10mm on the rise!! - Page 2

alwaysshootin · 12-29-2011, 17:59

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Originally Posted by blastfact

It is on the rise and I'm glad. It's a great caliber. The LSG's around here can't keep any currently or pass production 10mm weapon in stock. Everything on there standard stock orders are sold and used weapons never last more than a day or so under glass.

There are more custom ammo manufactures coming online supplying great full power well made, safe 10mm ammo. Priced well might I add. I even see 10mm whimpy ass .40 S&W class junk in Wal-Mart every once in awhile. And at a couple of local farm and ranch store's. And as always match grade full power and above 10mm ammo is only a reloading bench away.

If you want a mag. class auto pistol load? 10mm is the way to go! And more shooters are finding that out and embracing it.

Well said, and I agree! You actually found 10's in a walmart?

Surely, that is a true sign the 10 is on the rise!

HKLovingIT · 12-29-2011, 18:00

It's because of the link I posted to that kid's 10mm video.

Here is a link to a pretty recent video over at Gun Blast all about 10mm for you guys:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-ClEZPs8os

esh325 · 12-29-2011, 18:01

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Originally Posted by alwaysshootin

My bad. Tazers, couldn't think of what they were called!

Oh, and not to mention, bean bag guns! Just a couple of tools to be used that are less than lethal. Wonder why they make them use them?

Taser or stun gun, doesn't matter. What does it have to do with the 10mm not being used by LE?

legion3 · 12-29-2011, 18:05

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Originally Posted by alwaysshootin

I'll have to disagree. It wasn't "that" population, for the most part, that rejected the 10. It was rejected for them, LE, and military for sure. Most have been handed stun guns, to use in the field. So, I think that tells the tale on why they aren't allowed the use of the 10!

Um no!

The shooting public at large has rejected the 10mm. For many reasons not just that it failed to catch on in Law enforcement. 357 Sig and 45GAP are likely to have a longer LE career than the 10mm had.

When any of the major LE ammo makers puts out a 10mm round in Ranger, HST, Gold Dot, then I will believe its on the rise.

When any company other than a 1911 maker (that have alredy put them out) puts out a new platform let me know.

fnfalman · 12-29-2011, 18:07

Is Miami Vice TV series on the rerun again?

legion3 · 12-29-2011, 18:12

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Originally Posted by blastfact

It is on the rise and I'm glad. It's a great caliber. The LSG's around here can't keep any currently or pass production 10mm weapon in stock. Everything on there standard stock orders are sold and used weapons never last more than a day or so under glass.

There are more custom ammo manufactures coming online supplying great full power well made, safe 10mm ammo. Priced well might I add. I even see 10mm whimpy ass .40 S&W class junk in Wal-Mart every once in awhile. And at a couple of local farm and ranch store's. And as always match grade full power and above 10mm ammo is only a reloading bench away.

If you want a mag. class auto pistol load? 10mm is the way to go! And more shooters are finding that out and embracing it.

Nonsense

They can't keep them in stock because they are so few in numbers to begin with and the 10mm fanatics jump on them like they may not see another one...which they might!

Try selling one at a gun store or gun show around here, might as well be selling a dirty diaper. Unless you hit the one 10mm fan running around.

Who are these new custom ammo makers? DT, Swamp Fox, Buffalo Bore are know who else? And what is "priced well"?

Embracing it? Well the why aren't the big manufactures added 10mm's to their lineups? Afterall if their is so much profit in it why not?

legion3 · 12-29-2011, 18:14

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Originally Posted by fnfalman

Is Miami Vice TV series on the rerun again?

Only seasons 1 and 2

A 45 took over after that

Glockz0r · 12-29-2011, 18:14

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Originally Posted by legion3

Who are these new custom ammo makers? DT, Swamp Fox, Buffalo Bore are know who else? And what is "priced well"?

Swamp Fox has passed away however Underwood has gained a great rep for full power loads.

45 Cal · 12-29-2011, 18:15

I love my G29....just cant afford to shoot it.

legion3 · 12-29-2011, 18:20

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Originally Posted by Glockz0r

Swamp Fox has passed away however Underwood has gained a great rep for full power loads.

Yes I have heard of underwood, but one is not "more" as in "a lot" are coming online.

Corbon and Hornady are the only big name makers of SD 10mm (oh and the silvertips and hydra shoks, I guess, but the price of those have sure gone up!) am I correct?

A quick look on ammo to go shows few SD choices and even fewer FMJ choices. Hmm.

alwaysshootin · 12-29-2011, 18:23

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Originally Posted by legion3

Um no!

The shooting public at large has rejected the 10mm. For many reasons not just that it failed to catch on in Law enforcement. 357 Sig and 45GAP are likely to have a longer LE career than the 10mm had.

When any of the major LE ammo makers puts out a 10mm round in Ranger, HST, Gold Dot, then I will believe its on the rise.

First of all I disagree that the shooting public at large has rejected the 10. More here feel as I do, in this post, that there is a growing 10 fan base.

As far as the Ranger, HST, and Gold Dot, manufacturing 10MM ammo, it probably isn't going to happen. Mostly because, unlike other calibers, that type of bullet construction isn't needed to become an adequate choice in caliber!

michael e · 12-29-2011, 18:31

I would like to see someone offer a 1911 10mm for a reasonable price, a full size and snubby revolver too.

cowboy1964 · 12-29-2011, 19:07

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Originally Posted by Ridgeway

I'd love a 10mm M&P. But realistically I'd say a limited run 1911 is about all we will get for the foreseeable future.
It may be on the rise on some of the forums, but we are still in the minority of gun owners. I doubt there is enough interest to get a major manufacturer to tool up for what would be a low volume product.
Just look @ HK essentially phasing out .357 sig (I believe).

Yep. I think S&W is doing away with it for the M&Ps too? Not sure. Not sure why HK is abandoning it. It's just a barrel change.

legion3 · 12-29-2011, 19:15

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Originally Posted by alwaysshootin

First of all I disagree that the shooting public at large has rejected the 10. More here feel as I do, in this post, that there is a growing 10 fan base.

As far as the Ranger, HST, and Gold Dot, manufacturing 10MM ammo, it probably isn't going to happen. Mostly because, unlike other calibers, that type of bullet construction isn't needed to become an adequate choice in caliber!

Well you may disagree but the bean counters at most of the major (and minor) handgun (or any gun) makers don't seem to get the same polling data you have. One of you is wrong

If it sold they would make it. Glock probably sells more 10mm's than anyone and what is the figure on those sales? I bet glock knows exactly how many to make in a year to be profitable, and they probably make very few extras.

A growing fan base is not all that is required to keep a franchise from failing. In the gun world big contracts somewhere are needed to keep the ball rolling.
With no LE or military demand anywhere in the world, it would take a huge leap of faith for any maker to try to push that ball.

And I know this may come as a shock but not everyone wants a 1911, a SA platform, especially one that runs 1K and up and most of the 1911 fanatics I know would not want one in 10mm if it were given to them.

Your right what is needed to be an adequate choice in 10mm is either a lot of money to buy small maker boutique ammo or a reloading bench. And the vast, vast majority of shooters will never reload and don't wish to spend big $ on speciality ammo.

If you do reload then the 10mm is a fantastic round but most don't and most won't unless they are forced to at some point.

svtpwnz · 12-29-2011, 19:23

How about a Kahr MK10. Haha, the MK40 is a handful already, I could only imagine a MK10. I would in all seriousness love to see a HK USP compact in 10 mm with a stainless slide.

legion3 · 12-29-2011, 19:35

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Originally Posted by cowboy1964

Yep. I think S&W is doing away with it for the M&Ps too? Not sure. Not sure why HK is abandoning it. It's just a barrel change.

At the HK forums the general consense is lack of sales and big contracts and HK just not pushing the product very hard (or some variation of all 3).

Sig and Glock seem to have the lion share of the 357sig police contracts and HK's price point does not help out civilian sales.

The HK guys seem to be scrambling to get them before they are gone.

with regards to SW and the discontinue of the M&P 357 sig, which does have several police contracts, the following was posted at another board,

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I talked with the Smith Reps at the NRA Convention concerning the M&P 357. They confirmed that general production of 357 pistols has stopped. Limited runs of M&P 357 will be made for law enforcement only upon request or with limited stock.

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Their reason was simply low sales volume equals low profit.

Take that FWIW.

01coltcolt · 12-29-2011, 22:01

HK destroyed the mold.....................

The MP5/10 platform was the perfect 10mm intent!

GlockFish · 12-29-2011, 22:12

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Originally Posted by svtpwnz

How about a Kahr MK10. Haha, the MK40 is a handful already, I could only imagine a MK10. I would in all seriousness love to see a HK USP compact in 10 mm with a stainless slide.

A kahr 10mm? Single stack, full size, all steel, slim, 10mm. 7 or 8 round mags.

It would be labeled the Kahr T10. Very similar to the full size Kahr T9.
I'd buy one. Damn right, I would.

Tiro Fijo · 12-29-2011, 22:53

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Originally Posted by GlockFish

A kahr 10mm? Single stack, full size, all steel, slim, 10mm. 7 or 8 round mags.

It would be labeled the Kahr T10. Very similar to the full size Kahr T9.
I'd buy one. Damn right, I would.

You'd need a shock absorber off a Catepillar to act as a recoil spring!!

10mm Sonny · 12-30-2011, 00:04

MIAMI VICE will never die!

I want a XDm-10

carbuncle · 12-30-2011, 00:11

I got a reloading setup for Christmas, so the G20 made to jump up to the short list along with a .45 LC Redhawk. Both rounds are too rich for my blood if I have to pay retail for ammo, but reloading changes the equation.

legion3 · 12-30-2011, 00:29

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Originally Posted by 10mm Sonny

MIAMI VICE will never die!
I want a XDm-10

No it won't!!!

And you have more chance of getting a Bren Ten (oh not the Vltor one but the real Dornus & Dixon) than getting an XDM in 10.

legion3 · 12-30-2011, 00:32

And while I'm at it here is a cool letter concerning the best 10 platform, at least that I owned, and just how many are floating about.

10mm Sonny · 12-30-2011, 01:33

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Originally Posted by legion3

And you have more chance of getting a Bren Ten (oh not the Vltor one but the real Dornus & Dixon) than getting an XDM in 10.

Saw one today at my LGS for $3,999.

**NeverMore1701** · 12-30-2011, 02:27

I really want a Colt Delta Elite. That's about the only platform I'd find a 10mm interesting in. Unless Beretta came out with a 10mm Px4 Storm, but that isn't likely to happen.