the Hot Big Bang - Justin Khoury (Princeton), Burt A. Ovrut (Univ of Pennsylvania), Paul J. Steinhardt (Princeton), Neil Turok (Cambridge)

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We propose a cosmological scenario in which the hot big bang universe is produced by the collision of a brane in the bulk space with a bounding orbifold plane, beginning from an otherwise cold, vacuous, static universe. The model addresses the cosmological horizon, flatness and monopole problems and generates a nearly scale-invariant spectrum of density perturbations without invoking superluminal expansion (inflation). The scenario relies, instead, on physical phenomena that arise naturally in theories based on extra dimensions and branes. As an example, we present our scenario predominantly within the context of heterotic M-theory. A prediction that distinguishes this scenario from standard inflationary cosmology is a strongly blue gravitational wave spectrum, which has consequences for microwave background polarization experiments and gravitational wave detectors.
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Old 09-13-2012, 12:32   #26
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I only need one reason. It sounds like BS. That's it.
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Old 09-13-2012, 13:46   #27
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But it seems they are close to understanding how particles can simply just appear from nothing. That "Nothing" is some how unstable and will always give rise to "Something"... I know it sounds crazy.
I do not know. You have this man made document saying something inccredible happened, that neither he can explain fully nor you can wrap your mind around fully, but we are supposed to take it on faith that given enough time we will understand the full truth of this amazing claim that something can come from nothing? A little ironic perhaps.
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I do not know. You have this man made document saying something inccredible happened, that neither he can explain fully nor you can wrap your mind around fully, but we are supposed to take it on faith that given enough time we will understand the full truth of this amazing claim that something can come from nothing? A little ironic perhaps.
Not on faith, on math. A theory of elementary particle physics is not written in english, it is is written in mathematics. We try to come up with a set of analogies to try to describe the math in ways we can understand (strings, branes, waves, etc), but this is not the actual theory. This is referred to as an interpretation. Interpretations can be flawed and inconsistent and strange and that's ok because their only purpose is to help us conceptualize the math, but the math has to work out correctly every time (actual results match predicted results) in order for the theory to be considered valid and in this case they do.
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Old 09-13-2012, 14:07   #29
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I do not know. You have this man made document saying something inccredible happened, that neither he can explain fully nor you can wrap your mind around fully, but we are supposed to take it on faith that given enough time we will understand the full truth of this amazing claim that something can come from nothing? A little ironic perhaps.
It isn't perfect. But it's supported by tons more research and brilliant minds than what went into the construction of your book. So no... not really ironic.
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Old 09-13-2012, 14:12   #30
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I grew up in a Fundamental Baptist home and church, I am now in my mid 30s with a wife and 3 kids. i want nothing to do with Fundamental Baptists and I truly struggle with some of those 10 questions. I will say I do not think it was well written but i understand where he is coming from.
The problem I see on both sides of this debate is anger, intolerance and even hate.
In this forum alone the discussion turns downward right away.
Hope I don't break any forum rules for you Glock!9, but take a long read at www.stufffundieslike.com

Many, many folks have been where you have been...Myself included. PM me if you like.
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It isn't perfect. But it's supported by tons more research and brilliant minds than what went into the construction of your book. So no... not really ironic.
Okie dokie.
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I do not know. You have this man made document saying something inccredible happened, that neither he can explain fully nor you can wrap your mind around fully, but we are supposed to take it on faith that given enough time we will understand the full truth of this amazing claim that something can come from nothing? A little ironic perhaps.
I'm sensing sarcasm here, but not sure which way you were going with it?
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Old 09-13-2012, 17:04   #33
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I grew up in a Fundamental Baptist home and church, I am now in my mid 30s with a wife and 3 kids. i want nothing to do with Fundamental Baptists and I truly struggle with some of those 10 questions. I will say I do not think it was well written but i understand where he is coming from.
The problem I see on both sides of this debate is anger, intolerance and even hate.
In this forum alone the discussion turns downward right away.
Me too. I was 41 before I was able to break the brainwashing.
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I am a Christian. I appreciate these ideas. You are not going to talk me out of believing in God, and I am not going to talk you into it, but I am curious (as in I am not trying to stump you) as to your view on the where the "stuff" of the universe came from, and how life started. I am a theistic evolutionist and believe God used directed evolution after He created the stuff of the universe and life. Also, what about information theory...how does information i.e. the data encoded in DNA evolve? Again, I am just interested in your solution to these problems. I respect you regardless of your views.
We will never know all about creation there is to know. If time is infinite, no matter how far back we go, there will always be something before.
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What amazes me is that compared to all that's knowable in this universe, mankind's total knowledge is less than one drop of water in all the world's oceans.

Yet with that extremely limited knowledge, some people can declare, with certainty, that there's no God.

And if there is a God, he must really be screwed up.

Do you really think you've got it all figured out?
If you've been paying attention (you haven't), you'd remember the countless times that atheists have admitted to not having it all figured out. But, we continue to figure out more and more as time progresses, and occasionally have to modify what we believe due to new evidence being uncovered.
YOU, on the other hand, think you've got it all figured out (god did it), and intentionally bury your head in the sand (or some other dark place) and refuse to look at anything else, lest your precious little fairy tale be torn to shreds.
We seek the truth, whatever it may be. You hide from it.
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Summed up: he hates God.
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Summed up: he hates God.
Riiiiiiight. I also hate the Easter Bunny, Santa, Odin, The FSM, leprechauns, aliens, chupacabra, and the plethora of other mythical beings. [/sarcasm off]. Intentional or not, you are a laugh a minute, thanks for the entertainment. Now, put your special helmet on and go outside to play.
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Riiiiiiight. I also hate the Easter Bunny, Santa, Odin, The FSM, leprechauns, aliens, chupacabra, and the plethora of other mythical beings. [/sarcasm off]. Intentional or not, you are a laugh a minute, thanks for the entertainment. Now, put your special helmet on and go outside to play.
I can understand why you hate God, but I wonder how much a nutter you must be to hate the Easter Bunny, Santa and the others. To which "special helmet" are you referring? Unlike myself, who you seem to believe is "a laugh a minute" you are not even remotely clever or humorous.
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Riiiiiiight. I also hate the Easter Bunny, Santa, Odin, The FSM, leprechauns, aliens, chupacabra, and the plethora of other mythical beings. [/sarcasm off]. Intentional or not, you are a laugh a minute, thanks for the entertainment. Now, put your special helmet on and go outside to play.
Real effing nice, pal. Odin slays the Frost Giants for you and you hate him.


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Real effing nice, pal. Odin slays the Frost Giants for you and you hate him.


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