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Old 04-04-2012, 15:49   #26
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If it wasn't for work I'd run Ubuntu solely. However work requires Office so I'm hosed.

Ubuntu was great up until the "improved" GRUB came out. They turned a simple text based boot loader configuration into a cryptic MESS. Changing your dual boot set-up became a nightmare (we're not all programmers).

I'm still running 10.04 and refuse to upgrade.

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Old 04-04-2012, 17:15   #27
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If it wasn't for work I'd run Ubuntu solely. However work requires Office so I'm hosed.

Ubuntu was great up until the "improved" GRUB came out. They turned a simple text based boot loader configuration into a cryptic MESS. Changing your dual boot set-up became a nightmare (we're not all programmers).

I'm still running 10.04 and refuse to upgrade.

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I completely agree w/ you about Grub2. It's a menu to select your OS, you don't need to make it as complex as grub2 is. grub was perfect.. simple to edit, change, etc. grub2 lost its way, but once you get the hang of making simple changes to it... it's really not that bad.

You'll have to upgrade eventually... wait till you start using Unity or Gnome 3... then you'll REALLY be frustrated with "change"...
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Old 04-04-2012, 19:45   #28
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Just built a server and installed Ubuntu Server 11. Currently still working on configuring it, but I like it so far. Played with Mandrake back in the dark ages, but it REALLY wasn't ready for daily driving back then.
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Old 04-04-2012, 20:00   #29
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Linux Mint founder and Israel don't play well

Interesting read.

http://jay4rest.wordpress.com/2011/0...gainst-israel/

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Old 04-04-2012, 20:06   #30
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Interesting read.

http://jay4rest.wordpress.com/2011/0...gainst-israel/

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A frog anti-Semite, who woulda thunk it? Add Mint to the list of french crap I won't patronize. And thanks for the headsup.
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Old 04-05-2012, 18:33   #31
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Linux Mint 12 for dual boot laptop with 7. Openfiler 2.3 for home file server. CentOS 6 for remote NX desktop while on the road. pfSense for firewall/router. I prefer Red Hat based distros for servers and Debian for end user.
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Old 04-05-2012, 19:17   #32
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I tried OpenFiler, and just did not like it.
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Old 04-06-2012, 11:00   #33
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Linux users speak up

I've used a few distros, no particular favorite.

I find this DiceBlog to be rather interesting: http://news.dice.com/2012/04/04/microsoft-linux/

If I recall correctly, MS tried to play nice with Java some years ago but went somewhat their own way.

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Old 04-09-2012, 07:20   #34
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As a young teen, I started out installing an old version of SCO UNIX off 3.5 floppies. After that I started using (attempting) Slackware. Here lately I've been hopping from flavor to flavor, just dabbling a little. It's weird ... I get more enjoyment installing and setting everything up than I do actually using the OS.
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Old 04-10-2012, 18:07   #35
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Once I got my instance setup just right, it's nice and stable. The biggest complaint I have is the lack of documentation available for the webgui after installing. There's a guide out there that walks you through installing and that's it. The "Administrator's Guide" you pay for isn't worth crap. Forums are about your only option for guidance.

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Old 04-10-2012, 18:25   #36
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Forums are about your only option for guidance.
Welcome to the wonderful world of web. Even in magazines (any type) most info is 6 months out of date before the presses get warmed up. Fortunately, most everything has already been answered in some forum if you can just wade through all the dross and find it.
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Old 04-10-2012, 18:30   #37
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Latest Fedora for me. I dallied with LFS for a short while -- that was a fun ride too.

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Once I got my instance setup just right, it's nice and stable. The biggest complaint I have is the lack of documentation available for the webgui after installing. There's a guide out there that walks you through installing and that's it. The "Administrator's Guide" you pay for isn't worth crap. Forums are about your only option for guidance.
Yeah, that's part of the issue with OMV. It's new, and documentation is very poor. I've seriously considered volunteering to write some docs for it.
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Old 04-13-2012, 15:26   #39
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I'd been using Mint, Mepis and mostly Kubuntu ('cuz they seem to have the most people working on it) I have numerous computers in the house running various Linux flavors.

Does anybody think Ubuntu stumbled badly with 11 ?

I'v had 3 installs go bad, and two stall on the startup screen after a routine update,

I can't wait 'til the next one, which will hopefully be as reliable as the previous ones.

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I'd been using Mint, Mepis and mostly Kubuntu ('cuz they seem to have the most people working on it) I have numerous computers in the house running various Linux flavors.

Does anybody think Ubuntu stumbled badly with 11 ?

I'v had 3 installs go bad, and two stall on the startup screen after a routine update,

I can't wait 'til the next one, which will hopefully be as reliable as the previous ones.

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11.xx has been rock solid reliable for me... it's just Unity that sucked. Once I dropped unity and went to another GUI... it was business as usual.

As much as I hate Unity, don't be surprised if by 12.10, maybe 13.04.... Canonical has all the serious bugs worked out and Unity is working very very well. Not saying I'll like it, but I expect it to get much better. Canonical has followed this course plenty of times before (release something that is crap, then keep working on it on subsequent releases, and eventually get it right).

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Old 04-13-2012, 22:00   #41
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LXDE spin of Fedora 16.
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Old 04-14-2012, 16:09   #42
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Virtual Box

At the moment I'm running Xubuntu 11.04 under VirtualBox on my Windows 7 machine. Pretty impressed with how well it runs being virtualized.

https://www.virtualbox.org/

After upgrading to this machine, which came pre-loaded with Win7 Pro, I had a legacy CAD program that didn't work under Win7. Found out about VirtualBox , installed it, and created a WinXP virtual machine. CAD program runs great under it.

VirtualBox runs works great for Linux too. I can keep my work and personal stuff somewhat seperated but still share files with the Windows 7 host machine.

I love Linux.

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Old 04-14-2012, 18:03   #43
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Virtualbox is a good way to "try" Linux, but in my opinion, not good for a permanent solution. Really any "Guest" OS should only be used to solve a problem that can't be resolved under the "Host" OS (ie, your CAD problem)
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Old 04-15-2012, 08:53   #44
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11.xx has been rock solid reliable for me... it's just Unity that sucked. Once I dropped unity and went to another GUI... it was business as usual.
That makes sense... I have a number of boxes running Mythbuntu 11.10 that installed the simple XDE GUI, and they run 24/7 with no problem whatsoever.

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Reading the forums I seem to get the idea there are 'too many cooks' in this...
From a default install, how would I kick out unity and bring in XDE ?

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my dvr runs linux, i had lots of fun upgrading it via bootp a while back to support the IR codes for new DirecTV boxes.

and by 'lots of fun' i mean, it was teh suck.


i've also got a cobalt RAQ1 mips running debian and an old gateway laptop running Mint Debian. they're basically persistent shell sessions for an irc session and snmp monitoring of my home network, along with the usual squid caching proxy and dhcp duties.

note to self, don't try and run cacti on an old raq1. the console becomes unresponsive when you try and use the web interface at the same time, heh.
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Reading the forums I seem to get the idea there are 'too many cooks' in this...
From a default install, how would I kick out unity and bring in XDE ?

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You can install LXDE from Synaptic (I think it's the "lubuntu-desktop" package.

Or, you can just download Lubuntu from http://www.lubuntu.net and boot it from a CD/USB, and see if you like it.

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You can install LXDE from Synaptic (I think it's the "lubuntu-desktop" package.

Or, you can just download Lubuntu from http://www.lubuntu.net and boot it from a CD/USB, and see if you like it.

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Thanks, I believe I'll try just that.... (the Lubuntu dl...) I got a spare machine and was looking for something to put on it.

Well, in 11 days, when 12.04 is out .....

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Can anyone explain why Unity is so disliked? I use Ubuntu 11.10 with Unity on my laptop. I'm fine with it.
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Can anyone explain why Unity is so disliked? I use Ubuntu 11.10 with Unity on my laptop. I'm fine with it.
Unity was originally designed to used on small screens, such as netbooks and embedded devices. Later, Ubuntu decided to use it as the standard default desktop. It is suppose to be easier for beginners to use. It hasn't been developed very long. Every time there is something new or different it takes a while to get used to it.

The primary purpose of Ubuntu is to supply an affordable operating system to schools and people where Microsoft and Apple are too expensive for them. Those already cost much more in other countries than they do in America. Ubuntu is offered to the public for development. I have been in some of those countries where schools use Linux and they normally do not have internet access. Ubuntu is suppose to be easier to add applications from CD's and DVD's than some other versions of Linux and the additional applications are supplied on discs, so the users can add them as they wish.

In the schools they usually have one new, powerful computer running Linux and the rest of the computers in a school are old, donated computers that run as terminals to the main computer. This is almost always just to have a computer system in the schools and they are usually not connected to the internet due to costs.
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Unity was originally designed to used on small screens, such as netbooks and embedded devices. Later, Ubuntu decided to use it as the standard default desktop. It is suppose to be easier for beginners to use. It hasn't been developed very long. Every time there is something new or different it takes a while to get used to it.
I'm a long term Linux user, so I'm familiar with the other window managers and the history of Ubuntu. I was just wondering why others dislike it.
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