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View Poll Results: Your choice for the next factory .45Colt loading
200gr @ 1350fps (safe for all modern guns) 29 9.93%
230gr @ 1250fps (safe for all modern guns) 34 11.64%
255gr @ 1150fps (safe for all modern guns) 89 30.48%
300gr @ 1000fps (safe for all modern guns) 45 15.41%
200gr @ 1500fps (Ruger, FA, or T/C only) 9 3.08%
255gr @ 1400fps (Ruger, FA, or T/C only) 36 12.33%
300gr @ 1300fps (Ruger, FA, or T/C only) 33 11.30%
335gr @ 1250fps (Ruger, FA, or T/C only) 17 5.82%
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Old 01-19-2009, 18:14   #101
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Check here for some standard loads: http://www.handloads.org/loaddata/de...=&Type=Handgun
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Old 03-15-2009, 20:21   #102
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I like to carry my Ruger New Vaquero in grizzly country. I'm not sure what would be the most effective load. I'm used to shooting 250 grain now, has a real manageable recoil so I voted for the 255 @ 1400. I figure if I'm being rushed by a grizzly the bullet can't get to him fast enough. I'm not sure what would be considered "adequate" grizzly protection, but that's my best guess, ........if there is such a thing.

It's nice to see so much interest in the .45lc, I was beginining to think I was the only one.
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Old 08-11-2009, 22:13   #103
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I've been using the 250 GDs from Speer in my Smith 625 4". I voted for the 255 gr. That is plenty....
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Old 01-10-2011, 21:41   #104
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as you see I have a Ruger BH so I lean toward the heavy 300gr. load a 4 legged predator stopper...change the cly. and wham you gotta a 45acp.. a great 2 legged predator stopper and also a lesser $$$ practice round
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Old 08-17-2011, 06:16   #105
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255gr. at 900fps-930 fps its the real load that made the 45colt . Powerfull and slow roll for repeat shots. The real favorite that shoots good.
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Old 04-29-2012, 17:39   #106
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I have a Ruger Blackhawk with 45LC and a 45ACP cylinders. I recently purchased some 45LC Georgia Arms 265gr Deer Stoppers going around 1300 fps.

All I can say is that these loads are hotter than any 44 mag that I have fired.

Any of the 45LC rounds that I have fired have no punch. Firing 45ACP in this revolver is like shooting a 9mm.

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Old 04-30-2013, 14:21   #107
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I like to carry my Ruger New Vaquero in grizzly country. I'm not sure what would be the most effective load. I'm used to shooting 250 grain now, has a real manageable recoil so I voted for the 255 @ 1400. I figure if I'm being rushed by a grizzly the bullet can't get to him fast enough. I'm not sure what would be considered "adequate" grizzly protection, but that's my best guess, ........if there is such a thing.

It's nice to see so much interest in the .45lc, I was beginining to think I was the only one.
From what I have read, the New Vaquero (and the old) have frames adequate for cowboy loads. The heavier stuff is intended for the Redhawk, Super Redhawk, and .45LC carbine like my Henry. I suppose one could shoot 45LC from the .454 Casull. Not sure.

I believe the Blackhawk is questionable and deserves some inquiries with those who would know more than just being over cautious to avoid liability. It is probably just a modernized Vaquero with frame not suited for the big stuff. Note that the Blackhawk is not offered in .44 Mag, so let that be a good general guideline of what design will (safely) handle the heavy loads (or not).
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Old 04-30-2013, 15:07   #108
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From what I have read, the New Vaquero (and the old) have frames adequate for cowboy loads. The heavier stuff is intended for the Redhawk, Super Redhawk, and .45LC carbine like my Henry. I suppose one could shoot 45LC from the .454 Casull. Not sure.

I believe the Blackhawk is questionable and deserves some inquiries with those who would know more than just being over cautious to avoid liability. It is probably just a modernized Vaquero with frame not suited for the big stuff. Note that the Blackhawk is not offered in .44 Mag, so let that be a good general guideline of what design will (safely) handle the heavy loads (or not).

I have been shooting the .45 Blackhawk for a over two-decades and reloading for longer and I think there is something that needs to be pointed out. I am a very cautious reloader and not generally a "hot rodder' in fact my .41 and .44 magnum loads are generally well below max, but, in the case of a "hot" load in the .45 Colt Blackhawk there is quite a margin of safety that is easy to understand with a little bit of study.

The issue is pressure. The .44 magnum is a .429 (nominally) bullet and the .45 Colt is a .454 (nominal). the .45 has a larger surface area for the gas to operate against and this lowers pressure.

Take, for example, a pair of fire hoses, a 2" and a 4". If you ask them both to move "X" gallons of water per minute, which hose is going to use more pressure to accomplish the task?

In pistols it is really easy to make a comparison by looking at a 185 gn bullet in a .45 acp and a 180 gn bullet in a .40 S&W. look at their velocities and then look at their pressure levels to reach those velocities. Notice a big difference?

When you look at the .45 loads in question you have to remember that the Blackhawk is far stronger than the original guns the round was spec'ed to protect.

In looking at my common loads I have found that the .45 will push a 250 grain bullet to 1,200 fps with less pressure than a .44 magnum pushing the same weight to the same velocity.

I don't load the .45 to much above that simply because I have no need but I think it is possible. Since I feel a .429 diameter 250 grain has a better sectional density factor than a .45 of that weight I feel the .44 will have better penetration at a useful velocity. If I wanted more performance out of a .45 than a 250/1,100-1,200 FPS provided I would go to a heavier bullet with a greater SD rather than chasing more velocity. But the Blackhawk .45 will tolerate pushing a 250 grain pretty fast and do so safely.
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Old 04-30-2013, 15:37   #109
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I have been shooting the .45 Blackhawk for a over two-decades and reloading for longer and I think there is something that needs to be pointed out. I am a very cautious reloader and not generally a "hot rodder' in fact my .41 and .44 magnum loads are generally well below max, but, in the case of a "hot" load in the .45 Colt Blackhawk there is quite a margin of safety that is easy to understand with a little bit of study.

The issue is pressure. The .44 magnum is a .429 (nominally) bullet and the .45 Colt is a .454 (nominal). the .45 has a larger surface area for the gas to operate against and this lowers pressure.

Take, for example, a pair of fire hoses, a 2" and a 4". If you ask them both to move "X" gallons of water per minute, which hose is going to use more pressure to accomplish the task?

In pistols it is really easy to make a comparison by looking at a 185 gn bullet in a .45 acp and a 180 gn bullet in a .40 S&W. look at their velocities and then look at their pressure levels to reach those velocities. Notice a big difference?

When you look at the .45 loads in question you have to remember that the Blackhawk is far stronger than the original guns the round was spec'ed to protect.

In looking at my common loads I have found that the .45 will push a 250 grain bullet to 1,200 fps with less pressure than a .44 magnum pushing the same weight to the same velocity.

I don't load the .45 to much above that simply because I have no need but I think it is possible. Since I feel a .429 diameter 250 grain has a better sectional density factor than a .45 of that weight I feel the .44 will have better penetration at a useful velocity. If I wanted more performance out of a .45 than a 250/1,100-1,200 FPS provided I would go to a heavier bullet with a greater SD rather than chasing more velocity. But the Blackhawk .45 will tolerate pushing a 250 grain pretty fast and do so safely.
I think of the .45LC bullet as .452 rather than your ".454". The cylinder throats of my Redhawk and Vaquero are .452+-, while that of my Taurus Judge is about .455. The bullet passes easily through the Ruger cylinders, as described in the .45LC accuracy article in the current Handguns magazine.
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Old 04-30-2013, 19:04   #110
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I think of the .45LC bullet as .452 rather than your ".454". The cylinder throats of my Redhawk and Vaquero are .452+-, while that of my Taurus Judge is about .455. The bullet passes easily through the Ruger cylinders, as described in the .45LC accuracy article in the current Handguns magazine.
Hence my use of the word "nominally"
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Old 05-02-2013, 07:28   #111
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Hence my use of the word "nominally"
The nominal (only) diameter of .45 LC bullets, at least those for commercial sale, is .452. There may be variation in all lead, especially home made, but not in multipurpose, jacketed or semi-jacketed rounds (see Hornady). It is the cylinder throats that can range to .455.
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Old 05-02-2013, 10:38   #112
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The nominal (only) diameter of .45 LC bullets, at least those for commercial sale, is .452. There may be variation in all lead, especially home made, but not in multipurpose, jacketed or semi-jacketed rounds (see Hornady). It is the cylinder throats that can range to .455.
True enough. my mold throws large and I size to the particular gun but, nonetheless, as it pertains to topic of the thread, the .5 Colt throws the same weight bullet at the same velocity as the .44 magnum with less pressure.
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Old 12-25-2013, 10:12   #113
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270 grain RCBS SWC @ 1050 fps. from 5.5 " barrel would be a great factory load.
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