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Old 02-16-2012, 22:45   #26
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That would be great, I've wanted a pro rail for years but cannot buy a brazilian1911
the pro/pro operator are not brazillian 1911's.
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Old 02-16-2012, 23:56   #27
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the pro/pro operator are not brazillian 1911's.
Sorry to burst your bubble but they are. I've spoken to the woman who runs the custom shop (Deb) and every slide/frame they make no matter how high end the gun is, is ordered from imbel in Brazil.
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Old 02-17-2012, 06:31   #28
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Sorry to burst your bubble but they are. I've spoken to the woman who runs the custom shop (Deb) and every slide/frame they make no matter how high end the gun is, is ordered from imbel in Brazil.
Yes, the forgings come from IMBEL, but you'd be surprised how many other 1911's start with Korean forgings.
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Old 02-18-2012, 20:20   #29
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Yes, the forgings come from IMBEL, but you'd be surprised how many other 1911's start with Korean forgings.
Which ones?
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Which ones?
Korean? Nighthawk, Dan Wesson,
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Old 02-18-2012, 21:19   #31
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the pro/pro operator are not brazillian 1911's.
All SA 1911s are Brazillian. Springfield Armory is a company in name only these days and does not 'produce' any products. But rather they assemble firearms from subcontracted components.
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My guess that it's because the GI is the only model that was only made by IMBEL, the others are split between the 2 locations.
I prefer the US made ones anyways. Hopefully they start making them exclusively in the US.
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All SA 1911s are Brazillian. Springfield Armory is a company in name only these days and does not 'produce' any products. But rather they assemble firearms from subcontracted components.
Thats such a buzz kill, yeah and they bought the company that made the HS200 (XD) and now market the pistol under their name. What about springfield's M1A's? are those made in Brazil as well? i have no problem owning a handgun or firearm from brazil. Im sure they do something right over there. Honestly i trust the guys at Imbel alot more than the guys over at Armscor in the philipines. Im pretty sure the only current (unexpensive) 1911's that are produced/manufactured in America are the Auto Ordnance (Kahr arms) guns. and they get very mixed reviews
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What about springfield's M1A's? are those made in Brazil as well?
Since they became Springfield Armory, Inc.
IIRC, the receivers are now made in Canada by Alpha Casting INC.

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Thats such a buzz kill, yeah and they bought the company that made the HS200 (XD) and now market the pistol under their name. What about springfield's M1A's? are those made in Brazil as well? i have no problem owning a handgun or firearm from brazil. Im sure they do something right over there. Honestly i trust the guys at Imbel alot more than the guys over at Armscor in the philipines. Im pretty sure the only current (unexpensive) 1911's that are produced/manufactured in America are the Auto Ordnance (Kahr arms) guns. and they get very mixed reviews
Springfield in Illinoise had imported guns from various manufacturers and countries throughout the years. FN FAL and M1911 from IMBEL, Galil and CZ-75 clones from IMI, HS2000 from Croatia, etc. Oh yeah, anybody remembered the OMEGA from Peter Stahl of Germany?
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Sell it on Gunbroker. Your going to get screwed on a trade.
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Old 02-19-2012, 15:52   #37
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Since they became Springfield Armory, Inc.
IIRC, the receivers are now made in Canada by Alpha Casting INC.
Originally the smalls parts were USGI until they dried up. Bruce Machine out of Taiwan makes most of the small parts today.
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Thats such a buzz kill, yeah and they bought the company that made the HS200 (XD) and now market the pistol under their name. What about springfield's M1A's? are those made in Brazil as well? i have no problem owning a handgun or firearm from brazil. Im sure they do something right over there. Honestly i trust the guys at Imbel alot more than the guys over at Armscor in the philipines. Im pretty sure the only current (unexpensive) 1911's that are produced/manufactured in America are the Auto Ordnance (Kahr arms) guns. and they get very mixed reviews
Compare the parts fitting on some Filipino guns versus the Brazilian guns. The Brazilian guns are forged, which is nice, but the gunsmithing on ATI and RIA guns usually beats the Brazilian, in my experience.
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Bad news, They sold their G.I- I am now in a puddle of sorrow
My buddy bought a RIA 1911A1 today for $450 total. Seems like a decent piece of machinery, but im in it for the springfield or maybe a remington, hell maybe even a Kahr
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Bad news, They sold their G.I- I am now in a puddle of sorrow
My buddy bought a RIA 1911A1 today for $450 total. Seems like a decent piece of machinery, but im in it for the springfield or maybe a remington, hell maybe even a Kahr
RIA make decent guns, got the girlfriend one and it shoots well and is put together pretty well.

Kahr makes the Auto Ord 1911s as well.


Springfield Armory of today has nothing in common with Springfield armory, they just bought the name as I understand it.
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Old 02-21-2012, 01:31   #41
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Why not a Ruger? Sure, they're cast, but so is the Remington and the Ruger has a series 70 trigger. As far as the stainless goes, have it coated. Ruger has been building cast frame guns for years and they seem to have the hang of it. I had a GI model and found it to be a finicky beast. It was a little too tight out of the box to be reliable. Another problem I had is that once I added all the little things to it that I'd liked to have had it would have cost me over a grand! So, I sold it to my brother, who now has a over a grand in it, and bought a Kimber. Moral of the story is that you can save money now, or save money later. The GI is a good gun, IF it has everything you want already. Otherwise, get a mil-spec or loaded, IMHO.
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Old 02-21-2012, 03:47   #42
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I have a Springfield GI and a RIA GI. I've had problems with the Springfield due to the extractor. Also the RIA has a better trigger pull and has features more like the Springfield Milspec.
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Why not a Ruger? Sure, they're cast, but so is the Remington and the Ruger has a series 70 trigger. As far as the stainless goes, have it coated. Ruger has been building cast frame guns for years and they seem to have the hang of it. I had a GI model and found it to be a finicky beast. It was a little too tight out of the box to be reliable. Another problem I had is that once I added all the little things to it that I'd liked to have had it would have cost me over a grand! So, I sold it to my brother, who now has a over a grand in it, and bought a Kimber. Moral of the story is that you can save money now, or save money later. The GI is a good gun, IF it has everything you want already. Otherwise, get a mil-spec or loaded, IMHO.
I really was considering the ruger, but on top of my Glock 20, i would have to throw down about $350 or more and then i don't even know how long or how much it would cost to have it blue'd or parkerized. Considering STI spartan if i cant find a mil-spec or G.I, or hell i may even settle on a ruger P345 .45, cheap and seem like great durable guns (me likes single stack)
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I have a Springfield GI and a RIA GI. I've had problems with the Springfield due to the extractor. Also the RIA has a better trigger pull and has features more like the Springfield Milspec.
IF ONLY MY HANDS COULD GROWW! then i wouldnt be in this situation and id be perfectly content with the Glock 20.
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IF ONLY MY HANDS COULD GROWW! then i wouldnt be in this situation and id be perfectly content with the Glock 20.
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Old 02-21-2012, 12:21   #46
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I really was considering the ruger, but on top of my Glock 20, i would have to throw down about $350 or more and then i don't even know how long or how much it would cost to have it blue'd or parkerized. Considering STI spartan if i cant find a mil-spec or G.I, or hell i may even settle on a ruger P345 .45, cheap and seem like great durable guns (me likes single stack)
If you do decide to go with a Ruger (non-1911), I highly, highly recommend picking up a used P90 over a 345. YMMV.
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Old 02-21-2012, 12:36   #47
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Just called about 20 different gunshops in the cincinnati area, ONE had a G.I (but it was stainless therefore im not interested) 3 had Mil-specs (which were also stainless, not interested) so my faith is now diminsished. I checked gunbroker and there is not a single 5" G.I listed, there is a 4" champion parkerized but i require the 5" barrel. i dont weant to just sell the Glock first because even though its only had about 300rounds through it, i could only get about $400 for it, that makes me about $250 of from a G.I

so should i attempt and do a massive complicated swap for the one in the state next to me?

I figure i could walk in and talk to em, then figure out a plan to have my local ffl ship my glock to them, maybe add $150 cash, and have them ship their G.I to my ffl. for all the exchange my local FFl would probably charge me $50 and maybe even the shipping, then i would be into it more than i'd like to be.

Maybe i should just suck it up and stick with my G20
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Old 11-26-2012, 09:10   #48
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I have a Springfield GI and love it. It feels just like my Dad's Remington Rand that I inherited. Neither gun is for sale, but just for the record, I have 4 RIA's and love them all. They have excellent customer service, forged frames and slides and very good quality workmanship. I feel sure the day will come when my son's will inherit and love every one of the John Moses Browning gems.
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I have a Springfield GI and love it. It feels just like my Dad's Remington Rand that I inherited. Neither gun is for sale, but just for the record, I have 4 RIA's and love them all. They have excellent customer service, forged frames and slides and very good quality workmanship. I feel sure the day will come when my son's will inherit and love every one of the John Moses Browning gems.
RIA are good guns, but the frames are cast, not forged.
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