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Old 06-09-2012, 18:17   #51
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LOL, as for a 50 had it then I got a 500 Mag.
chck out this load, LOL.

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And yes your right becuase the manufacturer recommends not to use it that means the firearm is uncapable of handling it depending on various scenarios there may be a time I may need to use outside ammo supposse i can only get my hands on +p so I should not use it just get killed sorry pal I believe in appropriate interchangeabbility of various different loads with in a caliber if you disagree again its in eaches different opinion you may not need it others may need it, other way have q very nice day.





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so, because the manufacturer recommends not to use +p or +p+ it discourages you? even when there are plenty of capable standard velocity rounds for range and self defense use? or is it a case of 'if the boom is bigger it must be a better round dude. i want a .50cal desert eagle so i can blow arms off or make holes the size of a dinner plate if someone tries attack me. wait, there are no +p+ .50cal rounds?'

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Old 06-09-2012, 18:18   #52
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Totally Undeniable I totally agree.




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I personally think HK makes the best polymer handguns.
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Old 06-09-2012, 20:31   #53
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I don't have a PPQ Yet but i hear it's trigger is superb. Have you shot or tried a PPQ? Around me in the Upstate there are no PPQ's to try. FN neither...
I have held and dry fired a PPQ. It was nice from what I could tell. I just have a feeling the new FN's are gonna be very popular.
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Old 06-09-2012, 21:09   #54
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I've enjoyed the P-30 a few months now, truly a nice feel , can't recall a FTF or any that goes with. Great shooter, never really noticed the quality till this post. Good post at that.
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Old 06-25-2012, 20:22   #55
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My EDC for ages was a Glock 22. I loved it. Good gun, went bang every time, pretty accurate. Then I got my USP. The G22 lives in my kitchen drawer now.

As mentioned before, it's amazing to watch this gun spit brass, like they're on a invisible string. 1:30-2:30 depending on the ammo, like clockwork...

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There's something so reassuring in the consistency of it. Quality, not excuses.
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Old 07-13-2012, 17:04   #56
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An HK is a BMW. Glock is a Ford. Both are quality, but there is a difference.
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Old 07-14-2012, 10:24   #57
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H&K.........the best $600 dollar pistol $900 can buy!!!
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Old 07-14-2012, 18:49   #58
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H&K.........the best $600 dollar pistol $900 can buy!!!
HK, The best $900+ polymer that runs like a $900+ gun should!

Or, spend $1,200+ on a Kimber that jambs, $550 on a Glock that has issues, ect.

I'll spend the extra money and keep my Sig and HK pistols.

Yes, they are that much better.

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Old 07-14-2012, 18:52   #59
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An HK is a BMW. Glock is a Ford. Both are quality, but there is a difference.
Agree. HK = BMW: Pricy, refined, good all around.

Glock = Ford: Mostly reliable, Affordable, sinking quality, has issues that don't exist according to the manufacture but everyone knows about, ect.

Yes, I agree with you!
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Post this in General Glocking and watch all the fan boys claim the H&K is over priced junk while their Gen 4 9mm, that Glock still can't seem to get right, is perfect.

I own 2 H&Ks and they, especially my 45c, are the best polymer guns I have.
Yup!

Those who have never owned a HK just don't get it and won't admit it!

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I think HK's are the best right now.

I have a feeling, after shooting Dave Sevigny's pistol a couple weeks ago, that FN will soon give them a run for the money.

Best striker fired trigger I have ever felt and it was factory. It had been shot about 5k times.
I think your right. FN is the next up mover and shaker in the polymer world to HK. If Glock would get their act together, they too could give HK a good run.

(As for Glock, that's very unlikely to happen though. )
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H&K.........the best $600 dollar pistol $900 can buy!!!
And Glock is the best $87 pistol $499 can buy. Bill
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Old 07-15-2012, 18:00   #63
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All I ever think about regarding H&K pistols is the torture test comparison that guy did where the Glock just wouldnt quit and the H&K wouldnt even fire the chambered rounds when put in sand and dirt.

I cant even count the times I have heard about sand sensitivity issues. Doesnt sound like the best to me.
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Old 07-15-2012, 20:05   #64
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And Glock is the best $87 pistol $499 can buy. Bill
Touché.
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Old 07-15-2012, 23:51   #65
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All I ever think about regarding H&K pistols is the torture test comparison that guy did where the Glock just wouldnt quit and the H&K wouldnt even fire the chambered rounds when put in sand and dirt.

I cant even count the times I have heard about sand sensitivity issues. Doesnt sound like the best to me.
God knows that all those Government agencies, foreign militaries, countless law enforcement agencies and private owners are all wrong. I guess I should sell all my junk sub standard HK's and Go back to those high quality superior Glocks.



Until I see it with my own eyes, I'm not taking anyone's word for anything. I had a USP 45 compact get stomped into the mud by a loaded 18 wheeler and it still fired fine. It was full of mud, grit, water, you name it.

I didn't even have to wash it off with Koolaid to make it work again.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1374614
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Old 07-16-2012, 12:18   #67
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God knows that all those Government agencies, foreign militaries, countless law enforcement agencies and private owners are all wrong. I guess I should sell all my junk sub standard HK's and Go back to those high quality superior Glocks.



Until I see it with my own eyes, I'm not taking anyone's word for anything. I had a USP 45 compact get stomped into the mud by a loaded 18 wheeler and it still fired fine. It was full of mud, grit, water, you name it.

I didn't even have to wash it off with Koolaid to make it work again.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1374614

plus most who say blanket statement's like this do not own a HK nor ever have! You have to own a HK to understand. I've had them since~1995. For a TDA HK is my only choice.

Decided if i buy a Striker fired gun it will not be a Glock especially a gen4 or recent gen3 i would go with the Walther PPQ without ever seing one.
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God knows that all those Government agencies, foreign militaries, countless law enforcement agencies and private owners are all wrong. I guess I should sell all my junk sub standard HK's and Go back to those high quality superior Glocks.



Until I see it with my own eyes, I'm not taking anyone's word for anything. I had a USP 45 compact get stomped into the mud by a loaded 18 wheeler and it still fired fine. It was full of mud, grit, water, you name it.

I didn't even have to wash it off with Koolaid to make it work again.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1374614
I'm not saying that they are junk by any means. I just have never heard or seen anything that supports them being the BEST.

Read your thread, thats a hell of a story!
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:43   #69
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The LE recommendation for replacing recoil springs on a Glock or SIG Sauer pistol is every 3,000 rounds with other springs at 10,000. Per HK factory personnel no parts, including recoil spring, need replaced on a HK pistol for 25,000+ rounds. That tells you something right there. Do some research into the HK manufacturing philosophy: Done the old school German way with extreme engineering and even more quality control every step of the way that is not often found today. HK personnel have extensive pride in the manufacture of their products and even plan positions in advance for the sons and daughters of current employees. Most of all look who their intended customers are: the world's military elite. Hk weapons work on the battlefield for the long haul under demanding conditions with little maintenance. They command their price by reputation and real performance. On the subject of "torture tests", any one with an agenda can set up a test to make one weapon fail and the other one shine.

I own, shoot and admire many of the fine brands out there: Glock, Beretta, S&W, Sig Sauer, Walther, and HK. Not saying any of those mentioned would not do the job or save your life. HK may not be the right pistol for everyone as they might shoot another brand much better. I will say that from a manufacturing and quality standpoint HK builds the best production pistols currently available. Bill

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I always have to chuckle a bit when I hear how "overpriced" HKs (or Sigs) are. Go to the 1911 counter at your gun shop and take a look at prices. I'll take an HK or Sig over any 1911 all day long.
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Old 07-17-2012, 16:14   #71
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HK45c Storm's thru Best Ranger Competition!!

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Old 07-17-2012, 18:27   #72
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And Glock is the best $87 pistol $499 can buy. Bill
well in that case......h&k...the best $150 pistol $900 can buy. H&K's are over priced junk.the only idiots that defend them are the ones who try and justify spending $900 on plastic!!!!
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Old 07-18-2012, 07:30   #73
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I'm at best a casual (yet very capable) shooter and have a P2000 in 9mm for self defense. All I can add is when you fire it you know what you paid for. I've fired a 9mm Beretta FS, a Beretta 950 in .25cal, and a gennie WWII .45 1911. Out of those the 1911 was a "hot rod" gun but very capable in my hand, the 25 was fun, practical, and more accurate than I expected, and the FS would jam if I didn't hold it with a death grip (poor condition firearm). The P2000 was a Bentley more than a BMW as far as I'm concerned. For the record it cost $120 more than the Glock I was looking at. Some of you seem very "in to" your firearms and I can understand it, I simply haven't had the luxury or time to become an absolute maven. 2 very accomplished gun folks I know well bought the same thing, one after simply holding it. I'm satisfied, have ZERO regrets, and could easily get away with much less for our purposes.
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Old 07-18-2012, 08:11   #74
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Are Hks really superior? No, but they are in the minds of folks who succumbed to the hype. Marketing..... Would you pay 900 for a glock because their employees are german and are paid more? I nearly fell out of my chair laughing when I read some of the ops reasoning....

Harley Davidson set a new standard with their
marketing, and HK is following suit, albeit with a better product than HD. With a Harley, you could spend a third as much for something that rode better, braked better, accelerated better, performed in every way better, as well as last much longer. Harleys became a status symbol, and lost the purpose of the item they were selling for a number of years, and nearly went away, until they made some serious changes. BUT, they had a VERY devout following. HK has a very good product, and uses a similar marketing strategy that is working. The folks who buy them, have bought the hype, and 'feel' or 'think' they are superior, when they may not be. I have had Hks over the years, and have seen the hype grow. Fortunately, HK has not gone the way HD did, and stick with designs that were flawed, ala heat issues, etc.... An Hk is a great pistol, but superior? They are not worse, by any means, but superior is a bit more personal opinions, not necessarily reality.

The marketing hype has worked, you can see the devout followers defending their purchases......


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I'm sure there's folks who think diecast 9mms are superior because they shoot a bullet and can be had for less than $200. You buy furniture that's built out of pressboard that looks like hardwood. Is it equal? To some, the difference in cost is worth it. The final decision for me was that my Mrs could operate it easier and more efficiently than anything else she had in her hand. The status symbol issue is only as real as one allows it to be. There was an auto manufacturer that built cars uner the name "Packard" who's slogan was simply "Ask the man who owns one". A superior product in it's time and a slogan that said it all. I know that old product intimately and would place the H&K right there with it. And yes, there was indeed a difference in a Packard vs anything else available at the time. I've been through their best products from the inside out over the last 30yrs. There's a reason you could buy several Fords for the price of one Packard. It didn't matter to everyone, it does to me. Status has nothing to do with it.
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