GlockTalk.com
Home Forums Classifieds Blogs Today's Posts Search Social Groups



  
SIGN-UP
Notices

Glock Talk
Welcome To The Glock Talk Forums.
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-01-2012, 12:23   #76
Amplified
Senior Member
 
Amplified's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: NY
Posts: 121
Quote:
Originally Posted by WinterWizard View Post
Yep. Just about everything he says is pointless or off the mark. Time to stop feeding the troll.
Where are these mysterious, and delusional videos of .45 ACP penetrating better than 9mm and .40 through phonebooks that you mentioned WinterWhiner ? Are they in La La land, along with .45 ACP 230 grain being an actually decent round?
Amplified is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 12:29   #77
Amplified
Senior Member
 
Amplified's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: NY
Posts: 121
Quote:
Originally Posted by WinterWizard View Post
Terrible arc trajectory? Are you shooting at people 100 yards away? Any caliber is point of aim at defensive ranges. And if you need to shoot at someone far away, you should be using a rifle.

135-155gr in .40 and 165-200 gr. in .45 are the worst for penetration in those calibers. 165 or 180 gr. in .40 and 200 or 230 gr. in .45 give you better sectional density in either caliber, hence better penetration, without over penetrating with JHPs.

But can you please site your sources for your claims? Or are they opinion based and biased because you are a cop and are issued .40 S&W?

A .45 FMJ will penetrate about 30 or more inches in ballistics gel an have been known to penetrate through and through a deer and certainly through a person, as can any major caliber. And ALL hollow point defensive rounds are designed to penetrate about 12-15 inches, per FBI protocol and Police demands. And the heavier rounds are less likely to deflect and go off course once they encounter an obstacle, like glass, metal or bone. And if you need barrier penetration, you need heavy bullets or fast rounds, like the .357 Sig or 10 mm.

But to claim that the .45 is slow and ineffective is ignorant. You can run 230 gr. rounds at 950 fps or 165 gr. rounds at 1225 fps if you are a velocity junkie. Or you can run 185 gr. rounds at 1150 fps. But oh, I forgot - 1200 fps is slow and .451" hollow points that penetrate to about 15 inches and open up to .80" are not effective.

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/thebuickotruth.htm

Check out tests 1, 2 and 3.

Windshield, inside-out: Winner .45.
Windshield, outside-in: Winner .45
Car door: Winner all (a car door isn't stopping anything)

Also, look at the FBI testing and average out the penetration numbers and tell me what you find. Most tests show that the penetration numbers on .40 and .45 are nearly identical. The advantage in the .45 is a larger diameter bullet and a heavier bullet that deflects less.

To be honest, I don't know where you get this crap. Maybe go read some stuff and then come back here and speak intelligently. Sorry, there is just no way to candy coat that.
Here you go another one just for you WinterWhiner ! This is too easy!


Last edited by Amplified; 05-01-2012 at 12:30..
Amplified is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 12:36   #78
Amplified
Senior Member
 
Amplified's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: NY
Posts: 121
M&P and WinterWhiner, you two are obviously ballistics novices. I will allow you to continue shooting your subsonic, slingshot, inaccurate, poorly-penetrating rounds, while I enjoy the satisfaction of placing pinpoint accurate shots on target with laser-like precision and superior marksmanship!
Amplified is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 12:48   #79
WinterWizard
Senior Member
 
WinterWizard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,297
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amplified View Post
M&P and WinterWhiner, you two are obviously ballistics novices. I will allow you to continue shooting your subsonic, slingshot, inaccurate, poorly-penetrating rounds, while I enjoy the satisfaction of placing pinpoint accurate shots on target with laser-like precision and superior marksmanship!
Caliber Corner

Uploaded with ImageShack.us
WinterWizard is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 13:38   #81
fredj338
Senior Member
 
fredj338's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: so.cal.
Posts: 21,141
Blog Entries: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by OctoberRust View Post
Did I hit a nerve Fred?
Oh, not at all. It's just every 9mm shooter has to justify his choice. Most 45acp guys are comfy in theirs. I live in a 10rd mag state. MyXDTAC is the same size as a G19/23/32, same rd count. So I prefer bigger holes. Any JHP tech that makes the 9mm better also makes the 45 better.
__________________
"Given adequate penetration, a larger diameter bullet will have an edge in wounding effectiveness. It will damage a blood vessel the smaller projectile barely misses. The larger permanent cavity may lead to faster blood loss. Although such an edge clearly exists, its significance cannot be quantified".
fredj338 is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 13:59   #82
M&P Shooter
Metal Member
 
M&P Shooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: PA
Posts: 10,436
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amplified View Post
Aww! Did I hurt your wittle feelings haha! Still doesn't change the fact that the 230 grain .45 ACP round has abysmal hard barrier penetration, and a trajectory similar to a three pointer at a special ed elementary school Basket Ball game!
LOL, your to new on GT to be able to troll me newbie
__________________
I walk through the valley of the shadow of death but it's cool because my Glock 23 is loaded with 180gr HST!

Last edited by M&P Shooter; 05-01-2012 at 14:04..
M&P Shooter is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 14:06   #83
M&P Shooter
Metal Member
 
M&P Shooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: PA
Posts: 10,436
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amplified View Post
M&P and WinterWhiner, you two are obviously ballistics experts. I will allow you to continue shooting your subsonic, accurate, good balance of penetration and expansion rounds, while I enjoy the satisfaction of placing pinpoint accurate shots on target with laser-like precision and superior marksmanship even though they have nothing behind them and usually just zip in and out with little tissue damage because I am Gunkid and approve this post!
OK sounds good to me
__________________
I walk through the valley of the shadow of death but it's cool because my Glock 23 is loaded with 180gr HST!
M&P Shooter is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 14:09   #84
tuica
Senior Member
 
tuica's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Portland,Oregon
Posts: 1,831
Wow, what an amusing exchange! How do you all regard the most modern defensive pistol round in common usage today - and actually invented in the 21st century - the 45GAP?

Cheers
__________________
Tuica: NRA Certified Instructor; Oregon CHL Instructor; GMG2 - US Navy 1976-1980. USS Coral Sea, 1977-1980. Forward Deployed - The Gulf.
tuica is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 14:15   #85
M&P Shooter
Metal Member
 
M&P Shooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: PA
Posts: 10,436
Quote:
Originally Posted by tuica View Post
Wow, what an amusing exchange! How do you all regard the most modern defensive pistol round in common usage today - and actually invented in the 21st century - the 45GAP?

Cheers
The 45gap IMO is a solution to a problem that never existed. The 230gr 45acp is the handgun round that dominated early trench warfare and sent many German soldiers clutching their 9mm Luger's to their graves.
__________________
I walk through the valley of the shadow of death but it's cool because my Glock 23 is loaded with 180gr HST!
M&P Shooter is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 14:16   #86
Amplified
Senior Member
 
Amplified's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: NY
Posts: 121
Quote:
Originally Posted by M&P Shooter View Post
OK sounds good to me
I see that my retorts have been too much for your feeble brain to withstand, so you've taken to augmenting my posts and in such a blatantly desperate manner as well.

I am still waiting for WinterWhiner's .45 "Always Can't Penetrate" videos! Stop doing this and let's see the videos, or is it because they do not exist in this dimension?
Amplified is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 14:18   #87
Amplified
Senior Member
 
Amplified's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: NY
Posts: 121
Quote:
Originally Posted by M&P Shooter View Post
The 45gap IMO is the best round ever made, my boyfriend and I use it for butt-plugs frequently.
Well, that's good for you M&P, I do however think that the .45 GAP is much better than the .45 "Always Can't Penetrate" simply because it's shorter case is a better design for it's lousy ballistics, why have such a long case, when it's not required?
Amplified is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 14:24   #88
Amplified
Senior Member
 
Amplified's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: NY
Posts: 121
WinterWhiner, where are these videos of yours, with the perforating champion caliber .45 ACP? I actually feel sick saying such an obviously sarcastic and oxymoronic statement such as .45 ACP and perforate in the same sentence, sigh!
Amplified is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 14:30   #89
Amplified
Senior Member
 
Amplified's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: NY
Posts: 121
Can an .45 Automatic Colt Pistol aka Always Can't Penetrate, round actually perforate both sides of a microwaved stick of butter, tune in next week to find out on...The World's most slow and antiquated calibers!

Starring your host and armchair commando elite tacticool Paramilitary Ghost Recon sniper M&P Shooter, with his trusty kleenex toting sidekick WinterWhiner!

Last edited by Amplified; 05-01-2012 at 14:31..
Amplified is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 14:51   #90
WinterWizard
Senior Member
 
WinterWizard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,297
Caliber Corner

Uploaded with ImageShack.us
WinterWizard is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 14:54   #91
Tiro Fijo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 5,070
Quote:
Originally Posted by M&P Shooter View Post
The 45gap IMO is a solution to a problem that never existed. The 230gr 45acp is the handgun round that dominated early trench warfare and sent many German soldiers clutching their 9mm Luger's to their graves.


Tiro Fijo is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 14:57   #92
Amplified
Senior Member
 
Amplified's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: NY
Posts: 121
Quote:
Originally Posted by WinterWizard View Post
Caliber Corner

Uploaded with ImageShack.us
LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Amplified is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 14:59   #93
Amplified
Senior Member
 
Amplified's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: NY
Posts: 121
I think that I've sent WinterWhiner "over the edge", haha!
Amplified is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 15:20   #94
Amplified
Senior Member
 
Amplified's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: NY
Posts: 121
Caliber Corner
Amplified is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 15:34   #95
Kegs
Ol 8 fingers ;)
 
Kegs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Cold side of conus
Posts: 2,682
If you want a penetrator, go with hard cast.

Penetration is not everything, and in some cases its exactly what you DON'T want...
__________________
"What's the down side to 10mm again? Oh, that's right, there isn't one."" Carrier21
Kegs is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 15:44   #96
Amplified
Senior Member
 
Amplified's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: NY
Posts: 121
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kegs View Post
If you want a penetrator, go with hard cast.

Penetration is not everything, and in some cases its exactly what you DON'T want...
Such pearls of wisdom! None of us could have ever known that over-penetration in one's home for example, could cause collateral damage, or that complete pass throughs on the street could in fact wound an innocent bystander! Good job! Thanks for clearing that up!

Last edited by Amplified; 05-01-2012 at 15:47..
Amplified is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 15:56   #97
ptb351
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Maine
Posts: 52
Quote:
Originally Posted by fredj338 View Post
And most 9mm shooters keep telling themselves their 9mm are just as good. Confidence in ones gear is important so keep up telling yourself it's all good.
I would rather have confidence in my accuracy. I am a much better shot with my P226 9mm than I am with my XDM .40 so I would much rather have the 226 if necessary. I have not shot my Glock 19 yet to see how well I do with that. All of that said, my GP-100 is beside my bed.

It seems this debate will go on forever.

Last edited by ptb351; 05-01-2012 at 16:21..
ptb351 is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 16:24   #98
M&P Shooter
Metal Member
 
M&P Shooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: PA
Posts: 10,436
Amplified is obviously trolling everyone on this forum and many are falling for it. I give him 1 week if that before the mods see his intentions on GT and warn him then ban him since trolls can never contain themselves. I would bet my weeks pay he has been here before or even more then once and will be kicked and back again. Don't feed the troll and he will starve and die.
__________________
I walk through the valley of the shadow of death but it's cool because my Glock 23 is loaded with 180gr HST!
M&P Shooter is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 16:27   #99
Amplified
Senior Member
 
Amplified's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: NY
Posts: 121
Quote:
Originally Posted by M&P Shooter View Post
Amplified is obviously trolling everyone on this forum and many are falling for it. I give him 1 week if that before the mods see his intentions on GT and warn him then ban him since trolls can never contain themselves. I would bet my weeks pay he has been here before or even more then once and will be kicked and back again. Don't feed the troll and he will starve and die.
Caliber Corner
Amplified is offline  
Old 05-01-2012, 16:48   #100
Tiro Fijo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Posts: 5,070
Quote:
Originally Posted by M&P Shooter View Post
I'm obviously trolling on this forum and many are falling for it. I give myself 1 week if that before the mods see my intentions on GT and warn me then ban me since trolls can never contain themselves. I would bet my weeks pay I have been before or even more then once and will be kicked and back again. Don't feed me (the troll) and I will starve and die.

Fixed it for ya!!


Tiro Fijo is offline  
Closed Thread


Tags
.40 s&w, .45 acp, 9mm
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:57.



Homepage
FAQ
Forums
Calendar
Advertise
Gallery
GT Wiki
GT Blogs
Social Groups
Classifieds


Users Currently Online: 1,161
347 Members
814 Guests

Most users ever online: 2,244
Nov 11, 2013 at 11:42