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Old 02-25-2012, 13:08   #1
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Would you take others food at gun point?

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At some point, everything runs out. Your stored food has been eaten - whether it was a week, a month, a year...you could run out. Your "sustainable" food isn't sustainable; bad weather, contamination, over hunting/growing, migration, disease, etc. It becomes unsustainable at some point?

Would you?

I was thinking about this as I reflected on some relatives little fresh garden plot in the middle of Seattle. I'm sure they feel it's a great supply in case something goes wrong. I'm also sure there are some far less friendly people that will gladly remove them of the goods when the time comes.

And then it struck me - for the unprepared, it will come in 3-7 days. For the minor preppers, a couple weeks or months. And for the rest, no matter what you do, it can happen. And at some point, likely would.

I know we all frown up and loathe the concept of banditry. But when it is you/your kids or someone else's - would you / could you use force to survive when it all runs out?
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Old 02-25-2012, 13:41   #2
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I'm sure if things do get that bad; people will do whatever is necessary to survive. It's a human instinct.

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Old 02-25-2012, 13:58   #3
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I know we all frown up and loathe the concept of banditry. But when it is you/your kids or someone else's - would you / could you use force to survive when it all runs out?
Could I? Yes. I think anyone who says they couldn't is a liar.

Would I? That's what I don't know. I'd like to think that my reliance on God to fulfill my needs would not send me down that path. Instead of relying on one's self, the kind of situation you describe dictates a strong faith for survival.
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Old 02-25-2012, 14:08   #4
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I'd do it without hesitation. I hate people, in general, and if it'll keep my family alive, then I really don't think that I'd have a problem with it.

Hopefully it'll never come to anything like that.

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Old 02-25-2012, 14:11   #5
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Depends on how hungry I am/ the kids are and if I think I can take them. After a certain point all the good intentions and moral right and wrong go out the window. That is why people survived the Donner party.
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Old 02-25-2012, 14:19   #6
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Why begin when you run out? Preparedness means taking before you run out.
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Old 02-25-2012, 14:21   #7
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I know we all frown up and loathe the concept of banditry. But when it is you/your kids or someone else's - would you / could you use force to survive when it all runs out?
In these hypothetical situations require more then one variable change.

Let's say due to a national problem, grocery stores are having delivery disruptions. The store places limits on purchases and people follow the rules and people are treated equally. No problem.

Same as above but everyone some get more then others, some steal, and there then is a run on the stores. We have a problem.

Same with your hypothetical situation. If, someone has food and the people around there follow the law; there most likely will not be a problem or the problem would be manageable.

The person owning such plot such as you describe in an emergency would be wise to harvest it and replant. But they should not expect too much return in a SHTF situation due to insects and animal population growth over the medium term. And if people are stealing their food the farmers are exposing themselves to desperate people.

The idea of this situation, children hungry etc has been discussed before. Some did say they would take what was needed to feed their children if they were starving. If it got to that point I wonder who would be around to steal from and if they were around would the person know it.

In a way the above does not make sense for the people here - they are preppers. So, if their food has run out who will they get food from - other better prepared preppers - people trying not to be found with food, guns ammo and the knowledge to use them? Let's see them go up against LG1 and his friends.

I think many here are of the mind to lay low and the gray man concept in an emergency.
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Could I? Yes. I think anyone who says they couldn't is a liar.
I don't.

There is more to life than survival. Many people dont feel that way, I know. If you dont feel that way, it is hard to imagine that others wouldnt feel the same as you... maybe that is a way people rationalize their immoral behavior.

Am I saying that I am above it? I would hope so, but I wouldnt ever know unless I was in that situation. However, I know for a fact that there are people out there that would sooner die than to kill (whether you shoot them or take the last of their food, you are still killing them) another person.
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Old 02-25-2012, 15:14   #9
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No...stealing is stealing, whether there's a cop on the corner or not.

I would take food off anyone that attempted to harm my family or me. I'd take everything of any value off them - shoes, socks, guns, knives, ammo, food, water, etc.
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Old 02-25-2012, 16:38   #10
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Old 02-25-2012, 16:53   #11
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Old 02-25-2012, 16:57   #12
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I have no children, and am currently single. If it's just me, no I would not, with the possible exception of having just seen the people with the food commit murder to steal it themselves.

Put a wife and kids into the mix, and I do not know.
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Old 02-25-2012, 17:08   #13
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I don't.

There is more to life than survival. Many people dont feel that way, I know. If you dont feel that way, it is hard to imagine that others wouldnt feel the same as you... maybe that is a way people rationalize their immoral behavior.

Am I saying that I am above it? I would hope so, but I wouldnt ever know unless I was in that situation. However, I know for a fact that there are people out there that would sooner die than to kill (whether you shoot them or take the last of their food, you are still killing them) another person.
"that is a way people rationalize their immoral behavior."

Bingo! That's an x-ring hit. People find it much easier to do the wrong thing when they convince themselves that everyone would do it.
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"that is a way people rationalize their immoral behavior."

Bingo! That's an x-ring hit. People find it much easier to do the wrong thing when they convince themselves that everyone would do it.
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Old 02-25-2012, 18:00   #15
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Old 02-25-2012, 18:09   #16
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Before you answer:

At some point, everything runs out. Your stored food has been eaten - whether it was a week, a month, a year...you could run out. Your "sustainable" food isn't sustainable; bad weather, contamination, over hunting/growing, migration, disease, etc. It becomes unsustainable at some point?

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And then it struck me - for the unprepared, it will come in 3-7 days. For the minor preppers, a couple weeks or months. And for the rest, no matter what you do, it can happen. And at some point, likely would.

I know we all frown up and loathe the concept of banditry. But when it is you/your kids or someone else's - would you / could you use force to survive when it all runs out?
Depends. From liberals and statists, yes.
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Old 02-25-2012, 18:16   #17
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Yes. There are circumstances where I can completely agree, and understand doing so.
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Old 02-25-2012, 18:29   #18
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NO, not worth losing your immortal soul over....just save your last bullet for yourself and die with dignity rather than becoming a predator...... but use this as a lesson to prep in earnest now.....I think I have enough beans, rice, pasta and crisco and other supplies to feed my family for at least a couple years...after that, well.... we go to be with the Lord......
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Old 02-25-2012, 18:30   #19
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I don't know. I dont think I'll rob for a food. I'll do my best to find a food to eat. I'll eat bugs, worms, plants, bones, and maybe grass with whatever. I know it will be very nasty but at least I'll survive.

If I had to rob for a food then they will never forget my face. They will try everything to take a revenge. They will also spread the word of mouth in a community that I have robbed him and that's far worse than robbing for just food to survive.

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Old 02-25-2012, 18:31   #20
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No one can truely say how they would handle it until in that situation.
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