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Old 04-06-2012, 21:05   #1
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Sense of Entitlement after SHTF

I story on here by a fellow member got me thinking about the ice storm that hit the Midwest about 3 years ago. I heard about the chaos that was around me, like folks fighting over water and generators and more than a few gas stations running out of fuel. But... one, little incident hit home for me. My wife and I were able to get by without going out, pretty much during the whole BAD part of the weather which was about 5 days and we were without power for about 9 days. I was using my Surefire flashlight a lot during the dark and it's got a BRIGHT led light. (awesome light, btw) A neighbor 3 houses down who I'd never met, asks to use it because apparently, they don't have a single flashlight. I do the neighborly thing, but not wanting to hand my favorite light over to her, I go down the way and light up her garage for her so she can see, then go back home. She knocks and asks to use it again a short while later with her son, so rather than giving them my $100+ LED light to her I tell her that she can HAVE one of the cheap Rayovac's that I have laying around the house. She turns it on, see's that is not as bright and says exactly this... "This one ain't good, I need that one." I said that I needed it for my house, and her son said "for what?" I basically explained that it was... well... mine, and I'd like to keep it for my wife and I, but she could HAVE the other one, AND the extra D-cells too. Her son stared me down for a bit, and she said "hmmmpfff" and after both acting first confused and then angry that I wanted to keep my better light instead of the old one I gave them, they left without a Thank you. Small details project big problems for the future. I'll be keeping my eye on them next time.
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Old 04-06-2012, 21:18   #2
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You can't change human nature. Some people just need to be left to their own devices.
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Old 04-06-2012, 21:19   #3
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I know the feeling and it's not just in an emergency (then it's worse) but all the time. I'm talking about loaning my neighbors tools. I used to do it freely but no more. My response now is to remind them of the specific tool of mine that they still have or ruined by leaving it outdoors. I have lived in the same house with the same neighbors so long that I know the ones who are going to treat my tools poorly, make me go ask to get them back or just plain still have them since they were a cheap tool.

In the case of your flashlight I would never give those people help again and since they have a teenager who could mess with your stuff I would make up some crazy story why I can't let them use it, like the batteries are almost dead and I am terrified to be in the dark, etc.

People are just amazing when it comes to other peoples stuff aren't they? Drives me crazy.
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Old 04-06-2012, 21:21   #4
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I was ALMOST ready to give this thread a recommendation for "take this crap elsewhere"
But you raised a good point IMO.

This has nothing to do with "sense of entitlement" in the typical "gubment makes zombies" sense of things IMO (tell me if I'm wrong). It has to do with selfishness and laziness and short term thinking. That's a little different. That applies to working all the way up to bank CEO's. Just want to make things clear...

The REAL issue here is, and will always be, when SHTF, and the UNPREPARED come a calling, what will you do?

I have to say, I highly applaud your a) Willingness to help and b) sensibility to keep your hands on your gear! A perfectly played hand, if I must say so.

There is a fine line between making sure you and yours are protected and your gear is safe versus being a complete doosh to everyone and anyone around you.

Honestly, I am part of a community. I will likely need all of them to get by in a really serious or long term situation (at least some of them). Going around being a jerk is a fast ticket to be on the wrong end of a lot of unhappy people. Bad idea.

But at the end of the day, if you choose an Xbox over a three to five day supply of water or whatever, in an area where you are likely to need it...well, you made your choice.

But just because people need assistance and aren't long term thinkers, doesn't mean they are bad. However, the attitude of this woman appears to pretty poor.

You can write her off, or you can take the high road and explain the situation to her, and attempt to get her to be a little better prepared next time. And then, if she isn't interested, tell her "Sorry - I offered, you declined. Good luck" and do it with clear conscience.

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Old 04-06-2012, 21:30   #5
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Wow, that story made me angry.

The most telling line was when the son says: “For what?” In other words, “We want/need the light more than you do, and there’s two of us and one of you, so your light is rightfully ours.”

Once socialism rots the boundaries of private property, then whatever you own belongs to the people who can make the best case for being needy victims, or better yet...intimidating needy victims.

Marx would have liked the story. “From each, according to his foresight, work, & preparations, to each, according to his ability in creating coalitions, playing the victim card, and sheer audacity.”

How much you wanna bet your flashlightless neighbors have an awesome flat panel TV?
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Old 04-06-2012, 21:37   #6
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Wow, that story made me angry.

The most telling line was when the son says: “For what?” In other words, “We want/need the light more than you do, and there’s two of us and one of you, so your light is rightfully ours.”

Once socialism rots the boundaries of private property, then whatever you own belongs to the people who can make the best case for being needy victims, or better yet...intimidating needy victims.

Marx would have liked the story. “From each, according to his foresight, work, & preparations, to each, according to his ability in creating coalitions, playing the victim card, and sheer audacity.”

How much you wanna bet your flashlightless neighbors have an awesome flat panel TV?
The son got me too! What a world when people can't tell the difference between "yours" and "theirs".

We had a guy come to the door today and I was busy so my wife went to the window where we scope out the door (not the peep hole) and saw some guy we did not know who knocked instead of using the doorbell... she came back to me and reported that she did not let him in or let him know that we were home. Good training! No uniform AND labelled vehicle? No answer unless I am there with a weapon. I love my wife.
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Old 04-06-2012, 21:42   #7
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Here's my report on a weirdly similar situation...albeit a training exercise rather than a weather event...but the details are much the same. I got mugged for my spare flashlight, with absolutely no appreciation.

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1377675
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Old 04-06-2012, 21:45   #8
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The son got me too! What a world when people can't tell the difference between "yours" and "theirs".

We had a guy come to the door today and I was busy so my wife went to the window where we scope out the door (not the peep hole) and saw some guy we did not know who knocked instead of using the doorbell... she came back to me and reported that she did not let him in or let him know that we were home. Good training! No uniform AND labelled vehicle? No answer unless I am there with a weapon. I love my wife.
Hell if people could tell the difference between yours and theirs we wouldn't have so many criminals who come around and "liberate" your property with no regard for you rights.

I know that's not what you meant bro. But this whole story just ticked me off. I know too many people with this woman's poor attitude, and I know too many theives who would also take your stuff as if it really belonged to them. Dude sometimes people just annoy me

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Old 04-06-2012, 22:01   #9
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I know too many people with this woman's poor attitude, and I know too many theives who would also take your stuff as if it really belonged to them.
They're known as Socialists. Or as Obama voters, same thing. 52.9% of the population in 2008.
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Old 04-06-2012, 22:06   #10
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They're known as Socialists. Or as Obama voters, same thing. 52.9% of the population in 2008.
Aint that the truth
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Old 04-06-2012, 22:15   #11
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I can't believe how "nice" some of you people are. An offer was made, for her to take the cheap flashlight and batteries. If any complaint, offer would have been retracted and said persons sent on their way in the dark, no compassion for dushbags.

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Old 04-06-2012, 22:45   #12
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I think after the punk opened his trap--I would have recended any offers of help other than offering she'll need to gather 2 sticks and that she and the boy will have to rub them together to make light the old fashioned way.
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Old 04-06-2012, 23:14   #13
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I honestly learned something from this thread. Gotta feeling that most of my neighbors are not prepared for anything.
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I was ALMOST ready to give this thread a recommendation for "take this crap elsewhere"
But you raised a good point IMO.

This has nothing to do with "sense of entitlement" in the typical "gubment makes zombies" sense of things IMO (tell me if I'm wrong). It has to do with selfishness and laziness and short term thinking. That's a little different. That applies to working all the way up to bank CEO's. Just want to make things clear...

The REAL issue here is, and will always be, when SHTF, and the UNPREPARED come a calling, what will you do?

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All the same. Your Xbox example is a perfect one. Except you could change it to vaction in Cabo,new truck, new boat. etc.

Entitlement runs deep and is an everyday issue not just a shtf one.It will just bring it to the surface on every level.
To many people these days have the mentality that what is yours is theirs. My job puts me smack dab in the middle of what true entitlement is. So maybe im jaded a tad. But when people dont have and you do , it creates an issue.
here's your free flash light glad i could help..." WHAT i cant have YOURS its better and bigger"
Anyone remember the black lady on the bridge during Katrina when she got her MREs
" These arent good enough to eat..."
1- you have zero food.
2- be thankful someone gave it to you
3- shut up and eat or die
4- i bet she ate it anyway but wanted to ***** and moan ( lot do this like a kid having a tantrum- thinking it will get them their way)

oh well. sorry i ranted.

The give me, out reached hand tantrum throwing way of thinking annoys the hell outta me.
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Good wake up call for folks.

Can you imagine having a boatload of people like that around you if something happened?
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A neighbor 3 houses down who I'd never met, asks to use it because apparently, they don't have a single flashlight. I do the neighborly thing, but not wanting to hand my favorite light over to her, I go down the way and light up her garage for her so she can see, then go back home. She knocks and asks to use it again a short while later with her son, so rather than giving them my $100+ LED light to her I tell her that she can HAVE one of the cheap Rayovac's that I have laying around the house. She turns it on, see's that is not as bright and says exactly this... "This one ain't good, I need that one." I said that I needed it for my house, and her son said "for what?"

This is where I go from being the "nice neighbor" to their worst nightmare! I would have laughed out loud & long...while not taking my eyes off of them! When I stopped, I would state..

"Due to your unbelievable attitude & insolence concerning my generosity.....The offer of my assistance is rescinded...PERMANENTLY!"

"Ever heard of ....Beggars cannot be Choosers?"

"Leave RIGHT now & do not E-V-E-R trespass on my property again!"




My left side would be closest to him & my right hand would be resting on my holstered sidearm.....just in case!

I would stand at my doorway until they were back home..

..and make sure my wife & neighbors understood exactly what transpired!
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She knocks and asks to use it again a short while later with her son, so rather than giving them my $100+ LED light to her I tell her that she can HAVE one of the cheap Rayovac's that I have laying around the house. She turns it on, see's that is not as bright and says exactly this... "This one ain't good, I need that one." I said that I needed it for my house, and her son said "for what?" I basically explained that it was... well... mine, and I'd like to keep it for my wife and I, but she could HAVE the other one, AND the extra D-cells too. Her son stared me down for a bit, and she said "hmmmpfff" and after both acting first confused and then angry that I wanted to keep my better light instead of the old one I gave them, they left without a Thank you. Small details project big problems for the future. I'll be keeping my eye on them next time.
Here are a couple of thoughts for consideration.

1. How did they know you had a flashlight?

2. What kink of 'vibe' do you give off? Sometimes when people help other people they appear weak to the person that is being helped tries to take advantage of them.

3. Did you expose your preps? Did you allow the neighbors to see you were prepared?

4. If things did get worse I think the mother and son might have told others you have stuff and went over to your house to 'ask' for more.

5. This is how fires start. My guess is that if you didn't help the neighbor they might have used candles and might have started a fire.

6. No good deed goes unpunished.

7. It is difficult to say no or know when or how to stop helping.
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Here are a couple of thoughts for consideration.

1. How did they know you had a flashlight?

2. What kink of 'vibe' do you give off? Sometimes when people help other people they appear weak to the person that is being helped tries to take advantage of them.

3. Did you expose your preps? Did you allow the neighbors to see you were prepared?

4. If things did get worse I think the mother and son might have told others you have stuff and went over to your house to 'ask' for more.

5. This is how fires start. My guess is that if you didn't help the neighbor they might have used candles and might have started a fire.

6. No good deed goes unpunished.

7. It is difficult to say no or know when or how to stop helping.
1. It is like 200 lumens, so it's really bright and they saw me using it outside and came over... maybe in the future I should "pretend" that I only have the crappy ones and use the good one where it can't be seen.

2. I am a pretty big, still relatively young guy. I do not think I give off the "chump" sort of vibe, but who knows...

3. Nope

4. To a certain extent, I am well prepared... and if largely outnumbered... truck full of gas and bug out plan...

5. They had candles too... yep... no fire luckily. They probably would have asked for my house... lol

6. I agree

7. I agree... and it's tough when you finally have to say "no"
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