[legion3]

Originally Posted by 10mm Sonny

Saw one today at my LGS for $3,999.

You can find them less than that.

Recently a LGS had a Marksman Special(Viced - someone had chromed it to look like miami vice) (one of the 250 or so 45 ACP full size Bren Tens made for a gun store in Chicago Illinois my how times have changed) for around $1800ish and I have seen some Brens in the upper 1000s and low 2000s.

I had a Bren Ten back in the days of my 10mm kick. I had a Special forces Dark (which was not like Crocketts ) which I bought from a friend. It was cool but the 1006 and 1066 were better overall guns so I parted with the Bren.

If it had been a "vice" model - full sized and chromed - them maybe I would still have it. Then again since I have moved on from the 10mm probably not.

[legion3]

Originally Posted by NeverMore1701

I really want a Colt Delta Elite. That's about the only platform I'd find a 10mm interesting in. Unless Beretta came out with a 10mm Px4 Storm, but that isn't likely to happen.

You know Colt could have done better with the DE when they re-introduced it. They could have upgraded it and given a newer makeover but all they really did was nothing but re-release the 80's gun.

And unfortunately the DE suffered from bad reputations and became the "gun" that was battered to pieces by the Norma and other over pressured ammo of that era. Which was pretty much all nonsense but perception is often reality.

Even today you still see questions like "is the 1911 platform" or the "Delta Elite" tough enough to stand the pounding. The vast majority of the ones in the past were but what can you do?

[mt920]

I would love to see Glock release a Gen4 Glock 20 this year. Maybe in July when my GSSF certificate is scheduled to arrive.

[joecoastie]

Originally Posted by alwaysshootin

My bad. Tazers, couldn't think of what they were called!

Oh, and not to mention, bean bag guns! Just a couple of tools to be used that are less than lethal. Wonder why they make them use them?

Because not every situation requires the use of deadly force.

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by legion3

You know Colt could have done better with the DE when they re-introduced it. They could have upgraded it and given a newer makeover but all they really did was nothing but re-release the 80's gun.

What are they going to upgrade it with? Front slide serration? Different checkering on the grip frame?

I'm glad that Colt released the gun as is. People who want to chop up their guns can still do it. People who want a simple M1911 without any doodads don't have to worry about having to undo things.

[gatorboy]

Originally Posted by mt920

I would love to see Glock release a Gen4 Glock 20 this year. Maybe in July when my GSSF certificate is scheduled to arrive.

It's on it's way.

Ten years ago before there were other poly 45's that were decent, we'd be hearing a ton about the G4 21. To my surprise there has been very little interest or excitement about it, even here on GT.

The best chance of a new 10mm IMO will be the M&P. S&W has supported it before and made some fine handguns chambered in it. Most over-built which is a good thing when not looking to shave ounces by using plastic. The FS should be 15+1 and the C should be 12-13+1. I base this on the size of the FS M&P 40 mags and Glock 23 mags which are the same size as the FS and C M&P 45 mags. I like how the M&P is designed and the FS 45 has a longer recoil rod than any pistol (of a few ) I own. Even pistols with 6" barrels. It should'nt be difficult to make that one run nicely in 10mm. It's also one of the few pistols reccommended for hotter .45 based rounds, along with the Glock 21.

[cablecutter]

I think the 10mm would become even more popular if there were more choices in a polymer frame. I agree a M&P would be the ticket and likely the company that would carry another 10mm firearm. Reason why I think it is on the rise is there are more and more people creating threads for the 10mm. I would say it is up there with the number of 357 sig threads I see IMO


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[legion3]

Originally Posted by gatorboy

It's on it's way.


The best chance of a new 10mm IMO will be the M&P. S&W has supported it before and made some fine handguns chambered in it.

And dropped it like a hot potato. Once the FBI dropped the 10mm its fate was sealed for LE contracts. Why they dropped it is not important, that they did is.

Not sure SW is sound enough finacially to venture out on a limb with a product that just won't sell in big numbers or to governemnt contracts. Their stock is still under $5 a share and they still have debt and credit issues. (Rugers stock is like $33 a share with far less debt)

If Smith is dropping the 357 SIG M&P which does have several state agencies using it why would you think they would venture down the 10mm road?

[legion3]

Originally Posted by cablecutter

I think the 10mm would become even more popular if there were more choices in a polymer frame. I agree a M&P would be the ticket and likely the company that would carry another 10mm firearm. Reason why I think it is on the rise is there are more and more people creating threads for the 10mm. I would say it is up there with the number of 357 sig threads I see IMO

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So your belief or hope is based on the number of threads on internet message boards? Based on that sampling you would believe SW or any company will tread down the 10mm path?

Hmmm

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by legion3

So your belief or hope is based on the number of threads on internet message boards? Based on that sampling you would believe SW or any company will tread down the 10mm path?

Hmmm

SW just released the M610 again. Safety lock and all.

[legion3]

Originally Posted by fnfalman

SW just released the M610 again. Safety lock and all.

A single model revolver that is simply a reintroduction is not much of a step.

Also they did not offer the 610 in all barrel lenghts and is it not a limited run gun?

That however, is a far cry from an M&P in 10mm .

[professorj]

Originally Posted by G26S239

A 1911 mfg will make a limited run at some point in the future. I don't see any evidence of more interest in 10mm now than there was 5 or 10 years ago.

Auto ordnance made a 10mm 1911 and Thompson did also.

Don't Tread On Me

[yellolab]

As this thread needs a pic, here are my 3 10mm's.

Kevin

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by legion3

A single model revolver that is simply a reintroduction is not much of a step.

Also they did not offer the 610 in all barrel lenghts and is it not a limited run gun?

That however, is a far cry from an M&P in 10mm .

One step at a time.

[CDW4ME]

I've done my little part in the recent rise, bought a 29 SF and have shot 300 rounds through it, details & picture posted here:

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1391034

[legion3]

Originally Posted by fnfalman

One step at a time.

Well that last step will be a doozy! And will likely be down the road more traveled not less.

[legion3]

A poster at HKpro asked in a recent thread "why no HK handgun in 10mm?"

some of the better responses,

Because it won't sell. If there are 10 people who want the round there are another 50,000 who don't give a rip. Companies have tried it, lost, and tossed the idea.

HK focuses on military / LEO market, which has zero interest in 10MM.

There's no large scale market for it. 10mm is one of my favorite calibers for sheer semi-auto power but it's just not popular enough. ..and with HK, no military demand means no market.

[esh325]

Don't yell at here, but these gelatin tests show the 10mm not being that much better then a .45 acp. Could this be why the 10mm isn't popular? All that additional recoil and muzzle blast for little performance increase? Yes, I understand it's only 1 load.
.45 acp http://brassfetcher.com/FlyingAshtray.html
10mm http://brassfetcher.com/10mmAuto180grRemJHP.html

[alwaysshootin]

Originally Posted by esh325

Don't yell at here, but these gelatin tests show the 10mm not being that much better then a .45 acp. Could this be why the 10mm isn't popular? All that additional recoil and muzzle blast for little performance increase? Yes, I understand it's only 1 load.
.45 acp http://brassfetcher.com/FlyingAshtray.html
10mm http://brassfetcher.com/10mmAuto180grRemJHP.html

The problem with this comparison, is first, Remington doesn't load a true 10 MM load! It's closer to a 40 load. Now when you compare some of double taps offerings, you will see no comparison!

[arushus]

Originally Posted by esh325

Don't yell at here, but these gelatin tests show the 10mm not being that much better then a .45 acp. Could this be why the 10mm isn't popular? All that additional recoil and muzzle blast for little performance increase? Yes, I understand it's only 1 load.
.45 acp http://brassfetcher.com/FlyingAshtray.html
10mm http://brassfetcher.com/10mmAuto180grRemJHP.html

The 10mm rounds they fired were traveling at around 1100fps. True 10mm 180gr rounds should be going over 1350fps, with a round designed to impact at that speed, not a .40sw round used in a 10mm case.

[esh325]

Originally Posted by arushus

The 10mm rounds they fired were traveling at around 1100fps. True 10mm 180gr rounds should be going over 1350fps, with a round designed to impact at that speed, not a .40sw round used in a 10mm case.

Interesting. Why do they underload 10mm?

[legion3]

Originally Posted by esh325

Interesting. Why do they underload 10mm?

All the major ammo makers underload the 10mm. If they make 10mm at all.

Liability, cost ratio and most people don't like the full power loads. Frankly most people don't shoot the 10mm.

If you want full power loads you must seek out the smaller boutique ammo makers or roll your own.

And be advised that Double Tap has had some QC issues with some versions of their ammo, bullet weights not matching the actual bullet, actual velocity not coming anywhere near advertised velocity and substituting montana gold bulets for Gold Dots but not telling you they did it.

That said most people seem satisfied with DT ammo but it has had its reported issues.

[Sheepdog Scout]

I'm not going to bother to read the entire three pages of this thread, but I'll say this. I like the 10mm cartridge and I own a G20. It can be a hoot to shoot. But honestly, I don't see where some in this thread that are saying that "10mm in on the rise". When many more ammo manufacturers come out with true 10mm loadings and more manufacturers come out with more guns in 10mm, then I'll believe people. Until then, the 10mm in an obscure or niche cartridge at best.

[FPS]

Originally Posted by GlockFish

I want a Ruger GP100 & SP101 in 10mm.

Check out the .41 Magnum.

.

[GFlory]

Originally Posted by Gamisouu

M&P 10mm Compact plz!

Put me on the waiting list for one of those.