9mm vs .40 S&W vs .45 ACP - Page 4

Amplified · 05-01-2012, 12:23

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Originally Posted by WinterWizard

Yep. Just about everything he says is pointless or off the mark. Time to stop feeding the troll.

Where are these mysterious, and delusional videos of .45 ACP penetrating better than 9mm and .40 through phonebooks that you mentioned WinterWhiner

? Are they in La La land, along with .45 ACP 230 grain being an actually decent round?

Amplified · 05-01-2012, 12:29

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Originally Posted by WinterWizard

Terrible arc trajectory? Are you shooting at people 100 yards away? Any caliber is point of aim at defensive ranges. And if you need to shoot at someone far away, you should be using a rifle.

135-155gr in .40 and 165-200 gr. in .45 are the worst for penetration in those calibers. 165 or 180 gr. in .40 and 200 or 230 gr. in .45 give you better sectional density in either caliber, hence better penetration, without over penetrating with JHPs.

But can you please site your sources for your claims? Or are they opinion based and biased because you are a cop and are issued .40 S&W?

A .45 FMJ will penetrate about 30 or more inches in ballistics gel an have been known to penetrate through and through a deer and certainly through a person, as can any major caliber. And ALL hollow point defensive rounds are designed to penetrate about 12-15 inches, per FBI protocol and Police demands. And the heavier rounds are less likely to deflect and go off course once they encounter an obstacle, like glass, metal or bone. And if you need barrier penetration, you need heavy bullets or fast rounds, like the .357 Sig or 10 mm.

But to claim that the .45 is slow and ineffective is ignorant. You can run 230 gr. rounds at 950 fps or 165 gr. rounds at 1225 fps if you are a velocity junkie. Or you can run 185 gr. rounds at 1150 fps. But oh, I forgot - 1200 fps is slow and .451" hollow points that penetrate to about 15 inches and open up to .80" are not effective.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/thebuickotruth.htm

Check out tests 1, 2 and 3.

Windshield, inside-out: Winner .45.
Windshield, outside-in: Winner .45
Car door: Winner all (a car door isn't stopping anything)

Also, look at the FBI testing and average out the penetration numbers and tell me what you find. Most tests show that the penetration numbers on .40 and .45 are nearly identical. The advantage in the .45 is a larger diameter bullet and a heavier bullet that deflects less.

To be honest, I don't know where you get this crap. Maybe go read some stuff and then come back here and speak intelligently. Sorry, there is just no way to candy coat that.

Here you go another one just for you WinterWhiner

! This is too easy!

.38 vs 9mm vs .40 vs .45 and for fun, 10mm at the end Book penetration test, Choose for yourself - YouTube

Amplified · 05-01-2012, 12:36

M&P and WinterWhiner, you two are obviously ballistics novices. I will allow you to continue shooting your subsonic, slingshot, inaccurate, poorly-penetrating rounds, while I enjoy the satisfaction of placing pinpoint accurate shots on target with laser-like precision and superior marksmanship!

WinterWizard · 05-01-2012, 12:48

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Originally Posted by Amplified

M&P and WinterWhiner, you two are obviously ballistics novices. I will allow you to continue shooting your subsonic, slingshot, inaccurate, poorly-penetrating rounds, while I enjoy the satisfaction of placing pinpoint accurate shots on target with laser-like precision and superior marksmanship!

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Amplified · 05-01-2012, 12:58

.38 vs 9mm vs .40 vs .45 and for fun, 10mm at the end Book penetration test, Choose for yourself - YouTube

Larry Tests Book Penetration with 9mm, .40, and .45 - YouTube

Penetration Test 9mm 40s&w 45 ACP - YouTube

9mm & 45 penetration - YouTube

Penetration Test & Cronograph 9mm, 40s&w, 45acp - YouTube

.45 and .40 VS cinder block - YouTube

fredj338 · 05-01-2012, 13:38

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Originally Posted by OctoberRust

Did I hit a nerve Fred?

Oh, not at all. It's just every 9mm shooter has to justify his choice. Most 45acp guys are comfy in theirs.

I live in a 10rd mag state. MyXDTAC is the same size as a G19/23/32, same rd count. So I prefer bigger holes. Any JHP tech that makes the 9mm better also makes the 45 better.

M&P Shooter · 05-01-2012, 13:59

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Originally Posted by Amplified

Aww! Did I hurt your wittle feelings haha! Still doesn't change the fact that the 230 grain .45 ACP round has abysmal hard barrier penetration, and a trajectory similar to a three pointer at a special ed elementary school Basket Ball game!

LOL, your to new on GT to be able to troll me newbie

M&P Shooter · 05-01-2012, 14:06

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Originally Posted by Amplified

M&P and WinterWhiner, you two are obviously ballistics experts. I will allow you to continue shooting your subsonic, accurate, good balance of penetration and expansion rounds, while I enjoy the satisfaction of placing pinpoint accurate shots on target with laser-like precision and superior marksmanship even though they have nothing behind them and usually just zip in and out with little tissue damage because I am Gunkid and approve this post!

OK sounds good to me

tuica · 05-01-2012, 14:09

Wow, what an amusing exchange! How do you all regard the most modern defensive pistol round in common usage today - and actually invented in the 21st century - the 45GAP?

Cheers

M&P Shooter · 05-01-2012, 14:15

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Originally Posted by tuica

Wow, what an amusing exchange! How do you all regard the most modern defensive pistol round in common usage today - and actually invented in the 21st century - the 45GAP?

Cheers

The 45gap IMO is a solution to a problem that never existed. The 230gr 45acp is the handgun round that dominated early trench warfare and sent many German soldiers clutching their 9mm Luger's to their graves.

Amplified · 05-01-2012, 14:16

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Originally Posted by M&P Shooter

OK sounds good to me

I see that my retorts have been too much for your feeble brain to withstand, so you've taken to augmenting my posts and in such a blatantly desperate manner as well.

I am still waiting for WinterWhiner's .45 "Always Can't Penetrate" videos! Stop doing this

and let's see the videos, or is it because they do not exist in this dimension?

Amplified · 05-01-2012, 14:18

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Originally Posted by M&P Shooter

The 45gap IMO is the best round ever made, my boyfriend and I use it for butt-plugs frequently.

Well, that's good for you M&P, I do however think that the .45 GAP is much better than the .45 "Always Can't Penetrate" simply because it's shorter case is a better design for it's lousy ballistics, why have such a long case, when it's not required?

Amplified · 05-01-2012, 14:24

WinterWhiner, where are these videos of yours, with the perforating champion caliber .45 ACP?

I actually feel sick saying such an obviously sarcastic and oxymoronic statement such as .45 ACP and perforate in the same sentence, sigh!

Amplified · 05-01-2012, 14:30

Can an .45 Automatic Colt Pistol aka Always Can't Penetrate, round actually perforate both sides of a microwaved stick of butter, tune in next week to find out on...The World's most slow and antiquated calibers!

Starring your host and armchair commando elite tacticool Paramilitary Ghost Recon sniper M&P Shooter, with his trusty kleenex toting sidekick WinterWhiner!

WinterWizard · 05-01-2012, 14:51

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Tiro Fijo · 05-01-2012, 14:54

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Originally Posted by M&P Shooter

The 45gap IMO is a solution to a problem that never existed. The 230gr 45acp is the handgun round that dominated early trench warfare and sent many German soldiers clutching their 9mm Luger's to their graves.

Amplified · 05-01-2012, 14:57

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LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amplified · 05-01-2012, 14:59

I think that I've sent WinterWhiner "over the edge", haha!

Amplified · 05-01-2012, 15:20

Kegs · 05-01-2012, 15:34

If you want a penetrator, go with hard cast.

Penetration is not everything, and in some cases its exactly what you DON'T want...

Amplified · 05-01-2012, 15:44

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Originally Posted by Kegs

If you want a penetrator, go with hard cast.

Penetration is not everything, and in some cases its exactly what you DON'T want...

Such pearls of wisdom! None of us could have ever known that over-penetration in one's home for example, could cause collateral damage, or that complete pass throughs on the street could in fact wound an innocent bystander! Good job! Thanks for clearing that up!

ptb351 · 05-01-2012, 15:56

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Originally Posted by fredj338

And most 9mm shooters keep telling themselves their 9mm are just as good.

Confidence in ones gear is important so keep up telling yourself it's all good.

I would rather have confidence in my accuracy. I am a much better shot with my P226 9mm than I am with my XDM .40 so I would much rather have the 226 if necessary. I have not shot my Glock 19 yet to see how well I do with that. All of that said, my GP-100 is beside my bed.

It seems this debate will go on forever.

M&P Shooter · 05-01-2012, 16:24

Amplified is obviously trolling everyone on this forum and many are falling for it. I give him 1 week if that before the mods see his intentions on GT and warn him then ban him since trolls can never contain themselves. I would bet my weeks pay he has been here before or even more then once and will be kicked and back again. Don't feed the troll and he will starve and die.

Amplified · 05-01-2012, 16:27

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Originally Posted by M&P Shooter

Amplified is obviously trolling everyone on this forum and many are falling for it. I give him 1 week if that before the mods see his intentions on GT and warn him then ban him since trolls can never contain themselves. I would bet my weeks pay he has been here before or even more then once and will be kicked and back again. Don't feed the troll and he will starve and die.

Tiro Fijo · 05-01-2012, 16:48

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Originally Posted by M&P Shooter

I'm obviously trolling on this forum and many are falling for it. I give myself 1 week if that before the mods see my intentions on GT and warn me then ban me since trolls can never contain themselves. I would bet my weeks pay I have been before or even more then once and will be kicked and back again. Don't feed me (the troll) and I will starve and die.

Fixed it for ya!!