[alecat88]

http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/06/la...acare-waivers/


All those union scum bags helped give us the worse president in history and yet they all get waivers from obama care. The rest of us real working class people get stuck with it. Unions suck and have ruined this country with there greed. Im going to go out of my way to buy products made by non union workers. I think you should too.

[NEOH212]

Keep buying union made so you can keep buying one every year because the one you have will only last that long.

Oh yes, don't mind the price tag. You know, the one that has the price on it that's ten time higher than what the product is actually worth. Just buy it and don't ask questions. After all, the unions need to pay for those pensions and overpaid lazy employees somehow.

[Blast]

Unions are hurting our economy. They had their place decades ago, but they've gotten way out of control. Their demands are absurd. With current labor laws, unions are no longer needed.
Some have said unions are a commie plot to destroy our economy. Could be something there.


http://www.independentsentinel.com/2...-to-negotiate/

http://blog.chron.com/lorensteffy/20...pension-costs/

http://radioviceonline.com/hostess-t...vs-the-unions/

[Glock20 10mm]

Couldn't agree with ya more! We have a union trying to enlist the rest of us folks that are not "represented" I basically told them to take a long walk off a short pier.

[Angry Fist]

Who needs proof?

[rootpass]

Devil's advocate but unions brought us the 40 hr work week they also keep wages up and they are some of the last of the middle class. I would say trade agreements (nafta etc) have caused and continue to cause America's problems. I am speaking for trade unions more so than service and public employee unions.

[G33]

Federal government is one big union!

[Angry Fist]

Originally Posted by rootpass

Devil's advocate but unions brought us the 40 hr work week they also keep wages up and they are some of the last of the middle class. I would say trade agreements (nafta etc) have caused and continue to cause America's problems. I am speaking for trade unions more so than service and public employee unions.

My mom lost her job after NAFTA, and never went back to work. They can all get bent.

[1gewehr]

Originally Posted by rootpass

Devil's advocate but unions brought us the 40 hr work week they also keep wages up and they are some of the last of the middle class.

Ummm, no. Most companies went to an 8-hour day in order to keep skilled workers during the 1880's to 1920's. As an example, Ford went to a 8-hour day in 1914 and raised wages in order to keep skilled workers away from the competition. Their first labor contract was not until 1941.

Unions were a prime contributor to unemployment in the 1930's by insisting on keeping unsustainable wages until companies went broke.

Free-market agreements have always raised the standard of living far above collective bargaining. Unions add unnecessary expense to any company they infest. I have never seen any union shop that ran more efficiently (lower cost) than a non-union shop. Unions have killed more American jobs than anything else aside from Federal regulations.

[Airhasz]

Originally Posted by Glock20 10mm

Couldn't agree with ya more! We have a union trying to enlist the rest of us folks that are not "represented" I basically told them to take a long walk off a short pier.

Did you just think that up?

[ChuteTheMall]

I do my best to boycott all unions, wherever possible.

They are domestic labor terrorists, and our closest enemies.

[Peace Officer]

Unions at one time served a positive purpose, now they have priced themselves out of the job market. I am a Correctional Officer for the late great State of CA. I belong to one of the largest unions in that joke of a state. Our Union Reps. are a joke! Once a year the the union big wigs get together in Reno or Vegas or for that matter where ever they want to drink, eat and get layed on the union dues they bleed from us every month. Yes, it is time for unions to go!

[Brucev]

Originally Posted by rootpass

Devil's advocate but unions brought us the 40 hr work week they also keep wages up and they are some of the last of the middle class. I would say trade agreements (nafta etc) have caused and continue to cause America's problems. I am speaking for trade unions more so than service and public employee unions.

You must not say such things. Some people find such inconvenient truth to be to inconvenient.

[Brucev]

Today the American worker enjoys numerous rights and benefits as normative. These were not kindly given by employers, etc. Working through the political process, unions have acted to make normative a number of remarkable rights and benefits.

Unions have worked to bring about an end to child labor, to establish the right of workers to form unions and bargain collectively. Unions have worked to established the 8 hour day and paid overtime as well as workman's compensation benefits for injuries sustained on the job.

Unions have worked to establish unemployment insurance and a guaranteed minimum wage. Unions have worked to improve on the job safety. Unions have worked to bring about pensions and health care insurance for workers as well as sick leave, vacations, holidays, etc. as standard norms.

Unions worked for the right of public employes to bargain collectively. Unions were very much a part of the efforts that brought about the passage of the Civil Rights Acts and Title VII, the Occupational Safety and Health Act and the Family Medical Leave Act.

[CitizenOfDreams]

Originally Posted by Brucev

Some people find such inconvenient truth to be to inconvenient.

Especially when it's half truth or not truth at all.

[Bren]

Originally Posted by rootpass

Devil's advocate but unions brought us the 40 hr work week they also keep wages up and they are some of the last of the middle class. I would say trade agreements (nafta etc) have caused and continue to cause America's problems. I am speaking for trade unions more so than service and public employee unions.

And you were trying, unsuccessfully, to point out good things the unions have done? You need to think more about the consequences of things like artificially inflated wages. "inflated" hmm...that sounds like "inflation"...hmm...I wonder if passing those inflated wages on in the increased price of good and services then causes other people to need more money to buy those goods and sevrices and then causes an increase in the price of the goods and services they produce and...hey, that could get out of hand.

[PocketProtector]

Originally Posted by alecat88

http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/06/la...acare-waivers/


All those union scum bags helped give us the worse president in history and yet they all get waivers from obama care. The rest of us real working class people get stuck with it. Unions suck and have ruined this country with there greed. Im going to go out of my way to buy products made by non union workers. I think you should too.

I submit the waiver giver sucks balls more.

[21GlockStreet]

If you all hate unions so much then why don't you put your money where your mouth is? Don't take vacations, don't take any over time pay, split your days off. Don't take money for payment, demand company scrip. Use your scrip to buy goods at the company store and to pay your rent for company housing. Don't get sick. Don't get old either; after you are no longer useful, go off and die somewhere because you won't have a pension and your 401K has been stolen by the casino known as the stock market .
The fact is that the U.S. labor movement is a sham. It has become a dues collection business; concerned with its bottom line and not the well being of it's members. This is all by design. Big business, big labor and the U.S. government work side by side to keep the working class in just enough prosperity, just enough debt, and dumbed down enough by their education system so they don't realize how screwed they are and rebel. The corporate controlled media and education system propagate the anti labor agenda. Those greedy union members want to be able to receive a pension and health care after giving the best years of their life to some corporation. How dare they? Its OK for big business to receive tax breaks and incentives to move work over seas, though. Corporations are the biggest hogs sucking on the government welfare tit. If someone complains about this, blame the unions.. and the welfare mothers while they are at it.
Don't worry. All you big business/ anti union shills will soon get your wish. China is the poster child for free trade and globalization. This model will come to these shores soon. I don't think the corporate slave masters that you guys love some much will allow guns in company housing. You will turn in your guns to your corporate masters, because you love them.

[F350]

Originally Posted by Brucev

Today the American worker enjoys numerous rights and benefits as normative. These were not kindly given by employers, etc. Working through the political process, unions have acted to make normative a number of remarkable rights and benefits.

Unions have worked to bring about an end to child labor, to establish the right of workers to form unions and bargain collectively. Unions have worked to established the 8 hour day and paid overtime as well as workman's compensation benefits for injuries sustained on the job.

Unions have worked to establish unemployment insurance and a guaranteed minimum wage. Unions have worked to improve on the job safety. Unions have worked to bring about pensions and health care insurance for workers as well as sick leave, vacations, holidays, etc. as standard norms.

Unions worked for the right of public employes to bargain collectively. Unions were very much a part of the efforts that brought about the passage of the Civil Rights Acts and Title VII, the Occupational Safety and Health Act and the Family Medical Leave Act.

And along with all that other good stuff they helped bankrupt the auto industry, drive the steel industry over seas and bankrupt states like Kalifonia....All hail the unions!!!

[21GlockStreet]

Originally Posted by F350

And along with all that other good stuff they helped bankrupt the auto industry, drive the steel industry over seas and bankrupt states like Kalifonia....All hail the unions!!!

Was Auto industry corporate policy to build JUNK vehicles set by the unions?

[Brucev]

[QUOTE=CitizenOfDreams;19076128]Especially when it's half truth or not truth at all.

Hum... I use the phrase because it is a convenient means by which to tweak the ignorant. I've not ever bothered to read anything written by ag. Wouldn't consider it. Are you saying that you've read his book, etc.? If so, why?

[Brucev]

Originally Posted by Bren

And you were trying, unsuccessfully, to point out good things the unions have done? You need to think more about the consequences of things like artificially inflated wages. "inflated" hmm...that sounds like "inflation"...hmm...I wonder if passing those inflated wages on in the increased price of good and services then causes other people to need more money to buy those goods and sevrices and then causes an increase in the price of the goods and services they produce and...hey, that could get out of hand.

Educate yourself. Inflation is not the consequence of wages only. Like it or not, the raising of price by a producer is no different than employee's working together to raise their own wages/compensation. The cost are equally carried by the consumer. The employee is no more to be expected to donate his labor/skills than the producer is to be expected to donate his product.

[Brucev]

Originally Posted by F350

And along with all that other good stuff they helped bankrupt the auto industry, drive the steel industry over seas and bankrupt states like Kalifonia....All hail the unions!!!

The failure of the U.S. auto industry lies entirely with the company management who fiddled around producing the same old out of date designs rather than anticipating market demands. Companies like Toyota, Honda, Nissan, etc., correctly produced products consumers wanted to buy while GM, Ford, etc., kept right on producing the cars grandfather bought... until the U.S. taxpayer bailed them out.

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Originally Posted by 21GlockStreet

Don't worry. All you big business/ anti union shills will soon get your wish. China is the poster child for free trade and globalization. This model will come to these shores soon.

They're already here. Their subsidiary is a that very large store with a lot of blue color.

By the way, I nominate the rest of your text as post of the month.

[M&P Shooter]

I work for SEPTA and my union is very good to me and has gotten us more money every contract and great medical benefits. I can't even be called to the office about a company violation even if it's just a verbal without a union rep present. I have never been called to the office but just saying my union fights for us everyday.