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Old 04-06-2012, 12:26   #21
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Your best bet is to actually call the ATF. Listening to people here on whether or not you can remove factory markings is bad ju-ju.

Give them a call-

ATF Firearms Technology Branch - (304) 616-4300

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Old 04-06-2012, 12:28   #22
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Your best bet is to actually call the ATF. Listening to people here on whether or not you can remove factory markings is bad ju-ju.

Give them a call-

ATF Firearms Technology Branch - 301 260 54876
Better yet, get it in writing.
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Old 04-06-2012, 12:38   #23
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In Kentucky, it is a class A misdemeanor (up to 12 months in jail) to "deface, cover, alter, or destroy the manufacturer's serial number or any other distinguishing number or identification mark" on a firearm, or if you possess one, know that has been done to it.

Check your state's laws.
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Old 04-06-2012, 12:41   #24
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Trade it in and find an M9 variant and your wish will come true.
No, thanks, I like this one.
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Old 04-06-2012, 12:59   #25
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No, thanks, I like this one.
Then add an M9. They lack the warning markings.
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Old 04-06-2012, 13:23   #26
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From the slide, my main concern was removing the importation marks, but it makes sense what you guys are saying about it being replaceable, so that's not a concern. The country of origin, and model are on the frame where I want to slim it down though, so I'm still curious about that. Not removing the serial number is obvious.

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I would love to remove everything from my 92 but make, model, and serial number (obviously).
Yeah, but I wanna remove the make, and country of origin.
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Your best bet is to actually call the ATF. Listening to people here on whether or not you can remove factory markings is bad ju-ju.
Give them a call-
ATF Firearms Technology Branch - 301 260 54876
That phone number has an extra number....
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In Kentucky, it is a class A misdemeanor (up to 12 months in jail) to "deface, cover, alter, or destroy the manufacturer's serial number or any other distinguishing number or identification mark" on a firearm, or if you possess one, know that has been done to it.

Check your state's laws.
Got a link to Arizona's laws regarding modifications?
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Old 04-06-2012, 13:50   #27
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That phone number has an extra number....
Sorry. Here is the correct phone number - (304) 616-4300
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Old 04-06-2012, 14:07   #28
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Sorry. Here is the correct phone number - (304) 616-4300
They don't answer technical questions over the phone, and either must write, or contact a local branch.
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Old 04-06-2012, 14:26   #29
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California you can not remove any identifying marks. I would imagine its the same everywhere since the make is needed when you run a firearm..
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Old 04-06-2012, 14:32   #30
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Flagstaff Field Office
345 River Run, Suite 210
Flagstaff, Arizona 86001 USA
Voice (928) 779-4585
Fax (928) 779-6223

I called these guys. Got ahold of an agent who was very informative, and cool to talk to. He said that I'm welcome to upgrade parts (slide, example), and could buy something that's slab sided, and requires no ID marks. The manufacturer, as creating a marketable firearm, is required to put the make, model, and caliber on there. Also, if not made in the US, country of origin, and importer. Therefore, the only way I can remove the marks on the slide, is to buy another one.

The marks on the frame (manufactuer, model, country of origin) may not be removed. He stated that if all that was there was the serial number, that'd be all he had to go off of, besides what the owner would say. He could still track down the make/model/origin with that number, but that info still needs to be on there, since the manufacturer was required to put it on in the first place. Again, because they're making complete firearms that are marketed for sale.

Then we BS'd about home made guns, for a while. Dude was way informative, and just cool to talk to. Answered all my questions easily, and very polite.
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Flagstaff Field Office
345 River Run, Suite 210
Flagstaff, Arizona 86001 USA
Voice (928) 779-4585
Fax (928) 779-6223

I called these guys. Got ahold of an agent who was very informative, and cool to talk to. He said that I'm welcome to upgrade parts (slide, example), and could buy something that's slab sided, and requires no ID marks. The manufacturer, as creating a marketable firearm, is required to put the make, model, and caliber on there. Also, if not made in the US, country of origin, and importer. Therefore, the only way I can remove the marks on the slide, is to buy another one.

The marks on the frame (manufactuer, model, country of origin) may not be removed. He stated that if all that was there was the serial number, that'd be all he had to go off of, besides what the owner would say. He could still track down the make/model/origin with that number, but that info still needs to be on there, since the manufacturer was required to put it on in the first place. Again, because they're making complete firearms that are marketed for sale.

Then we BS'd about home made guns, for a while. Dude was way informative, and just cool to talk to. Answered all my questions easily, and very polite.
Glad to see you checked with some officials before you did something that could have landed you in hot water.
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Old 04-08-2012, 00:42   #32
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Removing any factory engravings or markings from a firearm seems like a recipe for jail time, IMO.
I heard they gave a guy the chair for rubbing out a 'Made in Brazil' stamp on a Taurus...
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Glad to see you checked with some officials before you did something that could have landed you in hot water.
The atf agent said the same thing.
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Got a link to Arizona's laws regarding modifications?
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ARS 13-3102. Misconduct involving weapons; defenses; classification; definitions

A. A person commits misconduct involving weapons by knowingly:

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6. Defacing a deadly weapon; or

7. Possessing a defaced deadly weapon knowing the deadly weapon was defaced; or

http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument....13&DocType=ARS
BUT - you are in luck, in Arizona:
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2. "Deface" means to remove, alter or destroy the manufacturer's serial number.
ARS 13-3101
http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument....13&DocType=ARS
The definition of "deface"

Federal law may be a whole other story.
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BUT - you are in luck, in Arizona:


http://www.azleg.gov/FormatDocument....13&DocType=ARS
The definition of "deface"

Federal law may be a whole other story.
He already spoke with an ATF field agent...

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The marks on the frame (manufactuer, model, country of origin) may not be removed. He stated that if all that was there was the serial number, that'd be all he had to go off of, besides what the owner would say. He could still track down the make/model/origin with that number, but that info still needs to be on there, since the manufacturer was required to put it on in the first place. Again, because they're making complete firearms that are marketed for sale.

Then we BS'd about home made guns, for a while. Dude was way informative, and just cool to talk to. Answered all my questions easily, and very polite.

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I heard they gave a guy the chair for rubbing out a 'Made in Brazil' stamp on a Taurus...
I sanded off the "Read Owners Manual Warning" on my Ruger and the ATF turned me in to a newt!
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I sanded off the "Read Owners Manual Warning" on my Ruger and the ATF turned me in to a newt!
A newt?!
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A newt?!
Well... I got better.
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Well... I got better.
I was going to be highly angry if you didn't come back with that response...
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