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Old 04-13-2012, 12:48   #51
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LWD failure

I went out to the desert to test the tune up work that I had done on some ammo and on a couple of Lone Wolf Barrels. I have them in a Glock 27 and a Glock 30.

I had polished the feeding ramps and the chambers with some Flitz to a high sheen and had adjusted the OAL on 3 different types of ammo for each of the two calibers. The first magazine of the 45ACP almost made it through before there would be a Failure to Feed and after that approximately 30-50% of the rounds would hang up and fail to chamber completely.

The 40S&W ammo did the same thing and I came away steamed at the failure after all the work. I had reduced the OAL on all the test ammo and the chambers and feed ramps were really shining.

Today I ordered two KKM aftermarkets barrels for those Glocks and am anxious to test them out. I really don't think I could sell these LWD barrels to anyone and have a clear conscience about it.

Oh well.......Shoulda done my homework first.
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Old 04-13-2012, 13:28   #52
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Did you chamber check the ammo before firing. Hate to tell you but it may not be the barrel at all.
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Old 04-13-2012, 13:37   #53
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Did you chamber check the ammo before firing. Hate to tell you but it may not be the barrel at all.
^^THIS^^^ I run a LW in my G17, mostly lead bullets. It did require a bit deeper seating than the factory bbl (yes I shot lead in that too), very common w/ LW bbls. You have to adjust the OAL, chamber check to fit, then go shoot. I recently bought a SL 9 & 40 for my G32. Definitely a slightly nicer bbl, but they do cost more.
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Old 04-13-2012, 16:58   #54
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Did you chamber check the ammo before firing. Hate to tell you but it may not be the barrel at all.
Probably not....
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Old 04-13-2012, 21:17   #55
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Much ado about nothing.

From what I've read here and at other sites lack of proper resizing/bullet seating depth/improper crimp has caused just about all the problems associated with LW barrels. Having owned more then a few over the years I'd have to agree. I've never had any trouble with any of mine for any reason.

BTW, when I was buying mine they were made in Korea.
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^^THIS^^^ I run a LW in my G17, mostly lead bullets. It did require a bit deeper seating than the factory bbl (yes I shot lead in that too), very common w/ LW bbls. You have to adjust the OAL, chamber check to fit, then go shoot. I recently bought a SL 9 & 40 for my G32. Definitely a slightly nicer bbl, but they do cost more.
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So you have a Lone Wolf and a Storm Lake? You feel the Storm Lake is nicer as well? I thought they were about the same price? Very few people seem to have owned both. Are the chambers similarly tight?
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So you have a Lone Wolf and a Storm Lake? You feel the Storm Lake is nicer as well? I thought they were about the same price? Very few people seem to have owned both. Are the chambers similarly tight?

I've had both 2 SL and 1 LW a shooting friend has a few LW's.
They seem to have equally tight chambers never checked the throats or had problems with em.
I like the SL they seem to fit better, at least the two I had, and they don't have the silly lookin cartoon character on em.
I actually had to take a thou or so off the end of the barrel hood on the SL for the G22 it was so tight. But it locks up solid with no movement, much tighter then the factory barrel. That could possibly be because all the Glocks I've owned were older I dont know?
This G22 is 12-13 years old, and the only Glock I have now.
Anyway it feeds TC, RFN and HP "all cast" without any problems.

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Old 04-14-2012, 18:01   #58
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Interesting thread. Would have scared me off from buying a LW barrel for my gen 3, G19, but I've been very pleased with mine. Only one FTF ever with mine. It was on round #3 with Federal FMJ actually. About 1500 cast lead bullets have gone through it now with zero issues.
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Old 04-15-2012, 17:35   #59
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With the LW barrels, or any barrel making the bullets fit the barrel by shaving them down, does this raise the case pressure?

I don't know anything about lead bullets and seating depth, and just thought that seating the bullets deep in the case, and the barrel shaving them down would develop higher case pressure.

Sorry for the dumb question.

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Barrels don't shave down bullets, (at least not on purpose). A lead bullet is normal sized a thousandth over bore diameter so it can obturate into the lands and reduce blow-by.


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So the over sized lead bullet uses that advantage to capture the gases to help propel it? Is that right?
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There ya go. Blow-by is virtually impossible to eliminate, (watch super slow motion film of any gun being fired and you will see gases escaping ahead of the bullet), but reducing it as much as possible increases propellent efficiency.

Since lead bullets are very size dependent the thousandth over bore reduces the likelihood of leading also.


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Barrels don't shave down bullets, (at least not on purpose). A lead bullet is normal sized a thousandth over bore diameter so it can obturate into the lands and reduce blow-by.


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It's not that is shaves them, it's that it swages them just like a sizer. Lee recommends using the largest diameter bullet that will still chamber in loaded round since it will just swage down as it enters the bore. It saves a lot of trouble, since bullets don't have to be just right, they just have to be big enough.
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Old 04-15-2012, 19:07   #64
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It's not that is shaves them, it's that it swages them just like a sizer. Lee recommends using the largest diameter bullet that will still chamber in loaded round since it will just swage down as it enters the bore. It saves a lot of trouble, since bullets don't have to be just right, they just have to be big enough.
Well, what happens too all the shaved lead? Does it build up, and fall into the trigger area?

Sorry for all the stupid questions, I'm still trying to see how all this works.

Over sized lead bullet, enters throat, and is shaved down to fit barrel.

I'm diggin it, because I have 2k of lead bullets for my 44 mag.

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Well, what happens too all the shaved lead? Does it build up, and fall into the trigger area?

Sorry for all the stupid questions, I'm still trying to see how all this works.

Over sized lead bullet, enters throat, and is shaved down to fit barrel.

I'm diggin it, because I have 2k of lead bullets for my 44 mag.

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The bullet material isn't cut off by some type of sharp edge, the diameter of the bullet is squeezed down smaller as it passes through the tapered forcing cone/throat area. It's just like the sizer used to size bullet. You take a 0.361" diameter bullet and force it through a 0.358" sizer die, the bullet comes out 0.358", but there isn't any lead cut off piling up around the die. It's like a Palydough Fun Factory.
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Just like when you use a FCD.



Yep. I said it.
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Old 04-15-2012, 22:06   #67
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If you really wanted to do a PSA on Lone Wolf Barrels it should be about the real problem with their barrels.
I'm not concerned with cosmetics, I'm concerned with their chambers and the poor workmanship associated with them.
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I do get a kick out of blaming the barrel and using "internet history" to support it. Just because you have Wi-Fi doesn't mean crap other then you get to complain publicly. Just because your crap doesn't work doesn't mean it's the barrels fault. I would guess that the vast majority of reported problems with LW have nothing to do with the barrel.
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I do get a kick out of blaming the barrel and using "internet history" to support it. Just because you have Wi-Fi doesn't mean crap other then you get to complain publicly. Just because your crap doesn't work doesn't mean it's the barrels fault. I would guess that the vast majority of reported problems with LW have nothing to do with the barrel.
I agree with you Steve.... some just don't realize the limitations and think any bullet reloaded can feed into it.
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I wouldn't be so quick to knock LW customer service. They have been great with me. I have bought 3 lw barrels all for my glock 40 cals. no issue. But again I don't shoot lead bullets. Mostly copper plated and jacketed.
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I do know the throats are shorter with the LW barrels. But if I adjust the OAL then I have no problems with lead (or jacketed) bullets. In fact, I run a Beartooth hardcast 265 grain WFNGC in my G21sf with a 6", 4-port LW barrel and have never had a problem.
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I do know the throats are shorter with the LW barrels. But if I adjust the OAL then I have no problems with lead (or jacketed) bullets. In fact, I run a Beartooth hardcast 265 grain WFNGC in my G21sf with a 6", 4-port LW barrel and have never had a problem.
Shorter then factory or shorter then Storm Lake/KKM.
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Shorter then factory or shorter then Storm Lake/KKM.
Sorry. Shorter than factory. I have no experience with the Storm Lake barrels.
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Pretty much all the aftermarket barrels have a shorter throat.
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First of all this thread is NOT a PSA. If it was, freakshow would identify his business relationship with LWD by name, thereby establishing accuracy & creditability. I sincerely believe this thread is a direct attack from some disgruntled consumer. The truth of the matter, 99% of barrel issues are self induced.

FYI: Bullet profile and OAL will directly affect the performance of any barrel. LWD barrels are not conducive to use with SWC bullets. Auto pistols will always feed best when using a FMJ or similar profile.

LWD barrels feature chambers that are short (taper) throated. This feature is proven to provide better accuracy. Yes, this feature may create an issue with your pet reload HOWEVER it is YOUR LOAD that is causing the issue. LWD GUARANTEES our barrels to function flawless when using FACTORY ammunition. Try employing a little rocket science before responding to this statement. Think about it.... the barrel accepts factory loads (ie: Remington, Winchester, Federal) but not your load or your local re-manufactures load. This is telling you the issue is with your load. I don't care if your load fits all your other guns and your brothers guns, the issue is with your load.
LWD will rechamber your barrel to fit your loads for $30. If this charge offends you, please tell me where on earth you can get a gunsmith to ream a chamber for cheaper? Yes, LWD formerly rechambered barrels for free however we soon realized the vast majority of rechamber requests were coming from loaders who were to lazy to change their load to fit the match grade chamber. Most barrel (chamber) issues are resolved by simply adjusting the load.
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