GlockTalk.com
Home Forums Classifieds Blogs Today's Posts Search Social Groups



  
SIGN-UP
Notices

Glock Talk
Welcome To The Glock Talk Forums.

 
  
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-28-2011, 16:11   #61
yellolab
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Vermont
Posts: 774
So 135: home defense
180- deer
200- bear, sasquatch, boar

Where does the 165 fit ?

Kevin
__________________
You have received an infraction at Glock Talk.
Reason: Insulted Other Member(s)
This infraction is worth 1 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.
yellolab is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2011, 16:18   #62
4949shooter
Senior Member
 
4949shooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: New Jersey Republik
Posts: 13,032


Quote:
Originally Posted by yellolab View Post
So 135: home defense
180- deer
200- bear, sasquatch, boar

Where does the 165 fit ?
Kevin
Carry..
__________________
"...the men under your command deserve your leadership."-OXCOPS
4949shooter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2011, 19:34   #63
rcd567
Senior Member
 
rcd567's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Near Glenwood, Iowa
Posts: 323
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4949shooter View Post
Carry..
The 165 comes the closest to the Winner of the 1987 FBI tests. It's more of an all round weight. Better barrier round than the lighter ones in case you have to shoot through a windshield or automobile panel. Back then they showed the 170 Norma round traveling about 1300fps to be superior "overall" in the testing. They shot through auto glass, plywood, layers of sheet metal, and different densities of clothing and still penetrate ballistic gel a minimum of 12".

This is my main round.
__________________
Don't pick a fight with an old man, if he's too tired to fight, he'll just kill you.
rcd567 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2011, 19:46   #64
awdxtc
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: PA
Posts: 380
I would like to get some hot gold dots in 165gn for carry this winter, anyone know if underwood can do custom loadings?
awdxtc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2011, 20:05   #65
4949shooter
Senior Member
 
4949shooter's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: New Jersey Republik
Posts: 13,032


Quote:
Originally Posted by rcd567 View Post
The 165 comes the closest to the Winner of the 1987 FBI tests. It's more of an all round weight. Better barrier round than the lighter ones in case you have to shoot through a windshield or automobile panel. Back then they showed the 170 Norma round traveling about 1300fps to be superior "overall" in the testing. They shot through auto glass, plywood, layers of sheet metal, and different densities of clothing and still penetrate ballistic gel a minimum of 12".

This is my main round.
I saw your review on the Underwood ammo site. I will be purchasing some 165's from them in the future. Are you running the 165's with the OEM Glock barrel?
__________________
"...the men under your command deserve your leadership."-OXCOPS

Last edited by 4949shooter; 11-28-2011 at 20:07..
4949shooter is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2011, 20:54   #66
rcd567
Senior Member
 
rcd567's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Near Glenwood, Iowa
Posts: 323
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4949shooter View Post
I saw your review on the Underwood ammo site. I will be purchasing some 165's from them in the future. Are you running the 165's with the OEM Glock barrel?
I am! Brass came out fine. I did buy a Lone Wolf barrel and will test that with them too. My Glock barrel leaves a pretty good size bulge in all cases I shoot out of it. The Underwoods were no different. Since I reload some too, I wanted a tighter chamber so the brass would last longer. There were no smilies in any of the cases from Underwood.

Also not sure about custom loading Gold Dots since they already have the 165 gr. Golden Saber round.

I need to order some more and might throw in some 180 or 200 if they get them done in time so I can shoot a deer with it.
__________________
Don't pick a fight with an old man, if he's too tired to fight, he'll just kill you.
rcd567 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2011, 22:18   #67
kjunderwood
Member
 
kjunderwood's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Charleston, WV
Posts: 62
Quote:
Originally Posted by awdxtc View Post
I would like to get some hot gold dots in 165gn for carry this winter, anyone know if underwood can do custom loadings?
We're working on adding Gold Dot to our entire production line. 10mm will be the first to get them.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

Find us on
To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.
kjunderwood is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2011, 22:43   #68
inspectorjj
Senior Member
 
inspectorjj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Sunny Southern California
Posts: 213
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjunderwood View Post
We're working on adding Gold Dot to our entire production line. 10mm will be the first to get them.
Mr. Underwood, you are making some very good and long term friends here on the 10 ring. Again, welcome to the forum.
__________________
Comparing a 10MM to a .45 is like comparing Major League Baseball to Softball. One of them anybody can do and the other is strictly for men......JJ
inspectorjj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2011, 23:04   #69
awdxtc
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: PA
Posts: 380
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjunderwood View Post
We're working on adding Gold Dot to our entire production line. 10mm will be the first to get them.
Outstanding!!!!! I can not wait to get my noslers. I have to say you ship extremely fast, I ordered last night and they went out first thing today. Thanks again.
awdxtc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2011, 23:22   #70
rcd567
Senior Member
 
rcd567's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Near Glenwood, Iowa
Posts: 323
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjunderwood View Post
We're working on adding Gold Dot to our entire production line. 10mm will be the first to get them.
I gladly stand corrected. The gold dots will be great. Although I'm certain the plain old Winchester JHP will stop any street monster I come across. The bonded bullet is just a wee bit more insurance especially if shooting through a barrier.

Oh, and Mr. Underwood...my wife is going to hate you eventually.
__________________
Don't pick a fight with an old man, if he's too tired to fight, he'll just kill you.
rcd567 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2011, 23:25   #71
awdxtc
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: PA
Posts: 380
Quote:
Originally Posted by rcd567 View Post
Oh, and Mr. Underwood...my wife is going to hate you eventually.
No Wife here but I will say the same thing about underwood ammo that I said about Guitar center the first time I was ever in one....I can see this place draining my bank account very quickly.

Last edited by awdxtc; 11-28-2011 at 23:25..
awdxtc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-28-2011, 23:29   #72
10 fan
10 fan
 
10 fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Lake McClure,CA
Posts: 139
I practice with 180gr. FMJ and BVAC at 100fps less is alot cheaper than underwood. 500 for 175$ I have had no problems with the last 9 or 10,000 rounds. Does anyone know of a better training ammo?
10 fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2011, 00:11   #73
inspectorjj
Senior Member
 
inspectorjj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Sunny Southern California
Posts: 213
Quote:
Originally Posted by 10 fan View Post
I practice with 180gr. FMJ and BVAC at 100fps less is alot cheaper than underwood. 500 for 175$ I have had no problems with the last 9 or 10,000 rounds. Does anyone know of a better training ammo?
I guess I have a different outlook. I don't shoot a lot at the range with my Glock 20 but when I do, I want to shoot the same ammo that will be protecting my life so that not only will I be familiar with it, but, I can also develop a trust in it. What Mr. Underwood is charging for premium ammo, it is a small price to pay for what could mean me or my wife living or dying. If I wanted to shoot a lot at paper, to save money, I would get a .22 long rifle.

PS: At 55 yrs. old, training for me was a lifetime ago. At this point and time, it is just a matter of me keeping in tune every now and then. So my views could be that of a crusty old dude.
__________________
Comparing a 10MM to a .45 is like comparing Major League Baseball to Softball. One of them anybody can do and the other is strictly for men......JJ
inspectorjj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2011, 00:15   #74
post-apocalyptic
magnifi ba$tard
 
post-apocalyptic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: CO
Posts: 504
Quote:
Originally Posted by 4949shooter View Post
I saw your review on the Underwood ammo site. I will be purchasing some 165's from them in the future. Are you running the 165's with the OEM Glock barrel?
I've run more than a few 165gr JHP Underwood 10mm rnds through both my stock '20 barrel and my 6" Glock Hunter. All functioned flawlessly and only some of the fired casings have any discernable hint of a "Glock smile". On those casings; the "smiles" are barely visible, not easily photographed, and have little to no effect on reloadablility... i.e. the 165gr JHP Underwood rnds are loaded to the original full-power, (or full house), 10mm specs, as all Underwood 10mm rnds are.

They're currently my favorite rnd to shoot, (I won't get my 135gr nosler JHP Underwood rnds till Friday ), very versatile and extremely damaging to anything they're fired at... although the best rnd, (of the various factory 10mm I've fired), for turning cover into concealment is Underwood's 180gr FMJ, (>1300 fps)!
__________________
I'mma make it rain in hell.

Last edited by post-apocalyptic; 11-29-2011 at 00:38..
post-apocalyptic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2011, 00:31   #75
10 fan
10 fan
 
10 fan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Lake McClure,CA
Posts: 139
Quote:
Originally Posted by inspectorjj View Post
I guess I have a different outlook. I don't shoot a lot at the range with my Glock 20 but when I do, I want to shoot the same ammo that will be protecting my life so that not only will I be familiar with it, but, I can also develop a trust in it. What Mr. Underwood is charging for premium ammo, it is a small price to pay for what could mean me or my wife living or dying. If I wanted to shoot a lot at paper, to save money, I would get a .22 long rifle.

PS: At 55 yrs. old, training for me was a lifetime ago. At this point and time, it is just a matter of me keeping in tune every now and then. So my views could be that of a crusty old dude.
My edc ammo is DT 180gr. bonded defence at 1305fps. Draw from IWB and a shoot controlled under time pressure I dought if most could find or feel the difference including POI,bullet rise or drop ,recoil control,target aquisition on second shot.
10 fan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2011, 00:40   #76
awdxtc
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: PA
Posts: 380
Quote:
Originally Posted by 10 fan View Post
My edc ammo is DT 180gr. bonded defence at 1305fps. Draw from IWB and a shoot controlled under time pressure I dought if most could find or feel the difference including POI,bullet rise or drop ,recoil control,target aquisition on second shot.
Are you sure that double tap isn't more like 1100 fps...just sayin.
awdxtc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2011, 00:42   #77
post-apocalyptic
magnifi ba$tard
 
post-apocalyptic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: CO
Posts: 504
Quote:
Originally Posted by awdxtc View Post
Are you sure that double tap isn't more like 1100 fps...just sayin.


It depends on when he bought it.. sadly.
__________________
I'mma make it rain in hell.

Last edited by post-apocalyptic; 11-29-2011 at 00:43..
post-apocalyptic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2011, 00:48   #78
awdxtc
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: PA
Posts: 380
As far as if there is anything cheaper...georgia arms has some for like 17.50/50 or if you reload you can make it even cheaper
awdxtc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2011, 01:12   #79
inspectorjj
Senior Member
 
inspectorjj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Sunny Southern California
Posts: 213
Quote:
Originally Posted by 10 fan View Post
My edc ammo is DT 180gr. bonded defence at 1305fps. Draw from IWB and a shoot controlled under time pressure I dought if most could find or feel the difference including POI,bullet rise or drop ,recoil control,target aquisition on second shot.
Well, like I said, I'm just a crusty old dude and it is only my opinion. I just don't believe that Major League Baseball players should have batting practice with whiffle balls. I believe that if you are going to "practice" at saving your life or someone else's life, it would make sense to use the same exact identical tools that you plan to use in a life saving event.
Also with the proven inadequacies printed on Double Taps boxes concerning velocity, I can see why you think there is no difference in felt recoil from the cheaper ammo. Everyone has an opinion, and I respect yours. I just don't see the logic or common sense in it from my limited point of view.
__________________
Comparing a 10MM to a .45 is like comparing Major League Baseball to Softball. One of them anybody can do and the other is strictly for men......JJ
inspectorjj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-2011, 01:57   #80
Angry Fist
Lifetime Membership
The Original®
 
Angry Fist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: LOZ
Posts: 27,714
Fan-friggin-tastic! Swampfox dropped off the face of the earth, and damn near a month later, I still ain't got my ammo. Pretty much saw deer season go to **** over it.
__________________
I want rustlers, cut throats, murderers, bounty hunters, desperados, mugs, pugs, thugs, nitwits, halfwits, dimwits, vipers, snipers, con men, Indian agents, Mexican bandits, muggers, buggerers, bushwhackers, hornswogglers, horse thieves, bull dykes, train robbers, bank robbers, ass-kickers, s**t-kickers, Methodists, and the GTDS.

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.
Angry Fist is offline   Reply With Quote

 
  
Reply


Tags
10mm, 10mm ammo, g20, underwood
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:53.




Homepage
FAQ
Forums
Calendar
Advertise
Gallery
GT Wiki
GT Blogs
Social Groups
Classifieds


Users Currently Online: 862
276 Members
586 Guests

Most users ever online: 2,672
Aug 11, 2014 at 2:31