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Old 11-22-2011, 15:26   #51
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OK, who is the guilty one? I get an email from Underwood saying the 135 gr. 10mm is available. I didn't see it for a couple hours. By the time I get to the website, they are sold out.

Which one of you bought all they had??????????
I ordered (backordered) two boxes on 11/15, however my order is still pending ("received" status). I only orderd two boxes so I didn't do it!
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Old 11-22-2011, 16:53   #52
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We need to lobby Kevin Underwood to make a 200grn hardcast, or even a 230grn.
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Old 11-22-2011, 17:20   #53
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We need to lobby Kevin Underwood to make a 200grn hardcast, or even a 230grn.

I would love to know the thinking of 220gr vs 230gr in 10mm. DT offers a 230gr cartridge (don't know if it is really 230gr though), however Buffalo Bore states that 220gr is the biggest you can use in the 10mm.

Don't know who to believe and what their logic is.

I have even read about bullet tumbling from 230gr DTs.

The more I get into all of this, the more I want to reload!

But yes, I think Underwood (Keith I believe is his name) has a great opportunity here.
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Old 11-22-2011, 18:42   #54
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I would love to know the thinking of 220gr vs 230gr in 10mm. DT offers a 230gr cartridge (don't know if it is really 230gr though), however Buffalo Bore states that 220gr is the biggest you can use in the 10mm.

Don't know who to believe and what their logic is.

I have even read about bullet tumbling from 230gr DTs.

The more I get into all of this, the more I want to reload!

But yes, I think Underwood (Keith I believe is his name) has a great opportunity here.
From what I've seen, (Hickok45's videos), any 10mm bullet heavier than 220gr will tumble when fired from a Glock barrel.. but the aftermarket barrels will stabilize up to 230gr, (because of the difference in rifling).

I'll stick with my Glock barrels and bullets 220gr or lighter. They get it done just fine.
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Old 11-22-2011, 19:03   #55
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Awesome I gotta give em a try, I just picked up a 22lb captured recoil spring assembly for my G20Sf
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Old 11-22-2011, 19:36   #56
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From what I've seen, (Hickok45's videos), any 10mm bullet heavier than 220gr will tumble when fired from a Glock barrel.. but the aftermarket barrels will stabilize up to 230gr, (because of the difference in rifling).
I was going to say that. Aftermarket barrel for a 230gr. A hunting/animal defense round.

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According the business card in my lap his name is Kevin. I've got a lot of his .45acp 230gn JHP and FMJ and 10mm 180gn JHP rounds in storage (and in my guns).
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Old 11-22-2011, 21:23   #57
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I was going to say that. Aftermarket barrel for a 230gr. A hunting/animal defense round.

According the business card in my lap his name is Kevin. I've got a lot of his .45acp 230gn JHP and FMJ and 10mm 180gn JHP rounds in storage (and in my guns).
That is right... my mistake. I remember seeing that now that you mention it. Thanks.
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Old 11-26-2011, 21:37   #58
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135s are back in stock, at least for now. I just ordered 200rnds myself.
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Old 11-28-2011, 14:23   #59
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Is there consensus on what the bullets are uses? I hear maybe Montana, maybe Winchester, ??????

Also what are you guys using the 135grn for ? Just curious.

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Old 11-28-2011, 14:33   #60
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Is there consensus on what the bullets are uses? I hear maybe Montana, maybe Winchester, ??????

Also what are you guys using the 135grn for ? Just curious.

Kevin
He said in another thread he uses winchester hollowpoints, not sure about fmj's...

I use 135 for home defense, it pretty much blows up when it hits anything, so less of a chance they'll overpenetrate and hurt someone...
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Old 11-28-2011, 15:11   #61
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So 135: home defense
180- deer
200- bear, sasquatch, boar

Where does the 165 fit ?

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Old 11-28-2011, 15:18   #62
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So 135: home defense
180- deer
200- bear, sasquatch, boar

Where does the 165 fit ?
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Carry..
The 165 comes the closest to the Winner of the 1987 FBI tests. It's more of an all round weight. Better barrier round than the lighter ones in case you have to shoot through a windshield or automobile panel. Back then they showed the 170 Norma round traveling about 1300fps to be superior "overall" in the testing. They shot through auto glass, plywood, layers of sheet metal, and different densities of clothing and still penetrate ballistic gel a minimum of 12".

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Old 11-28-2011, 18:46   #64
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I would like to get some hot gold dots in 165gn for carry this winter, anyone know if underwood can do custom loadings?
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Old 11-28-2011, 19:05   #65
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The 165 comes the closest to the Winner of the 1987 FBI tests. It's more of an all round weight. Better barrier round than the lighter ones in case you have to shoot through a windshield or automobile panel. Back then they showed the 170 Norma round traveling about 1300fps to be superior "overall" in the testing. They shot through auto glass, plywood, layers of sheet metal, and different densities of clothing and still penetrate ballistic gel a minimum of 12".

This is my main round.
I saw your review on the Underwood ammo site. I will be purchasing some 165's from them in the future. Are you running the 165's with the OEM Glock barrel?
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I saw your review on the Underwood ammo site. I will be purchasing some 165's from them in the future. Are you running the 165's with the OEM Glock barrel?
I am! Brass came out fine. I did buy a Lone Wolf barrel and will test that with them too. My Glock barrel leaves a pretty good size bulge in all cases I shoot out of it. The Underwoods were no different. Since I reload some too, I wanted a tighter chamber so the brass would last longer. There were no smilies in any of the cases from Underwood.

Also not sure about custom loading Gold Dots since they already have the 165 gr. Golden Saber round.

I need to order some more and might throw in some 180 or 200 if they get them done in time so I can shoot a deer with it.
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I would like to get some hot gold dots in 165gn for carry this winter, anyone know if underwood can do custom loadings?
We're working on adding Gold Dot to our entire production line. 10mm will be the first to get them.
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We're working on adding Gold Dot to our entire production line. 10mm will be the first to get them.
Mr. Underwood, you are making some very good and long term friends here on the 10 ring. Again, welcome to the forum.
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We're working on adding Gold Dot to our entire production line. 10mm will be the first to get them.
Outstanding!!!!! I can not wait to get my noslers. I have to say you ship extremely fast, I ordered last night and they went out first thing today. Thanks again.
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We're working on adding Gold Dot to our entire production line. 10mm will be the first to get them.
I gladly stand corrected. The gold dots will be great. Although I'm certain the plain old Winchester JHP will stop any street monster I come across. The bonded bullet is just a wee bit more insurance especially if shooting through a barrier.

Oh, and Mr. Underwood...my wife is going to hate you eventually.
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Oh, and Mr. Underwood...my wife is going to hate you eventually.
No Wife here but I will say the same thing about underwood ammo that I said about Guitar center the first time I was ever in one....I can see this place draining my bank account very quickly.

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I practice with 180gr. FMJ and BVAC at 100fps less is alot cheaper than underwood. 500 for 175$ I have had no problems with the last 9 or 10,000 rounds. Does anyone know of a better training ammo?
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I practice with 180gr. FMJ and BVAC at 100fps less is alot cheaper than underwood. 500 for 175$ I have had no problems with the last 9 or 10,000 rounds. Does anyone know of a better training ammo?
I guess I have a different outlook. I don't shoot a lot at the range with my Glock 20 but when I do, I want to shoot the same ammo that will be protecting my life so that not only will I be familiar with it, but, I can also develop a trust in it. What Mr. Underwood is charging for premium ammo, it is a small price to pay for what could mean me or my wife living or dying. If I wanted to shoot a lot at paper, to save money, I would get a .22 long rifle.

PS: At 55 yrs. old, training for me was a lifetime ago. At this point and time, it is just a matter of me keeping in tune every now and then. So my views could be that of a crusty old dude.
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I saw your review on the Underwood ammo site. I will be purchasing some 165's from them in the future. Are you running the 165's with the OEM Glock barrel?
I've run more than a few 165gr JHP Underwood 10mm rnds through both my stock '20 barrel and my 6" Glock Hunter. All functioned flawlessly and only some of the fired casings have any discernable hint of a "Glock smile". On those casings; the "smiles" are barely visible, not easily photographed, and have little to no effect on reloadablility... i.e. the 165gr JHP Underwood rnds are loaded to the original full-power, (or full house), 10mm specs, as all Underwood 10mm rnds are.

They're currently my favorite rnd to shoot, (I won't get my 135gr nosler JHP Underwood rnds till Friday ), very versatile and extremely damaging to anything they're fired at... although the best rnd, (of the various factory 10mm I've fired), for turning cover into concealment is Underwood's 180gr FMJ, (>1300 fps)!
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I guess I have a different outlook. I don't shoot a lot at the range with my Glock 20 but when I do, I want to shoot the same ammo that will be protecting my life so that not only will I be familiar with it, but, I can also develop a trust in it. What Mr. Underwood is charging for premium ammo, it is a small price to pay for what could mean me or my wife living or dying. If I wanted to shoot a lot at paper, to save money, I would get a .22 long rifle.

PS: At 55 yrs. old, training for me was a lifetime ago. At this point and time, it is just a matter of me keeping in tune every now and then. So my views could be that of a crusty old dude.
My edc ammo is DT 180gr. bonded defence at 1305fps. Draw from IWB and a shoot controlled under time pressure I dought if most could find or feel the difference including POI,bullet rise or drop ,recoil control,target aquisition on second shot.
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