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Old 02-06-2012, 10:51   #1
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Alaska as a safe haven in case of SHTF??

Wife and I are planning a move to Alaska (for reasons entirely unrelated to SHTF preparedness). Specifically, the Anchorage area (both our jobs demand we be somewhat near a decent-sized town).

How is Alaska in general, and Anchorage in particular as a bug out location? I know there isn't much sun for growing your own food (I hear potatoes do very well, though) or living off solar panels year-round. But, all things considered, how would you fare in this state if things in the lower 48 really go downhill?

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Old 02-06-2012, 10:56   #2
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Alaska has to get alot of stuff shipped to them. What if these shipments stop? Milk, vegetables, ect
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:58   #3
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Alaska has to get alot of stuff shipped to them. What if these shipments stop? Milk, vegetables, ect
This is absolutely true. In many ways, the state is not exactly self-sufficient, especially for food. But perhaps the fact that its population density is lowest of all the states would offer some solace from wandering, roving, pilaging hordes escaping big cities like Chicago, Los Angeles, or Dallas?
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:21   #4
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But perhaps the fact that its population density is lowest of all the states would offer some solace from wandering, roving, pilaging hordes escaping big cities like Chicago, Los Angeles, or Dallas?
I assure you, that in a SHTF situation, the first things to get hoarded in Dallas will be IPhones, TVs, and alcohol. It will be weeks before the general population discovers that you can't wipe your ass with a laptop.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:51   #5
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I assure you, that in a SHTF situation, the first things to get hoarded in Dallas will be IPhones, TVs, and alcohol
If I had to guess, in a SHTF scenario, cellular services would crash due to nobody maintaining them. The internet would collapse as soon as power goes out. Cell phones and computers will be useless.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:02   #6
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If I had to guess, in a SHTF scenario, cellular services would crash due to nobody maintaining them. The internet would collapse as soon as power goes out. Cell phones and computers will be useless.
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It will be weeks before the general population discovers that you can't wipe your ass with a laptop.
I wish I could counter your statement, but I can't.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:21   #8
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If I had to guess, in a SHTF scenario, cellular services would crash due to nobody maintaining them. The internet would collapse as soon as power goes out. Cell phones and computers will be useless.
as long as there is no big emp event. my laptop will be extremely useful. i have a massive library of survival, medical, and how to books on mine. and its a rather low power consumption device, i have gotten 10 hours straight of use on battery. bonus on a netbook. low power use, and recharges quickly.

wherever you are. get a paper library. the one on my laptop is light and was very cheap. but paper books last. i expand my paper library as i can afford it.

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While the foregonig discussion on computer hardware as bathroom accoutrements is certainly enlightening, I was hoping somebody could address my original post.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:48   #10
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Unless you're living in the middle of nowhere and are entirely self-sufficient, I don't really see much of an advantage. A lot depends on the specific SHTF scenario (as it always does). But yes, almost anywhere in Alaska would be infinitely better than NYC or Los Angeles but not necessarily better than say Wyoming or Montana or the Dakotas.

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Old 02-06-2012, 13:02   #11
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By my count, here's some pros and cons of hiding away in the great AK:

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1) Geographically removed from any major city and so from wandering hordes of starving, roving gangs,
2) Geograhically far removed from US/Mexico border. The implications of that benefit in time of social collapse are so obvious, I won't get into them,
3) Not a big concentration of urban poor, who would essentially turn to animals during SHTF,
4) Very abundant fresh water supplies,
5) Decent supply of game meat, at least more in the interior,
6) Not a likely target in case of nuclear war or major terrorist attack, and
7) SPACE - lots of space to get away in case of plagues, epidemics, etc.

Cons-
1) Very short growing season for producing your own food,
2) Not much usuable sunlight most of the year to generate solar power,
3) If whatever government remains after SHTF to distribute aid, Alaska will probably be towards the bottom of the list of priority,
4) Harsh winters will make it tough going without ready supply of fuel, diesel, gasoline.
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Old 02-06-2012, 13:07   #12
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Please don't come to Alaska...
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Old 02-06-2012, 18:52   #13
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Yeah, live like the Kilchers.

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Old 02-06-2012, 23:11   #14
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Old 02-06-2012, 23:15   #15
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I lived in Anchorage for a while. There are two roads out of town. Both could be easily closed, one of them is occasionally closed because of avalanche. It's surrounded by the inlet and the mountains.

There are a lot of people in the Anchorage area. Wild game will disappear quickly.

Crime is bad and getting worse.

The scenery is great and if you like skiing, fishing, off roading, snowmachining, camping, etc. you have a lot of choices, anywhere from a short drive to a very long one.

You pay out the nose for anything shipped in.
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Old 02-06-2012, 23:19   #16
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It's been made a subject of enough survival movies like Resident Evil: Apocalypse. Escape to Alaska, there's no infection.
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Old 02-06-2012, 23:51   #17
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I remember there being an online site that let you put in a zipcode, and it would rate your risk during a nuclear conflict. I was a little surprised to see Anchorage was actually at high risk. I guess proximity to several threats, Elmensdorf AFB, Fort Richardson and several other early-warning radar installations make it a more-likely target.
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Old 02-07-2012, 00:12   #20
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I know there isn't much sun for growing your own food

Thanks!
Yeah that 24 hour sunlight isn't much. Ever heard of the MatSu Valley? Some of the best farming in the nation goes on there.
But like another poster stated, you should probably stay away. We have enough Commandos already.
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This seriously looks like a guy who came out on a trip to one of my remote cabins. He had it all. He even wanted me to take a 2 way radio with me when I walked away from the cabin (to get away from him) so we could stay in contact. I was literally still within earshot of the cabin and he was calling me on the radio.
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This seriously looks like a guy who came out on a trip to one of my remote cabins. He had it all. He even wanted me to take a 2 way radio with me when I walked away from the cabin (to get away from him) so we could stay in contact. I was literally still within earshot of the cabin and he was calling me on the radio.


Well this guy in the pic decided Diet Cokes were of higher priority.

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I remember there being an online site that let you put in a zipcode, and it would rate your risk during a nuclear conflict. I was a little surprised to see Anchorage was actually at high risk. I guess proximity to several threats, Elmensdorf AFB, Fort Richardson and several other early-warning radar installations make it a more-likely target.
How about Nome?

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different response

1. what is your physical conditioning?
2. what are your social skills?
3. what are your survival skills?

When you look in the mirror and honestly answer those three questions, you have your answers - regardless of where you live.

Civilization is built on job/occupational specializations. How many people lived in the Anchorage area 200 years ago. Assuming that a person had the basic survival skills of a person in that area 200 years ago (a very big assumption), that is how it would shake out in time, unless the people in Anchorage were still able to engage in occupational specialization.

The foregoing truisms are routinely overlooked by armchair survivalists.

If things really breakdown, forget the Rambo stuff. Look at the injuries and illnesses people had 200 years ago. They would crop up again. So you will have farming injuries (largely eyes, untreated cuts, untreated rotator cuffs) and be disabled for life. You will have epidemics, dirty water, and poor hygiene. You will have famine.

When a guy has a wife (no kids) in a survival situation, it can be like a three legged potato sack race or at best two people watching each other's backs. If your wife has zero skills, you aren't going to impart them fast enough. If you are 45 years old, haven't exercised regularly since high school, and have a baby in front (despite being a male), you aren't going to make it.

Look in the mirror and adjust accordingly.
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I spent three weeks vacation in Alaska in 1990, specifically around the Anchorage area with a week camping/fishing around the Kenai peninsula. At the time, I believe the population of Anchorage was 250 thousand, and growing. As people were moving/building east of town into the mountains there were more and more problems with bear encounters etc.
We were there the second two weeks of August and first week of September, and it had already snowed! The MatSu valley if famous for their gigantic vegetables, but it is very limited and would probably be one of the first areas ravaged by hungry hordes. Also, Alaska has more than its share of "unsavory" folks trying to hide from the Law, and not exactly the kind of neighbors you would want. As has been pointed out, everything that has to be shipped in is VERY expensive; you need to have a lot of money to live "the good life". Regarding the Kilchers, which I watched on television; think all the equipment they have and use is free?

While I enjoyed my vacation there, I don't think that I would want to live there. And I don't think that most folks today are ready for the hardships they would encounter there, even in peaceful times.
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