[Gunnut 45/454]

Well I'll be the first non LEO to reflect on my comments made over in Carry issue on this case. As reported originally it was looking like an over step on the SWAT team. As we all know sometimes we don't get the full picture. I had been following this and it had fell off the radar over in Carry Issues. When I saw this post I had to read it and get the rest of the story so to say! I there fore retract any comments that I may have made that seem to be Anti-LEO on this case. Please except my appology if I have offended any of you. Sure sounds like this young man wasn't as lilly white as portraited in the first articles! Thanks for the info!

[Patchman]

Is the wife still denying her husband's involvement like her life is depending on it? Oh, snap,... wait... it may very well be.

I still look forward to the day I read that "the competition" stopped by for a visit to the wife, the brother and the father.

Of course, there'll be those who'll blame LE for siccing "the competition" on this innocent family. Yeah, like "the competition" can't figure out for themselves who's who in the game.

[Dragoon44]

Oh look an "ex cop" "expert". he did good when he stuck with his area of expertise saying when someone comes around a corner with a gun and lifts it their toast. But then he stepped outside of the area of his expertise and tried to pass judgment on the probable cause saying he isn't sure they had any.

Someone should send him a note and tell him not to fret someone who is paid to make that decision already did ( the judge who signed off on the warrant).

[4949shooter]

Originally Posted by Dragoon44

Oh look an "ex cop" "expert". he did good when he stuck with his area of expertise saying when someone comes around a corner with a gun and lifts it their toast. But then he stepped outside of the area of his expertise and tried to pass judgment on the probable cause saying he isn't sure they had any.

Someone should send him a note and tell him not to fret someone who is paid to make that decision already did ( the judge who signed off on the warrant).

I thought the same. A Superior Court judge signs off on the warrant, and the (self?) appointed expert says the deputies didn't have enough probable cause.

I wonder if he even read the full affidavit?

[Patchman]

I had a similar thought.

The "ex-cop," after reading the search warrant application, formed an opinion. When after I too read the search warrant application that was posted, I too had an opinion. So what does his opinion, or my opinion, have anything to do with the price of chicken parts sold in your supermarket on Tuesdays?

(Hint: absolutely nada).

The LEOs submitted a search warrant application to the judge. I don't know the judge from a hole in the wall. The judge may be a complete newbie (unlikely), or has 20+ years experience examining search warrant applications.

In any case, the judge approved the search warrant.

[Vigilant]

Remember: The correct spelling is 'probably', not 'probable'.

Rookies.

[Sam Spade]

Originally Posted by Patchman

The LEOs submitted a search warrant application to the judge. I don't know the judge from a hole in the wall. The judge may be a complete newbie (unlikely), or has 20+ years experience examining search warrant applications.

In any case, the judge approved the search warrant.

I do. Know her from a hole in the wall, that is.

She been on the bench almost 20 years and is a professor at the University of Arizona College of Law. I've gotten warrants from her, and she's no rubber stamp.

[Patchman]

Then 'nuff said about the legal basis of the search warrant.

[Mayhem like Me]

Originally Posted by Patchman

Then 'nuff said about the legal basis of the search warrant.

well maybe if you use your head for more than resting your hat it's enough..
But for others that like to wring hands and sensationalize real life.. nothing is enough...

[Patchman]

You mean some people would rather nurish their biases, fantasies and pet conspiracy theories than face distasteful facts and unadorned realities?

[Morris]

You mean some people would rather nourish their biases, fantasies and pet conspiracy theories than face distasteful facts and unadorned realities?

Like certain places here on GT . . .

[steveksux]

Originally Posted by Dragoon44

So he might not be canonized after all? what a surprise.

Too bad the officers on scene didn't have cannons available, they could have obliged..

Randy