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Old 06-02-2012, 15:00   #26
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Mine weighs less than 8lbs w/o scope. A Rem 700 in 308 weighs just over 7lbs.

DPMS?

splitting hairs again and we are not talking about 700 rems.

i can spilt them too. how much more does the ammo weight?



you add up the gun and spare clips and see if my 300 blackout is not 3-4 pounds less on average. after hunting with a semi auto .308 i can tell you it is...
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Old 06-02-2012, 15:22   #27
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Here is ny .308 I just put together under $500. (have trigger guard on order). It shoots great. The rifle with scope (I changed the scope and stock) was $300.00 out the door at Academy Sports. I think Wallys carries Mossberg also.

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Old 06-02-2012, 18:04   #28
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DPMS?

splitting hairs again and we are not talking about 700 rems.

i can spilt them too. how much more does the ammo weight?



you add up the gun and spare clips and see if my 300 blackout is not 3-4 pounds less on average. after hunting with a semi auto .308 i can tell you it is...
Who the heck uses spare clips in an AR? We are not talking about M1s are we? Those are heavy.

As far as splitting hairs...The OP asked about a dual purpose gun for SD and hunting. I guess I assumed we were talking about standard SD and hunting purposes.

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that has to be one brutally heavy hunting gun.

what you plan on hunting?

why not .300AAC?
So I compared a standard hunting .308 to my AR10. Showing there was not much difference in weight. Maybe you were not talking to either me, the OP, or his question.

How many extra clipsmags/ammo do you carry when you go hunting anyhow? Fully loaded chest rig maybe?
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Old 06-02-2012, 18:17   #29
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an AR10 under 8 pounds? i dont like pencil barrels. but ya, load it up with 50 or so rounds and toss it all on a scale and let me know...




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Old 06-02-2012, 18:22   #30
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How many extra clipsmags/ammo do you carry when you go hunting anyhow? Fully loaded chest rig maybe?

well i did carry 40 rounds 10+10+20 in .308 plus one or two back-ups guns but i plan on carrying 20+20+30 now. i hunt in a very dangerous place.

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Old 06-02-2012, 18:23   #31
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i too would like to know what you plan on hunting? 300blk will make similar power to a 30-30 and lots of people use those for hunting.

that said, you can also look into building one. rainier arms sells cmmg lowers or you can get them from tactical machining among others. they are dpms spec lowers. like any other ar build, the parts to pay attention to are the bolt and barrel. most everything else should be fine as long as its in spec. only problems ive ever heard about dpms rifles were a few with out of spec mag wells and lots of mag related problems, which were supposedly solved by magpul.

i plan on building one in the near future but i will be doing an 80% lower ar15 build first.
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Old 06-02-2012, 19:22   #32
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In my quest to find the right bolt action rifle, I've heard bad things specifically about the low end 700s.
The worst thing that can be said of a low end 700 is that it is not a high end 700, but I would think that that is self-evident. Many folks like low end 700's because the intend to customize them so they don't wish to pay for features they are going to change anyway. As for those who save money by buying a rifle with fewer features, then complain about the lack of features, how much credibility are we going to give them?
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Old 06-02-2012, 19:22   #33
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an AR10 under 8 pounds? i dont like pencil barrels. but ya, load it up with 50 or so rounds and toss it all on a scale and let me know...



No pencil barrel, just a standard AR10 carbine. Go to ArmaLite's site and look it up if you'd like.

I never needed 50 rds when I went hunting. I am a better shot I guess.

I think we will all agree that an AR15 sized weapon is lighter, even more so when you add in a full battle load, but that's not what the OP asked for.

The .300AAC is on my list of wants, along w/ a 6.5G. Both would serve someone well.


M1a: I am not sure the .300 quite equals the 30-30, I'd have to look it up. Maybe 300 ft-lb less+/-. That being said, I'd be fine w/ using it for most things.
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Old 06-02-2012, 19:30   #34
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what range and game is he hunting? in pretty sure a barnes would make a .50 cal Through and through in just about any whitetail your likely to see.


But at 300 yards if you are 10% or so off in range estimation, you miss, or worse, you lose a wounded animal. With a .308 inside of 300, estimating range is superfluous.
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Old 06-03-2012, 01:16   #35
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6.8 spc would meet your need for SD, hunting, & can be setup between 7-8lbs.
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Old 06-03-2012, 04:14   #36
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I am not sure the .300 quite equals the 30-30, I'd have to look it up.

with available factory ammo the .300 blackout far surpasses .30-30.

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Old 06-03-2012, 05:24   #37
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I love my Armalite AR10T, it does sport a Lothar Walther 24" stainless match polygonal rifled barrel. That barrel is a consistent sub MOA shooter. That upper is a chunk though, so I picked up an Armalite 16" upper, which lightened the gun up significantly. Not sure what the weight is on the 16" carbine set up...but I can toss it on the scale later if needed.

As FatBoy stated, not all uppers/lowers are interchangeable...so do your homework if you try and do a build.
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Old 06-03-2012, 06:21   #38
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I love my Armalite AR10T, it does sport a Lothar Walther 24" stainless match polygonal rifled barrel. That barrel is a consistent sub MOA shooter. That upper is a chunk though, so I picked up an Armalite 16" upper, which lightened the gun up significantly. Not sure what the weight is on the 16" carbine set up...but I can toss it on the scale later if needed.

As FatBoy stated, not all uppers/lowers are interchangeable...so do your homework if you try and do a build.
good to hear your success with armalite. the "experts" at m4carbine.net claim the only .308's worth a damn are larue or lmt and another i can't recall atm.
buying an armalite over those, i'll have enough left over to get a 6920
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Old 06-03-2012, 06:44   #39
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I hunt hogs with my DPMS LR308T. I say I hunt hogs because I've yet to kill one, but I can tell you I've hiked A LOT with this gun and it is heavy with a 20 rd mag. Not unbearable, but it is heavy. I've owned this rifle for 5+ years and have had no problems. No experience with other manufacturers, but perfect is hard to beat as far as I'm concerned. They are a lot of fun to shoot.
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Old 06-03-2012, 09:23   #40
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I understand you want a 308 AR for HD and hunting. However, if I may make another suggestion. How about a 5.56 AR15 for HD. Then a seconed upper in something like 243, 458 socom, 50 beowolf, or another suitible caliber depending on what you are hunting. You will spend roughly the same ish, but have a pretty good caliber for both worlds.

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Old 06-03-2012, 09:52   #41
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6.8 spc would meet your need for SD, hunting, & can be setup between 7-8lbs.
I like grendel better, but if 6.8 spc is easier to find and cheaper i'd go that route. Who makes a good one?
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Old 06-03-2012, 10:28   #42
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I understand you want a 308 AR for HD and hunting. However, if I may make another suggestion. How about a 5.56 AR15 for HD. Then a seconed upper in something like 243, 458 socom, 50 beowolf, or another suitible caliber depending on what you are hunting. You will spend roughly the same ish, but have a pretty good caliber for both worlds.
Excellent point.

A 110 gn. softpoint out of my 6.8 upper will easily stone an ETX whitetail. Put on a .22 upper for squirrel season. You can even add a .50 BMG upper for the drogue planes.
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Excellent point.

A 110 gn. softpoint out of my 6.8 upper will easily stone an ETX whitetail. Put on a .22 upper for squirrel season. You can even add a .50 BMG upper for the drogue planes.
a .50 bmg upper on a .308 lower?
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with avaiable factory ammo the .300 blackout far surpasses .30-30.
OK, I am no expert on the 300 BLK, so I will yield to you, since you have one.

That being said, 300accblackout.com list the 125 OTM out of a 16" bbl @ 1380 ft-lbs, while most 30-30s run over 1700 ft-lbs.

Federal lists their 125 HP at 1833 ft-lb. Granted is most likely from a longer test bbl(they don't say).

The 160gr FTX LEVERevolution looks pretty impressive in gel tests. Listed at 2048 ft-lbs in a 24"bbl.

Do you have a link to info on 300blk far surpassing a 30-30? I am interested in this round and I am always looking for new info.
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Old 06-03-2012, 11:20   #45
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Just picked up a 20" AR-10 last week. Wanted one for a while and researched it quite a bit.
Not sure what a LaRue or LMT would get you over the Armalite, besides a lighter wallet.
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Old 06-03-2012, 11:50   #46
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OK, I am no expert on the 300 BLK, so I will yield to you, since you have one.

That being said, 300accblackout.com list the 125 OTM out of a 16" bbl @ 1380 ft-lbs, while most 30-30s run over 1700 ft-lbs.

Federal lists their 125 HP at 1833 ft-lb. Granted is most likely from a longer test bbl(they don't say).

The 160gr FTX LEVERevolution looks pretty impressive in gel tests. Listed at 2048 ft-lbs in a 24"bbl.

Do you have a link to info on 300blk far surpassing a 30-30? I am interested in this round and I am always looking for new info.
never claimed to be an expert. maybe some even see me as an easy target for an internet ego trip.

the problem i see with the 30-30 is most rounds are jacketed lead flatpoints. i agree the energy numbers are close but the 300blk uses better projectiles. i would say they have an advantage.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=64503

not sure the last time i seen a .30-30 round that expanded to .60 cal and penetrated 20".



are we really debating if one would carry a .30-30 or .300blk here or we just trying to prove somebody wrong? i thought we are talking about black rifles.

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a .50 bmg upper on a .308 lower?
ferret50.com does offer that option.

http://www.ferret50.com/ordering.html about halfway down this page on the right. AR10 upper, no additional cost.
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i mentioned that the 300blk would make similar power to a 30-30 based on my experience of a 7.62x39 being similar to a 30-30 and the 300blk designed to filla very similar role.
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Just picked up a 20" AR-10 last week. Wanted one for a while and researched it quite a bit.
Not sure what a LaRue or LMT would get you over the Armalite, besides a lighter wallet.
Nice...
I did a lot of reading/shopping before going with Armalite.
If custom builders like GA Precision, Mike Bykowski and John Noveske are working off of the AR-10 rifle/platform then it's more than good enough for me.
Regarding price...
I spent 2K for the AR10T, two complete uppers (used stainless 24" match & a NIB 16") 15 mags, spare LPK, and 200 rds of FGMM 168gr ammo.

I have no experience with other AR manufacturers building to the .308 specs.
I have had experience with the RRA, Colt, LMT, and Spikes....and none of them let me down. Each had their own characteristics.

Get your hands on as many AR's you can...see which one feels right shouldered...what trigger breaks right for you...LOP...and so on.
Once you get that narrowed down...start looking for your rig. I have friends with AR's and getting them to the range when I'm buying the ammo was easy. This allowed me to shoot a variety of AR's. Glad that was years ago when ammo was somewhat affordable.

Have fun with it... it was more than worth the wait.
Pay's off when you have a #300 snooter walk out on ya, and your pondering if that .223 has enough gas to put pork in the freezer. The 308 leaves a majority of that concern at camp, as we all know where placement stands in the picture.

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a .50 bmg upper on a .308 lower?
We were talking about the benefits of an AR-15 lower. Let the adults talk.
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