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Old 04-15-2012, 20:40   #21
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What really burns me is the gun stores that push them. these guys just care about their wallets and instead of helping new comers invest in something better they push crap that gives more kickback. I could name at least 3 stores around me that love to sear everyone to the great deal on a Taurus.
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Old 04-15-2012, 21:19   #22
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Knock on Jennings, Davis and Hi-Points all you want, but not everybody in America can cough out several hundred dollars for a handgun.
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Old 04-15-2012, 22:07   #23
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I don't mean to misconstrue the issue... I'm just saying as rule, "When people are shown a better way, they tend to do better." Buying inferior anything (food, car, weapons, etc.) will usually come to bite you in the heighny later on down the line...
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Old 04-15-2012, 22:12   #24
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I wouldn't put KelTec or Taurus in that company. Never are top notch, but better than those other three.

I actualy want a KelTec PMR 30.
Yeah, I want a P-32 (just because) and I wouldn't kick a Taurus 85, 445 or .22 revolver out out of the safe if the price or opportunity (an older 445) was right.
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Old 04-15-2012, 23:53   #25
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I handled a Kel-Tec KSG (shotgun) the other day. I want one.
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Old 04-16-2012, 00:19   #26
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Knock on Jennings, Davis and Hi-Points all you want, but not everybody in America can cough out several hundred dollars for a handgun.
I agree and yes i can dig it!
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Old 04-16-2012, 02:51   #27
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Having had both a PT1911 and a Kimber, I found my PT far more reliable. I can't say the PT was more accurate, though, as I was never able to get more than 3 or 4 rounds per magazine through the Kimber without a malfunction. But the PT is accurate enough. But the Kimber was prettier. I will give it that.
I had both Kimbers and the PT1911. Both were the biggest piece of jam-o-matics that I ever owned. Maybe I got the only bad ones of the batches when I purchased. The Kimbers were the more accurate guns.

I since sold them for Sig and HK pistols and I'm very glad for having done so.
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Old 04-16-2012, 04:25   #28
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I traded my PT1911 for a Glock 27, I regret doing so. The gunshop won't take it back in trade, the 3 guys who fired the 27 to see if they liked it before buying it all said no thank you. I traded the Kimber on a S&W Model 27. My only regret there is the money I lost.

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Old 04-16-2012, 04:36   #29
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I wouldn't put KelTec or Taurus in that company. Never are top notch, but better than those other three.

I actualy want a KelTec PMR 30.
I would say the same. I have 2 Kel Tecs and while Taurus may not be the greatest, they are hardly a Saturday night special.
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Old 04-16-2012, 06:46   #30
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The only Hi Point I ever shot was a .380, and it ran like a top and was actually pretty fun to shoot.
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Old 04-16-2012, 06:49   #31
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Knock on Jennings, Davis and Hi-Points all you want, but not everybody in America can cough out several hundred dollars for a handgun.

Exactly. I think Charter is in that group, too.

A grandmaw can buy a Hi Point for relatively cheap, stash it in her nightstand, and I promise you that it will kill someone just as dead as a Korth will is she needs it to in a defense situation.
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Old 04-16-2012, 07:13   #32
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Old 04-16-2012, 08:39   #33
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Some brands listed are not what I would call cheep.

Whatever you buy you should be shooting the hell out of it to develop the confidence IN what you bought, be it high or low end. Lemons exist in both high and low end guns however it is more prevalent in low end.
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Old 04-16-2012, 10:10   #34
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Three high point carbines and three pistols 9, 40 and 45 all ran great and accurate!
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Old 04-16-2012, 10:17   #35
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I wouldn't put KelTec or Taurus in that company. Never are top notch, but better than those other three.

I actualy want a KelTec PMR 30.
I definitely agree with this. Put KT and Taurus mid-tier if you like, but to call them bottom of the heap is incorrect IMO.
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Old 04-16-2012, 12:10   #36
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The only Hi Point I ever shot was a .380, and it ran like a top and was actually pretty fun to shoot.
I think I shot the same one. About as big as my 19, and a real ugly duck. It ran fine and the owner said he never had a problem with it. He said his dad bought it for him for $99 or something like that. It was definitely an eye sore in his collection of nice guns.
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Old 04-16-2012, 14:36   #37
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I bought a dog of a gun a while back. But I knew it was and I had a reason. It's an RG32 .22 cal revolver. Paid $40 for it. Bought it to shoot Super Colibri's thru it. Fun back yard/ garage plinker but would never rely on it for self defense.

If you want to purchase for self defense, go high quality. How much is your life worth?
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Old 04-16-2012, 14:52   #38
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I definitely agree with this. Put KT and Taurus mid-tier if you like, but to call them bottom of the heap is incorrect IMO.
agreed. Also, Ive never owned a hipoint and probably won't, but I have a new respect for them after some youtube videos. Go check out Iraqveteran8888 on youtube, they really pushed those hipoints lol. He has a nice series on a mosin nagant also.
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Old 04-16-2012, 17:02   #39
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Knock on Jennings, Davis and Hi-Points all you want, but not everybody in America can cough out several hundred dollars for a handgun.
My Phoenix arms Raven, never had a failure of any kind. I don't carry it,I have my S&W's for that, but at least it hasn't been a complete POS.
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Old 04-16-2012, 17:17   #40
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You forgot to add CZ to that list. The model 75 is overpriced and overrated.
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