[TheGlockTalker]

Just wanted to follow up.
I have now shot 1850 rounds from this gun, have owned it for week + 2 days, and it's still spitting brass all over the place for whatever reason.

Fired Magtech and PMC today and got a lot of brass all over me.
In my chest, on the top of my head, and a generally weak ejection.

Don't know what's going on but every time I shoot my G21 Gen 3 right next to the Gen 4 with the same brass it does none of those things. Not even a hint of it.

I suppose I have to call Glock about this or try an aftermarket extractor and/or ejector.

[Beretta92guy]

Originally Posted by TheGlockTalker

Just wanted to follow up.
I have now shot 1850 rounds from this gun, have owned it for week + 2 days, and it's still spitting brass all over the place for whatever reason.

Fired Magtech and PMC today and got a lot of brass all over me.
In my chest, on the top of my head, and a generally weak ejection.

Don't know what's going on but every time I shoot my G21 Gen 3 right next to the Gen 4 with the same brass it does none of those things. Not even a hint of it.

I suppose I have to call Glock about this or try an aftermarket extractor and/or ejector.

the only person i would be calling is my local gun shop to see how much of a trade in on a XD, Sig or Smith they would give me for that POS.....

as others have said, the pundits and kool aid drinkers will blame the ammo, your grip, stance, humidity or even the time of day you were shooting....but NOT the gun......

well, it IS THE GUN, and if i were you i would not waste one more DIME on ammo, parts, shipping......

Glock has screwed up, and while they are still busy putting out defective products, i would be buying other brands of guns....

trade in on an XDm like i did.....Great gun, tons of features and ZERO brass to the face....LIKE IT SHOULD BE

[Beretta92guy]

Originally Posted by Socks tear

26 years of shooting Glocks of all 4 generations, owned over 30 of them. Never had any issues, not even with the 4 Gen 4's we have.

In 50 years of shooting I have probably shot every pistol ever made. Have shot every Glock, and probably 50 different 1911 design pistols.


Beretta? sold it. XM? junk, sold it. S&W? no thanks, done that too.

Now that H&K 45 looks fine but overpriced, and the FNH guns are very fine

Good Lord, there is so much BS in that post, i don't even know where to start!!!!

XDM is JUNK!!!...you are full of it!!!

[diamondd2]

Originally Posted by TheGlockTalker

Just wanted to follow up.
I have now shot 1850 rounds from this gun, have owned it for week + 2 days, and it's still spitting brass all over the place for whatever reason.

Fired Magtech and PMC today and got a lot of brass all over me.
In my chest, on the top of my head, and a generally weak ejection.

Don't know what's going on but every time I shoot my G21 Gen 3 right next to the Gen 4 with the same brass it does none of those things. Not even a hint of it.

I suppose I have to call Glock about this or try an aftermarket extractor and/or ejector.

What # is on you extractor? I have the #3 stamped on my poorly ejecting G21 Gen4.

[TheGlockTalker]

Originally Posted by diamondd2

What # is on you extractor? I have the #3 stamped on my poorly ejecting G21 Gen4.

I have 8196-2.

[diamondd2]

Originally Posted by TheGlockTalker

I have 8196-2.

That is your ejector. I am looking to see what # is stamped on your extractor.

[TheGlockTalker]

Originally Posted by diamondd2

That is your ejector. I am looking to see what # is stamped on your extractor.

Sorry, screwed up. I saw the word extractor and later in your sentence saw something about "ejecting" and read that as ejector.

Yes, my extractor has a tiny number "3" on it as well.

I wonder if this means something.

Thanks

[diamondd2]

Originally Posted by TheGlockTalker

Sorry, screwed up. I saw the word extractor and later in your sentence saw something about "ejecting" and read that as ejector.

Yes, my extractor has a tiny number "3" on it as well.

I wonder if this means something.

Thanks

It might. I have a new extractor with # 2 on it to try out.

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[TheGlockTalker]

Originally Posted by diamondd2

It might. I have a new extractor with # 2 on it to try out.
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Please post after your test.
Where did you get the No. 2?

[diamondd2]

Originally Posted by TheGlockTalker

Please post after your test.
Where did you get the No. 2?

Ordered from glockparts.com. I did not specify casting #, but that's what showed up. You could probably call and specify # 2, 6 etc.

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[TheGlockTalker]

Originally Posted by diamondd2

Ordered from glockparts.com. I did not specify casting #, but that's what showed up. You could probably call and specify # 2, 6 etc.Outdoor Hub mobile, the outdoor information engine

Please post something once you've had a chance to try it.
Would love to solve this problem asap.

[diamondd2]

Originally Posted by TheGlockTalker

Please post something once you've had a chance to try it.
Would love to solve this problem asap.

Going out tommorow morning. I will let you know. I will post here and in the G21 Gen4 thread I started.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1436412

[TheGlockTalker]

Originally Posted by diamondd2

Going out tommorow morning. I will let you know. I will post here and in the G21 Gen4 thread I started.
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1436412

Much appreciated.
I'll be watching this closely.

[diamondd2]

Originally Posted by TheGlockTalker

Much appreciated.
I'll be watching this closely.

Ok. So I took my 250rds of 230gr FMJ (890fps) American Eagle, my G21 G4 with the new ejector installed, and a new extractor in a bag with me to the range. Long story short results--not good. Almost all right hand weak ejection. Out of 150rds fired, 3 BTF, and 1 left ejection, 1 right shoulder.

Right away I could tell the new ejector did not make a difference. I switched to the new #2 extractor within the first 2 mags. It did seem to make a slight difference, the right hand weak ejections were getting slightly more distance. So I switched back to my original ejector/trigger housing, but this made no difference in ejection. Total fired =150rds.

Over all the ejection was better this time out than last, but I believe this to be ammo related. The last time out I used Blazer CCI and Argulia, which are both rated for less than 850fps. The AE I used today is rated for 890fps (which is closer to SD ammo velocity). I am up to 500rds now through my G21 with no failures, just weak/erratic ejection.

Next step. I am going to polish top and bottom of extractor and file down the shoulder and see how that runs. I am also going to buy a new RSA for it. Im thinking the RSA maybe the problem, it does seem a little hevy when I rack the slide. I did experience this problem with the new updated RSA's for the G19 G4's. I got the 2 new RSA from Glock, 1 for my g4 19, and 1 for my wifes g4 19. When I installed the new RSA's in th G19's there was a very noticeable difference in the resistence when racking the slides side by side. The 19 with the harder to rack slide did exhibit weak ejection patterns while the lighter sprung 19 did not. Replaced the harder RSA with a new one that felt like the other 19's and the weak ejection pattern dissapeared. So, yes, it is possible the G4 RSA's are coming from the factory with different lb rating (most likely a QC issue).

On another note, Is there anyone here from NJ that goes to Cherry Ridge range and owns a good ejecting G21 Gen4? I would like to compare side by side, maybe swap uppers to see if the problem is in the upper or the frame of the pistol.

[TheGlockTalker]

Gosh dang it!!!!!!!!

Glock typically has excessively strong recoil spring so maybe getting something not so tight might help.
It would make the slide move faster. More recoil but who cares, would be better than the hos brass shower we have to live with.

Although I'm not noticing much of a difference between racking my Gen 3 and Gen 4 G21's but it would still be an interesting experiment.
Going to see if Wolf has a spring for the g4 21.

I'm also going to call Glock at some point and see what they have to say.
Hopefully they have something documented.

Thanks for your experiment and report.

Too bad it didn't help.

[diamondd2]

Originally Posted by TheGlockTalker

Gosh dang it!!!!!!!!

Glock typically has excessively strong recoil spring so maybe getting something not so tight might help.
It would make the slide move faster. More recoil but who cares, would be better than the hos brass shower we have to live with.

Although I'm not noticing much of a difference between racking my Gen 3 and Gen 4 G21's but it would still be an interesting experiment.
Going to see if Wolf has a spring for the g4 21.

I'm also going to call Glock at some point and see what they have to say.
Hopefully they have something documented.

Thanks for your experiment and report.

Too bad it didn't help.

I had a G21SF that I sold for the Gen4 G21. I distinctly remember the slide was much easier to rack.

[TheGlockTalker]

Originally Posted by diamondd2

I had a G21SF that I sold for the Gen4 G21. I distinctly remember the slide was much easier to rack.

I'm sure you're right. I need to put the original spring back in and see how it feels.
Will do that soon.

Thanks

[TheExplorer]

Originally Posted by diamondd2

Ok. So I took my 250rds of 230gr FMJ (890fps) American Eagle, my G21 G4 with the new ejector installed, and a new extractor in a bag with me to the range. Long story short results--not good. Almost all right hand weak ejection. Out of 150rds fired, 3 BTF, and 1 left ejection, 1 right shoulder.

Right away I could tell the new ejector did not make a difference. I switched to the new #2 extractor within the first 2 mags. It did seem to make a slight difference, the right hand weak ejections were getting slightly more distance. So I switched back to my original ejector/trigger housing, but this made no difference in ejection. Total fired =150rds.

Over all the ejection was better this time out than last, but I believe this to be ammo related. The last time out I used Blazer CCI and Argulia, which are both rated for less than 850fps. The AE I used today is rated for 890fps (which is closer to SD ammo velocity). I am up to 500rds now through my G21 with no failures, just weak/erratic ejection.

Next step. I am going to polish top and bottom of extractor and file down the shoulder and see how that runs. I am also going to buy a new RSA for it. Im thinking the RSA maybe the problem, it does seem a little hevy when I rack the slide. I did experience this problem with the new updated RSA's for the G19 G4's. I got the 2 new RSA from Glock, 1 for my g4 19, and 1 for my wifes g4 19. When I installed the new RSA's in th G19's there was a very noticeable difference in the resistence when racking the slides side by side. The 19 with the harder to rack slide did exhibit weak ejection patterns while the lighter sprung 19 did not. Replaced the harder RSA with a new one that felt like the other 19's and the weak ejection pattern dissapeared. So, yes, it is possible the G4 RSA's are coming from the factory with different lb rating (most likely a QC issue).

On another note, Is there anyone here from NJ that goes to Cherry Ridge range and owns a good ejecting G21 Gen4? I would like to compare side by side, maybe swap uppers to see if the problem is in the upper or the frame of the pistol.

Ugh. Well so much for that. Thanks for the testing.

[TheGlockTalker]

I called Glock and they told me they had not heard of any extraction issues with the Gen 4 21.
Told me they would be happy to have a look at it to see if there's anything they can do.
That's where we left it.
I absolutely hate to but suppose I may as well go ahead and send it to them.
Don't see any other way to get this resolved.

[Glock2336]

Originally Posted by TRX450R_Racer

Gen4 G21 just under 500 rounds

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Wow! That's worse than my Gen 4 G19

[Morris]

I called Glock and they told me they had not heard of any extraction issues with the Gen 4 21.

Bull. Smyrna reads these boards and have heard from owners. They know. Sort of like the -1 trigger bar issue.

[TheGlockTalker]

Just wanted to let everyone know (especially the "it's never the Glock's fault, always your grip" crowd) that I talked to Glock - who have now had my gun for about three weeks.
THEY acknowledged that this weapon had major ejection problems and said they are going to send me a new weapon.
I asked when they would send it and they said they're waiting for new production and it'll be shipped immediately after that.

[TattooedGlock]

There were several threads on this. I have a Gen 4 21 and had the same issue. Put in a different ejector (the one designed for the 40/357) and have had no more issues. Runs like a champ. FYI, the release won't be until somewhere between the end of next Jan and March of 2013.

[TheGlockTalker]

What release are you talking about?

[TattooedGlock]

The release of the next batch of Gen 4 pistols