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Old 07-25-2012, 22:43   #61
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Wow, What a very mature person he can stick his tongue out very good you were raised so well god bless you!
Im sure that who ever raised you is so mighty proud of you now especially when you learned to stick your tongue out at people, God bless you and god bless who ever raised you!


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Ok, let's break this down shall we. Since you want to go there.

BB stocks a number of 9mm +P+ loads.
9mm +P+ PENETRATOR 124gr. FMJ-FN @ 1,300 fps -$1.26 per round
9mm Luger (+P+) 124 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point @ 1,300 fps - $1.26 per round
9mm Luger (+P+) 115 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point @ 1,400 fps $1.26 per round
BUFFALO-BARNES 9MM +P+ LEAD FREE - 115 gr. TAC-XP @ 1,400 fps - $1.70 per round
9mm Luger (+P+) 147 gr. Jacketed Hollow Point @1,175 fps - $1.26 per round

So we've got two 124gr loads at a claimed 1300fps. Two 115gr at a claimed 1400fps. And a 147gr at a claimed 1175fps.

Wonderful.

Now BuffaloBore doesn't carry much in 357 SIG, so I'll use DoubleTap as my example. Lets start with those 124/125gr loads shall we.

357 Sig 125gr. Bonded Defense JHP @ 1450 fps - $1.12 per round
357 Sig 125gr. JHP @ 1450 fps - $1.12 per round
357 Sig 147gr. JHP @ 1250 fps - $1.12 per round
357 Sig 115gr. Nosler JHP @ 1550 fps - $1/09 per round
357Sig 115gr. Barnes TAC-XP @ 1450 fps - $1.44 per round
357Sig 80gr. Barnes TAC-XP @ 1725 fps - $1.44 per round
357 Sig 180gr. WFNGC Hardcast @ 1025 fps - $1.12 per round

So, two 125gr loads @ 1450fps, one 115gr @ 1550fps, one 115gr @ 1450 fps. One 147gr @ 1250 fps. Even a 180gr load @ 1025 fps, and a ultralight 80gr @ 1725 fps.

No matter how you want to argue it, 357 SIG starts off already ahead of the hottest 9mm +P+ and then does nothing but gain velocity.

357 Sig 125gr Bonded JHP @ 1450 fps - $0.57 per round (Underwood Ammo)

Not to mention reloading your own using published data. Which from what I have on hand will put a 90 grain bullet out at 1715fps from a four inch barrel. A 125gr bullet at 1435 fps, and 147 gr at 1275fps.

Can you find my any published load data for 9mm +P+? No, you can't. 9mm +P is published, and that will get you just shy of 1250fps with a 124gr load. Just shy of 1300 fps with 115gr, and just shy of 1200fps with 147gr.

If you want to go with unpublished data, from JoeSchmuckatelly on the internet. That you can work up to, then you can push that same 124/125gr bullet over 1500fps with the 357 SIG, or 147gr at over 1300fps. Even push those light 90gr bullets above and beyond 1800fps.

What the hell does this have to do with anything?

Maybe 9mm +P+ is for mall ninja's who want to attempt to duplicate ballistics of the 357 SIG in their 9mm sissy pistols? Sorry bub, you can't even get close.

I will give you this though, you tried.
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Old 07-25-2012, 22:51   #62
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Wow, What a very mature person he can stick his tongue out very good you were raised so well god bless you!
Im sure that who ever raised you is so mighty proud of you now especially when you learned to stick your tongue out at people, God bless you and god bless who ever raised you!
Did I just get called immature on the internet?! Woe is me.

Not going to bother with trying to argue your point anymore? Rather just attack my maturity because I poke a little fun at you over the internet?

You tried to say it's only a 9mm +P+ in a wider case. But once I bring something to the table to refute your statement, you tuck tail and act like I'm just being immature.

Care to prove your point? Or would you rather type out another petty insult and add nothing constructive?


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Old 07-26-2012, 10:01   #63
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I think pck50 has small-bullet syndrome.

Go 357sig!

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Old 07-26-2012, 11:40   #64
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After all the bickering.

A hot 9mm shoots like a hot 9mm, and NOT like a .357 SIG that has the 'pressure
curve' that produces the split second recoil at the muzzle and such dynamic stopping power.

IF a person wants to take the extra time to search for 9mm+P+ and use it,
then I wish them all the luck- but it will NEVER be a .357 SIG.

You don't even have the same recoil out of a .38 SUPER, or at least in my experience.
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Old 07-26-2012, 16:27   #65
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Old 07-26-2012, 21:11   #66
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You have some real nice guns there.

The the 357 Compact is a real soft shooter and very accurate as well.

The SHIELD's new and improved trigger didn't impress me much.

I'd like to shoot a M&P357 FS with the small grip insert one of
these days. I think they come stock with the med. insert?

Can I ask what practice and carry loads- and holster(s)??
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Old 07-26-2012, 23:30   #67
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Looking at offerings from the same manufacturer, one will usually find velocity differences of ~+125fps to ~+200fps in the standard 357 sig vs. 9mm +p+ when comparing 125gr loads.

I love the sig! I think this cartridge has potential if it can gain a little more popularity. I personnally would like to see more loadings that are not watered down, more variation in bullet weights, and newer bullet constructions that favor the higher velocity loadings.

Doubletap is doing what I would like to see from more manufacturers. Hot loadings with bullet weights from 80gr to 180gr. (I am aware that some have seen slower speeds than labeled with DT).

Has anyone shot the 180gr. hardcast round? Chronographed it?
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Old 07-27-2012, 04:42   #68
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I've always had a chuckle at those who will use +P and +P+ for an extra 100 fps but look down their nose at the 357 SiG because it's "only 100 fps more than the hot 9mm cartridges."

just because bullets are designed to follow the FBI Protocol, penetrate a certain distance and open to a certain size, they are not all the same...

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Old 07-27-2012, 06:50   #69
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I love the sig! I think this cartridge has potential if it can gain a little more popularity. I personnally would like to see more loadings that are not watered down, more variation in bullet weights, and newer bullet constructions that favor the higher velocity loadings.
Go to Speer Gold Dot vs. Double Tap, scroll about halfway down and you will find loads that meet most of your requests including weights at:
60gr
64gr
80gr
85gr
90g
91gr
100gr
102gr
104gr
115gr
124gr
125gr
135gr
140gr
147gr
150gr
180gr

oh...and....
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Old 07-27-2012, 21:54   #70
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Very cool list! I will definitely need to use your list as a internet buying guide!
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Old 07-28-2012, 14:35   #71
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I've shot the new DT 180 hard cast load but no chrony.
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It's a little smokey and recoils like a smaller framed 10mm, if that helps at all.

Nothing to write home or worry about.
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More info;
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/cat...roducts_id=563
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Old 07-29-2012, 14:09   #72
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Old 07-29-2012, 16:00   #73
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Very cool, sounds like you LA guys love .357 SIG as much as Texans.
What loads and holsters if I may asK?

Any plans for a Gen 4 357?
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Old 08-05-2012, 19:37   #74
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My favorite along with the 10mm. The 357 SIG gives the best of all worlds. Tremendous knockdown power and punch through capability in a very accurate, flat shooting bullet. Compact cartridge and weight, reasonable recoil and a striking report and muzzle blast! I was surprised to read here the recoil was less than a 9mm. I'm not sure it's less but it is much faster or snappier and seems to end before the muzzle flips too much. Needless to say it's my EDC in a G32. Before this I carried a SIG P229 in 357SIG. The P229 is a fabulous handgun, but not so great for CCing.
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Old 08-06-2012, 15:32   #75
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Needless to say it's my EDC in a G32. Before this I carried a SIG P229 in 357SIG. The P229 is a fabulous handgun, but not so great for CCing.
Welcome aboard. Do you still have your P229? I love mine although I don't carry it much... mainly because I have never bought a nice holster for it, I may try a white hat holster for it although this is my new favorite: http://garrettindustries.mybigcommer...hunder-fusion/. Have one for my M&P...may get another for my P229
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Welcome aboard. Do you still have your P229? I love mine although I don't carry it much... mainly because I have never bought a nice holster for it, I may try a [url=http://www.whitehatholsters.com/default.asp]white hat[/url] holster for it although this is my new favorite: [url]http://garrettindustries.mybigcommerce.com/silent-thunder-fusion/[/url]. Have one for my M&P...may get another for mt P229
Thanks for the welcome. No, I sold the P229 and bought a Colt Defender. Still have that one. I love it but only 8 shots. I buy TT gun leather for my carry guns. I have one on order for the Glock. I'm a big fan of the Mike's Special Slim. I love the extra cant and the minimal thickness. Tim is an excellent craftsman.
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Old 10-21-2012, 22:35   #78
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G33 and G29 is the way to go. I have other Glocks but these are my favorites.
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