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Old 04-09-2012, 19:56   #41
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I have been an avid supporter of Dr. Paul because I honor, respect and have sworn to protect our constitution.

I am, and as many of you hope, probably an extreme minority.

I will not vote for the lesser of two evils.

I will not vote for Obamer, nor will I vote for Romney.

If those are the choices, I will not vote.

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Old 04-09-2012, 21:05   #42
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I have been an avid supporter of Dr. Paul because I honor, respect and have sworn to protect our constitution.

I am, and as many of you hope, probably an extreme minority.

I will not vote for the lesser of two evils.

I will not vote for Obamer, nor will I vote for Romney.

If those are the choices, I will not vote.

Yessir How High

And what will that accomplish?
Will it change anything?
Will anybody notice or even care?

What it WILL do is play right into the politicians hands.
You see, they don't want you to vote.

One reason things in this country are so screwed up is because less than half the population votes.

Unfortunately it's the ones with their hands out that do vote.
That's how people like Clinton and Obama get elected.

By not voting you're literally guaranteeing that nothing ever changes.

Is that what you want?

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Old 04-09-2012, 22:18   #43
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And what will that accomplish?
Will it change anything?
Will anybody notice or even care?

What it WILL do is play right into the politicians hands.
You see, they don't want you to vote.

One reason things in this country are so screwed up is because less than half the population votes.

Unfortunately it's the ones with their hands out that do vote.
That's how people like Clinton and Obama get elected.

By not voting you're literally guaranteeing that nothing ever changes.

Is that what you want?

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While I do not completely share Yessir's sentiments, you seem to be missing a very key point to what he said. No political party is entitled to his vote, or my vote, or your vote.

Voting for the same two parties has done nothing but continued the same series of failed ideas, time and time again. If the Republicans manage to win this election, the only thing that will actually change is who is signing the check and were the money is going.

By not voting, Yessir is acting, on principle, in the manner that he believes will maximize his voice in the election. If enough people don't vote, it is likely that the Republicans might actually rethink their direction.
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Old 04-09-2012, 22:36   #44
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If enough people don't vote, it is likely that the Republicans might actually rethink their direction.

Enough people not voting is what got us in this mess in the first place.

People vote to keep their welfare checks, free abortions, free healthcare
and whatever else the politicians promise them.

By refusing to vote, you enable that behavior.
Their vote counts. Yours doesn't cause you didn't cast it.

To say that any party or candidate doesn't deserve your vote is just selfish and immature, because you don't have a vote until you cast it at the ballot box.

A vote not cast doesn't exist and makes no difference.
You may as well be pissing in the wind.

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Old 04-09-2012, 22:53   #45
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A bit of intellectual dishonesty on top of generalizing and basically, well…wrong.


Romney is less than optimal, but Obama is downright dangerous. Choice is clear. Romney may actually turn out to surprise us. If he can fix things financially with his business acumen, a lot of follow-on stuff may just fix itself.
Now this is what I would call intellectual dishonesty mixed in with a pinch of wishful thinking.
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Now this is what I would call intellectual dishonesty mixed in with a pinch of wishful thinking.
This is what I would call a reading comprehension problem
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Old 04-10-2012, 00:41   #47
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, I will not vote.
So, you approve of the current lawlessness. Glad you stand up for yourself.


Of course, RP is the ONLY person on the planet that understnds the COTUS. No one else is qualified. Only he can do it and if he can't get in, then we should keep the current lawless president trying to tear it down.

Makes sense when you think about it. Wait...
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Ron's a nice enough guy. He has some really good ideas. Barring a cosmic event, he won't be the republican nominee. I predicted long ago that there would be loud cries for him to run third party once that was evident to his followers. Even though many of them claimed Ron was a republican through and through and would never run third party. Even though he has run third party in the past and endorsed third party candidates in the last presidential election.

So here we are. He either will, or he won't. I guess the effect of that would depend on what his top priority is. He won't win, so he'd be running in a vain attempt to keep his message out there, revenge against the republicans, to keep his family gainfully employed, or some as yet unconsidered reason.

Maybe he will run, and try to get into the Mitt/Barry debates, then at the last minute tell all of his followers to vote for mitt to defeat barry?


Who knows?


It will be interesting to watch.
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And what will that accomplish?
Will it change anything?
Will anybody notice or even care?

What it WILL do is play right into the politicians hands.
You see, they don't want you to vote.

One reason things in this country are so screwed up is because less than half the population votes.

Unfortunately it's the ones with their hands out that do vote.
That's how people like Clinton and Obama get elected.

By not voting you're literally guaranteeing that nothing ever changes.

Is that what you want?

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Actually, voting blindly for your party's nominee is what the politicians want. Like a wolf isolating a lamb from the flock, you're guided into the corner they want you in.....so that nothing will change.

As for the one's with their hands out, that's pretty much everyone, including you.
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Enough people not voting is what got us in this mess in the first place.

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Hardly the problem.

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People vote to keep their welfare checks, free abortions, free healthcare
and whatever else the politicians promise them.
Like Social Security and Medicare

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By refusing to vote, you enable that behavior.
Their vote counts. Yours doesn't cause you didn't cast it.
Progressive left, Progressive right....refusing to vote for one of those two means you refuse to vote for a Progressive.

Be a good little sheep and line up for the shearing.

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To say that any party or candidate doesn't deserve your vote is just selfish and immature, because you don't have a vote until you cast it at the ballot box.
World-class stupidity right there.

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A vote not cast doesn't exist and makes no difference.
You may as well be pissing in the wind.
Sure it does....to a man with principles and a conscience.
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Actually, voting blindly for your party's nominee is what the politicians want. Like a wolf isolating a lamb from the flock, you're guided into the corner they want you in.....so that nothing will change.

As for the one's with their hands out, that's pretty much everyone, including you.
Or you could go in with both eyes open, and accept what you are getting is not what you wanted, but the alternative, Barry in an unfettered second term is clearly worse than Romney in a first term.


It ain't pretty, but it IS what it is.
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What will he do if the Congress offers him an AWB without a sunset? I wonder.
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What will he do if the Congress offers him an AWB without a sunset? I wonder.
Romney? Assuming his anti-gun feelings are just as strong as Obama, he'd still have to worry about the backlash against Republicans and about a second term.

Obama heads a party that is more anti-gun, so less backlash, and he's never concerned about running for any elected office again.

Assuming Romney is as anti-gun as you think, he's still a much, much better choice than Obama.
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Actually, voting blindly for your party's nominee is what the politicians want. Like a wolf isolating a lamb from the flock, you're guided into the corner they want you in.....so that nothing will change.

As for the one's with their hands out, that's pretty much everyone, including you.
And thinking like this is what the Democrats want, because Republicans and conservative third-partiers not voting for a Republican nominee, because he isn't conservative enough, guarantees them a win (the same being true in reverse, of course, but not an issue in this election).

Causing Obama to win a second term, in order to spitefully remind Republicans to be more conservative is pretty much what the phrase "cutting off your nose to spite your face" means. If you want to stand on prnciple and vote htird party, do it when we are up against a 1st term democrat, at least.

It took us about 220 years to get the supreme court to say that the 2nd amendment protects our individual right to own guns. If Obama gets to appoint the ONE SUPREME COURT JUSTICE he needs to reverse that, you will never see the right again in your lifetime.
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Romney? Assuming his anti-gun feelings are just as strong as Obama, he'd still have to worry about the backlash against Republicans and about a second term.

Obama heads a party that is more anti-gun, so less backlash, and he's never concerned about running for any elected office again.

Assuming Romney is as anti-gun as you think, he's still a much, much better choice than Obama.
What backlash? As this thread indicates Republicans will line up to vote for whichever Republican is opposing a Democrat.
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And thinking like this is what the Democrats want, because Republicans and conservative third-partiers not voting for a Republican nominee, because he isn't conservative enough, guarantees them a win (the same being true in reverse, of course, but not an issue in this election).
What if he isn't conservative at all?
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What if he isn't conservative at all?
As I pointed out - IT DOESN'T MATTER.

he's not more liberal than Obama and even if you want to dishonestly claim he is, he's not running for his second term.

The communist party nominee would be a less dangerous president than Obama.
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What will he do if the Congress offers him an AWB without a sunset? I wonder.
Not very likely, but take into consideration the fast and furious plan an the only likely use of that. To create a crisis to respond too. Again, Barry is worse. Bad is better than terrible.
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As I pointed out - IT DOESN'T MATTER.

he's not more liberal than Obama and even if you want to dishonestly claim he is, he's not running for his second term.
The Romney campaign should go ahead and make that their campaign slogan:

Mitt Romeny for President
Not as liberal as Obama
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What backlash? As this thread indicates Republicans will line up to vote for whichever Republican is opposing a Democrat.
And honestly considering how bad Barry is, that's not so unreasonable.
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