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Old 12-08-2011, 18:03   #126
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That's why I buy over internet only when merchant accepts PayPal.
It's much safer, merchant does not see your CC numbers neither they travel through internet lines.
I agree it's safer, but a lot of people screw up ordering that way. Most common is clicking pay at paypal but not waiting to be directed back to the store site to complete the sale. They also take a little more for themselves than credit card companies do. One other bad thing is with paypal you pay right away. If there is a delay (lets say 1 week) you're still charged when you place the order, usually. I to hate how clunky it is but better safe I guess.(my 2cents)

I worked in high end restaurants for years, I'm sure I've personally been handed credit cards by tens of thousands of people over the years. I take the card, walk away with it and come back with one of the little books for you to sign the slip. I could have stolen everyone of the numbers but I never did.

Recently a bunch of waiters and bartenders in NY were arrested for doing just that. A card swiper can fit in your palm and take all your data in less than a second. Hackers have stolen millions of cards that were used at retail store just by hacking there computers. So it's not just online.

Then they sell 100 numbers or what ever to a middleman who sells them online in forums such as this. $5-10 for a working card with billing address account information. Many fraud orders I find have the correct bill to name and address, sometime they even give the real card holders phone number. I personally called hundreds of people to tell them that there credit card has been stolen. I don't have to but I think it's the right thing to do.
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Old 12-12-2011, 16:38   #127
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I am not kidding when I say the Subway workers were I like are all eastern European, (one from Romania) Keep this in mind when you read this story

Romanian hackers charged in Subway sandwich card-swipe scheme

More than 80,000 credit cards hit at over 150 Subway restaurants



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45643520.../#.TuaPk1bntUM
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Old 12-12-2011, 17:48   #128
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Your not going to believe this...I received and activated my new card on the 8th. Used it three times, once to a gunparts store, once to another gun parts store, and once with Underwood. I got a call this morning, a mere 4 days after activation that my card had been hacked again. Unfreakin believible.

I've run every type of virus and malware software on my computer and it comes back clean. Don't get me wrong, I've been hit before. Usually it happens about once a year. Twice in 4 days???? Unheard of. Little pieces of elephant dung. I hope they get a bad case of the crabs, slip in the shower, and break their necks.
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Old 12-12-2011, 17:59   #129
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Your not going to believe this...I received and activated my new card on the 8th. Used it three times, once to a gunparts store, once to another gun parts store, and once with Underwood. I got a call this morning, a mere 4 days after activation that my card had been hacked again. Unfreakin believible.

I've run every type of virus and malware software on my computer and it comes back clean. Don't get me wrong, I've been hit before. Usually it happens about once a year. Twice in 4 days???? Unheard of. Little pieces of elephant dung. I hope they get a bad case of the crabs, slip in the shower, and break their necks.
Wow...that's sux. I guess I've been lucky. I have a low limit credit card(I think 2000) that I use for all on line purchases.
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Old 12-12-2011, 19:05   #131
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In hopes of getting this thread back on topic... I plan on shooting some of Underwood's 180gr and 165gr JHP 10mm tomorrow out of my G20 w/ stock barrel. I will also be switching between stock spring and a #22 ISMI on a LW S/S guide rod just to see and feel the difference. Wish me luck in finding my brass.

It will be my first time shooting 10mm (traded for the G20 a couple weeks ago).
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Old 12-13-2011, 01:53   #132
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I just ordered some 200gr xtp and some 165gr jhp from underwood, cant wait to try them out!
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Old 12-13-2011, 02:46   #133
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In hopes of getting this thread back on topic... I plan on shooting some of Underwood's 180gr and 165gr JHP 10mm tomorrow out of my G20 w/ stock barrel. I will also be switching between stock spring and a #22 ISMI on a LW S/S guide rod just to see and feel the difference. Wish me luck in finding my brass.

It will be my first time shooting 10mm (traded for the G20 a couple weeks ago).
If the brass does stay in the same zip code you shoot from and you do find the cases, please also fill us in on any possible smilies and/or flattened primers.

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Old 12-13-2011, 03:26   #134
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All these fraudulent charges is ridiculous, I just had some also. I placed an order there early monday morning, and later that day two charges I know I didnt make hit my card, one from a place called fileserve, and one from yahoo flickr. Whatever it is that is causing all of these fraudulent charges, or I should say Whoever iscausing all these charges, it is really frustrating....I know how all of you feel!
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Old 12-13-2011, 09:35   #135
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Not long after ordering my last batch of Underwood ammo, I too was a victim of fraudulent cc charges from overseas. I see a pattern here and don't think it's a coincidence. I suspect Underwood's website is not secure. We need to bring this to Kevin's attention.
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Not long after ordering my last batch of Underwood ammo, I too was a victim of fraudulent cc charges from overseas. I see a pattern here and don't think it's a coincidence. I suspect Underwood's website is not secure. We need to bring this to Kevin's attention.
Kevin is aware and is checking with his web designer as I write this.
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Old 12-13-2011, 10:38   #137
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That's really too bad, as if small business owners didn't have enough to deal with...I went through this with another small ammo company, (not Underwood) my card was "hacked" two-three times.

My bank covered me, but still a PIA.
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Old 12-13-2011, 16:45   #138
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If the brass does stay in the same zip code you shoot from and you do find the cases, please also fill us in on any possible smilies and/or flattened primers.

Good Shooting!
Today was a great day for shooting.... above freezing and no wind. I was able to find all 85 empties out of 85 rounds shot (saving the last 15 rounds for emergencies). The 10mm full power round is very impressive and is teaching me I need more work on my grip. I had couple brass eject to the left and one failure to eject during a mag dump that tore the brass lip but I chalk those up to not keeping a proper hold on the gun. After looking at all the empties I had a lot of glock smiles but also a few that didn't have a smile at all. I kept the #22 spring in the gun after 1 shot with the stock spring (that one round did not have a smile). The primers on all rounds were intact and looked normal.

Here are a couple pics...this is a G20 Gen3 with stock barrel. The brass pictured below were typical of the rest of the brass save a few that did not have a smile but slight bulges that one would expect with stock barrel.

The 10 Ring
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Accuracy was all over the place as I was freehand firing with a new (to me) gun and I am still getting used to the 10mm round & non-SF frame (or I'm just a terrible shot).
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I couldnt tell you for sure if that brass is reloadable or not, hopefully somebody who reloads will chime in as far as that goes...it might besome good practice for your accuracy if you get a .40sw conversion barrel and practice with .40cal, since it is a little more tame.
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I couldnt tell you for sure if that brass is reloadable or not, hopefully somebody who reloads will chime in as far as that goes...it might besome good practice for your accuracy if you get a .40sw conversion barrel and practice with .40cal, since it is a little more tame.
I am a decent shot with a G19 and G22 so I'm thinking the combo of 10mm recoil and larger frame is my issue. I am willing to drop the $$$ on full power 10mm to practice with because this is the reason I traded for a G20 in the first place.

Aftermarket barrels are in the cards for the future but for I also have my eyes on a G29SF so I might hold off till I have my ducks in a row till I decide what barrels to get for which gun.

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A large majority have a line.

But I am not into reloading so other then potential sell/trading value its not a big loss on my end.

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Those won't reload worth a darn. That's the reason I bought a lone wolf barrel. You could see if Underwood would reload them for you, but I tried running some of mine that look like that through a RCBS rockchucker single stage and it just crushes them.
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Today was a great day for shooting.... above freezing and no wind. I was able to find all 85 empties out of 85 rounds shot (saving the last 15 rounds for emergencies). The 10mm full power round is very impressive and is teaching me I need more work on my grip. I had couple brass eject to the left and one failure to eject during a mag dump that tore the brass lip but I chalk those up to not keeping a proper hold on the gun. After looking at all the empties I had a lot of glock smiles but also a few that didn't have a smile at all. I kept the #22 spring in the gun after 1 shot with the stock spring (that one round did not have a smile). The primers on all rounds were intact and looked normal.

Here are a couple pics...this is a G20 Gen3 with stock barrel. The brass pictured below were typical of the rest of the brass save a few that did not have a smile but slight bulges that one would expect with stock barrel.

Accuracy was all over the place as I was freehand firing with a new (to me) gun and I am still getting used to the 10mm round & non-SF frame (or I'm just a terrible shot).
TYVM for sharing, and with great pics!

Would have been great if you would have a chronograph for some velocity comparison to Underwood's claims, then again, since your shooting needs a little work maybe good you didn't just yet for the off chance you may have had to replace some chrono parts.

To all you 10mm reloading specialists out there, what say you about the primers in the pics? Flattened? Not bad? I've got some DT nickle plated cases that have flattened primers in them but don't feel I've looked at enough to make judgement on the ones in the pic from Glockz0r. Thoughts?
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Kevin is aware and is checking with his web designer as I write this.
On the phone most of today with my web-designer/host of the network... I'm not a web developer and am not completely savvy with all of the terminology, but to the best of my understanding the problem is this...
Our original website was not "secure" and had no real reason to be being that there was no shopping cart or any kind of information to post, upload, etc. Had any of you bookmarked the previous site (which was the same web address) and had it on your favorites to revisit? They are telling me that is one way in. That with the new site being secure the bookmark coding would allow the old links to come in through the security. Also, that it has already been updated and resolved so that way is no longer possible

Again - I'm not a computer wizard, so my phrasing and terminology may be off here, but I hope you get the point. Any other information you can give me would be appreciated. The amount of disappointment I have in the company I hired to design this site cannot be put accurately into words that are fitting to be posted on a public forum.

If the three of you (arushus, post-apocalyptic, rcd567) and any others experiencing similar fraudulent charges - could also private message me, or email the business account I do have a bit of information for you. My deepest apologies for this headache!
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TYVM for sharing, and with great pics!

Would have been great if you would have a chronograph for some velocity comparison to Underwood's claims, then again, since your shooting needs a little work maybe good you didn't just yet for the off chance you may have had to replace some chrono parts.

To all you 10mm reloading specialists out there, what say you about the primers in the pics? Flattened? Not bad? I've got some DT nickle plated cases that have flattened primers in them but don't feel I've looked at enough to make judgement on the ones in the pic from Glockz0r. Thoughts?
I took a look at the brass again, and after googling what to look for, I have to say the primers are indeed flattened. All 165gr that I've fired have flat primers while the 180gr are half and half. I also observed that the 180gr brass has very minor smiles or no smiles at all while the 165gr is almost all creased.
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I took a look at the brass again, and after googling what to look for, I have to say the primers are indeed flattened. All 165gr that I've fired have flat primers while the 180gr are half and half. I also observed that the 180gr brass has very minor smiles or no smiles at all while the 165gr is almost all creased.
Thanks for the update and clarification between the two different loads. I meant to ask about the two different loads possibly differing but forgot when I submitted my last post.

Here are DT 135gr loads showing 2 primers flattened to different degrees compared to a new unfired one, the 2 shot from my G29 (100% bone stock). Most of the cases didn't have flattened primers noticeable to ME, just a few out of 100. More and more lately I'm keeping a close eye on pressure sign type stuff.

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On the phone most of today with my web-designer/host of the network... I'm not a web developer and am not completely savvy with all of the terminology, but to the best of my understanding the problem is this...
Our original website was not "secure" and had no real reason to be being that there was no shopping cart or any kind of information to post, upload, etc. Had any of you bookmarked the previous site (which was the same web address) and had it on your favorites to revisit? They are telling me that is one way in. That with the new site being secure the bookmark coding would allow the old links to come in through the security. Also, that it has already been updated and resolved so that way is no longer possible

Again - I'm not a computer wizard, so my phrasing and terminology may be off here, but I hope you get the point. Any other information you can give me would be appreciated. The amount of disappointment I have in the company I hired to design this site cannot be put accurately into words that are fitting to be posted on a public forum.

If the three of you (arushus, post-apocalyptic, rcd567) and any others experiencing similar fraudulent charges - could also private message me, or email the business account I do have a bit of information for you. My deepest apologies for this headache!
Speaking for myself, thank you for your prompt attention regarding this issue. Talk about fantastic and responsive customer service. Bravo, Kevin!

I will PM you to share details soonish... right now I am partying my gringo a$s off in the Dominican Republic and my internet access is "fair" and infrequent at best.

I'll be back in los Estados Unidos in less than a week.
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Not long after ordering my last batch of Underwood ammo, I too was a victim of fraudulent cc charges from overseas. I see a pattern here and don't think it's a coincidence. I suspect Underwood's website is not secure. We need to bring this to Kevin's attention.
My malware/anti virus protection and web browser won't even let me go on their site. I sure as hell ain't ordering anything online, but would like to make a purchase over the phone if possible. Unless Kevin is the culprit...just kidding.

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...I sure as hell ain't ordering anything online, but would like to make a purchase over the phone if possible. Unless Kevin is the culprit...just kidding.
Ha..ha. Not funny, man.

Underwood Ammo's been a godsend for me, since I don't reload and want decently priced full-power 10mm.

What anti-malware program and browser do you use?
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Speaking for myself, thank you for your prompt attention regarding this issue. Talk about fantastic and responsive customer service. Bravo, Kevin!

I will PM you to share details soonish... right now I am partying my gringo a$s off in the Dominican Republic and my internet access is "fair" and infrequent at best.

I'll be back in los Estados Unidos in less than a week.
I agree! The customer service their is great! Other companies should take a cue from him!
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