Underwood's expanding their 10mm selection... - Page 2

arushus · 11-15-2011, 23:07

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Originally Posted by rcd567

Alright people, move along, nothing to see here, move along, keep moving.

Payday ain't till Friday and I want some ammo still in stock so I can get some geeezzz.

haha, maybe if stocks start getting low we should start a thread talking about what crap ammo it is...save it for those of us that know better

TreyG-20 · 11-16-2011, 07:11

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Originally Posted by rcd567

Alright people, move along, nothing to see here, move along, keep moving.

Payday ain't till Friday and I want some ammo still in stock so I can get some geeezzz.

LOL no kidding im in the same boat as you except i cant my order till next friday. Everyone hush up for a couple weeks. If they make the 135gr noslers i plan on buying every box they have

TreyG-20 · 11-16-2011, 07:12

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Originally Posted by arushus

haha, maybe if stocks start getting low we should start a thread talking about what crap ammo it is...save it for those of us that know better

I agree under wood ammo is CRAP!!!

G29SF · 11-16-2011, 08:15

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Originally Posted by SolidBrass

Avoid the "fully supported chamber" rounds in the 29 of course. You will be happy.

Why do you say that? I shoot Swamp Fox's hottest stuff (200gr @ 1325 fps) in both my G20 and G29. Underwoods stuff is not that hot. I see Underwood as being a nice compromise -- price vs not-as-hot stuff.

G29SF · 11-16-2011, 08:17

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Originally Posted by TreyG-20

LOL no kidding im in the same boat as you except i cant my order till next friday. Everyone hush up for a couple weeks. If they make the 135gr noslers i plan on buying every box they have

I ordered six boxes of in-stock ammo. Then I ordered two boxes of the 135gr Noslers. Didn't want to hold back the other boxes because the Noslers were on backorder!

SolidBrass · 11-16-2011, 17:10

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Originally Posted by G29SF

Why do you say that? I shoot Swamp Fox's hottest stuff (200gr @ 1325 fps) in both my G20 and G29. Underwoods stuff is not that hot. I see Underwood as being a nice compromise -- price vs not-as-hot stuff.

"fully supported chamber" means just that, not glocks stock barrel for the 29 which leaves a good chuck of the casing exposed. I bet those 200gr rounds leave some pretty good 'Glock smiles' on the brass in a stock barrel. I would use and aftermarket barrel for anything that powerful.

As to the ammo being 'hot' or not. Nobody listens to facts. You can see it proved on youtube. drsjr1969 is the guy on youtube who has crono'd close to 70 different 10mm rounds.

His top 10 rounds in AVG Energy are as follow: All shot from a completely stock Glock 20

Elite Ammunition 175 GR STHP = 715 ftlbs
Elite Ammunition 200 GR CMJ = 713 ftlbs
Buffalo Bore 180 GR JHP = 705 ftlbs 1,327 ft/sec
Elite Ammunition 65 GR JHP = 685 ftlbs
Underwood Ammo 180 GR JHP = 679 ftlbs 1,303 ft/sec
Underwood Ammo 165 GR JHP = 666 ftlbs 1,348 ft/sec
Double tap 130 GR NozzlerJHP = 612 ftlbs
Reed's A&R 165 GR.............. = 606 ftlbs
Reeds A&R 135 GR............... = 604 ftlbs

Since you can't buy any of the Elite Ammo online (that I can find) and Buffalo Bore cost 2-3x as much. I'll stick with underwood. Lots of "fancy" brands don't even crack 500 ftlbs.

At the end of this video the guy post a spead sheet of his ammo test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGF4-wBXo_M

Swapfire looks great, but is priced for the 1%.

Morley Menthols · 11-16-2011, 18:21

I shot some Underwood 180 grain hollow points. Seems ok. Gave a detailed description of my testing but the post would not upload. So be it.

G29SF · 11-16-2011, 21:17

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Originally Posted by SolidBrass

"fully supported chamber" means just that, not glocks stock barrel for the 29 which leaves a good chuck of the casing exposed. I bet those 200gr rounds leave some pretty good 'Glock smiles' on the brass in a stock barrel. I would use and aftermarket barrel for anything that powerful.

As to the ammo being 'hot' or not. Nobody listens to facts. You can see it proved on youtube. drsjr1969 is the guy on youtube who has crono'd close to 70 different 10mm rounds.

His top 10 rounds in AVG Energy are as follow: All shot from a completely stock Glock 20

Elite Ammunition 175 GR STHP = 715 ftlbs
Elite Ammunition 200 GR CMJ = 713 ftlbs
Buffalo Bore 180 GR JHP = 705 ftlbs 1,327 ft/sec
Elite Ammunition 65 GR JHP = 685 ftlbs
Underwood Ammo 180 GR JHP = 679 ftlbs 1,303 ft/sec
Underwood Ammo 165 GR JHP = 666 ftlbs 1,348 ft/sec
Double tap 130 GR NozzlerJHP = 612 ftlbs
Reed's A&R 165 GR.............. = 606 ftlbs
Reeds A&R 135 GR............... = 604 ftlbs

Since you can't buy any of the Elite Ammo online (that I can find) and Buffalo Bore cost 2-3x as much. I'll stick with underwood. Lots of "fancy" brands don't even crack 500 ftlbs.

At the end of this video the guy post a spead sheet of his ammo test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGF4-wBXo_M

Swapfire looks great, but is priced for the 1%.

My question was rhetorical. See my sig line. (I'm fully aware of fully supported chamber barrels.) I also stated (after my question) that I shoot Swamp Fox ammo 200gr XTPs @ 1325 fps (780 ft/lbs if I remember correctly). (I also shoot his 135gr Noslers which are over 800 ft/lbs.) Those are hotter than the Underwood offerings.

Thanks for the concern though.

SolidBrass · 11-17-2011, 17:20

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Originally Posted by G29SF

My question was rhetorical. See my sig line. (I'm fully aware of fully supported chamber barrels.) I also stated (after my question) that I shoot Swamp Fox ammo 200gr XTPs @ 1325 fps (780 ft/lbs if I remember correctly). (I also shoot his 135gr Noslers which are over 800 ft/lbs.) Those are hotter than the Underwood offerings.

Thanks for the concern though.

Those numbers would put swamp fox at the top of the list. Do you have any way of backing up those numbers? What gun were there chrono'd on? Video proof? But I wouldn't considereing the major bands mostly rate below 500 ftlbs I would still call Underwood 'hot'.

More importantly to me is that swamp fox is twice as pricey as underwood. Would you rather have 500 rounds of swamp fox it or 1000 rounds of underwood? For those on a budget that is often the choice.

G29SF · 11-21-2011, 08:11

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Originally Posted by SolidBrass

Those numbers would put swamp fox at the top of the list. Do you have any way of backing up those numbers? What gun were there chrono'd on? Video proof? But I wouldn't considereing the major bands mostly rate below 500 ftlbs I would still call Underwood 'hot'.

More importantly to me is that swamp fox is twice as pricey as underwood. Would you rather have 500 rounds of swamp fox it or 1000 rounds of underwood? For those on a budget that is often the choice.

Yup, it sure does. Swamp Fox (I believe) is the undisputed king of new manufactured 10mm ammo.

As far as backing up the number, no I have not chrono'd anything myself (don't own a chrony). I have never read anything to say his numbers aren't accurate though. If you ever shoot his stuff, you will understand.

Have you been reading this forum much? You seem to be unfamiliar with Swamp Fox ammo...

As far as price, yeah it is expensive. Not something I use at the range for target practice, but it is bad-ass!

awdxtc · 11-21-2011, 10:49

Wow that's cheaper than I can buy cci blazer. I am going to order about 6 boxes to try it out.

awdxtc · 11-21-2011, 10:53

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Originally Posted by SolidBrass

Would you rather have 500 rounds of swamp fox it or 1000 rounds of underwood? For those on a budget that is often the choice.

Depends...if my life was on the line I would rather have 10 rounds of swamp fox vs. 1000 rounds of anything.

arushus · 11-21-2011, 11:06

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Originally Posted by G29SF

Yup, it sure does. Swamp Fox (I believe) is the undisputed king of new manufactured 10mm ammo.

As far as backing up the number, no I have not chrono'd anything myself (don't own a chrony). I have never read anything to say his numbers aren't accurate though. If you ever shoot his stuff, you will understand.

Have you been reading this forum much? You seem to be unfamiliar with Swamp Fox ammo...

As far as price, yeah it is expensive. Not something I use at the range for target practice, but it is bad-ass!

I agree, well put. I was just about to write something similar. He must not have done must research into their product. Swampfox has the kind of reputation around here where he doesnt have to prove that his numbers meet their stated velocities anymore, that has been gone over time and again. YOU have to prove that his numbers dont add up, not him...

rcd567 · 11-21-2011, 11:10

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Originally Posted by awdxtc

Depends...if my life was on the line I would rather have 10 rounds of swamp fox vs. 1000 rounds of anything.

Not me. I'd take the 1000 rounds. Or even 16 rounds. A few hundred fps isn't as important as shot placement. And if the gremlin is shooting at you, you might need more bullets as you shoot on the move.

post-apocalyptic · 11-21-2011, 12:41

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Originally Posted by awdxtc

Depends...if my life was on the line I would rather have 10 rounds of swamp fox vs. 1000 rounds of anything.

I'd rather have 1k rnds of even Prvi Partizan Serbian 10mm, (.40 S&W strength), over a mere 10 rnds of SF or anything else.

Regardless; if my life's on the line, I'd prefer a long gun over any pistol in any caliber.

arushus · 11-21-2011, 12:46

SF is no more...

SolidBrass · 11-21-2011, 17:10

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Originally Posted by G29SF

Have you been reading this forum much? You seem to be unfamiliar with Swamp Fox ammo...

Yes I've been to their website, read about them on this forum and even emailed them to ask a question. My email was not replied to. Careful with your assumptions.

AT NO POINT DID I SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT SWAPFOX other than the cost.

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Originally Posted by arushus

He must not have done must research into their product. Swampfox has the kind of reputation around here where he doesnt have to prove that his numbers meet their stated velocities, YOU have to prove that his numbers dont add up, not him...

So I just takes someone's word on this (who doesn't have a chono)? Proof not needed. It's up to me to disprove it someone's unverified claim?

That's interesting. You didn't take science in school did you?

Either way, assuming he is right. It's still very expensive by comparison.

I didn't insult anyone with my posts (until now). Why make this a personal attack on me?

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Originally Posted by arushus

SF is no more...

*EDIT* reading the other posts it appears Mike of SF passed away. RIP

G29SF · 11-21-2011, 17:51

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Originally Posted by SolidBrass

Yes I've been to their website, read about them on this forum and even emailed them to ask a question. My email was not replied to. Careful with your assumptions.

AT NO POINT DID I SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT SWAPFOX other than the cost.

So I just takes someone's word on this (who doesn't have a chono)? Proof not needed. It's up to me to disprove it someone's unverified claim?

That's interesting. You didn't take science in school did you?

Either way, assuming he is right. It's still very expensive by comparison.

I didn't insult anyone with my posts (until now). Why make this a personal attack on me?

*EDIT* reading the other posts it appears Mike of SF passed away. RIP

Nobody said you said anything bad about Swamp Fox. I'm not sure how you came up with that...

Anyway, my point was you seem like you are unfamiliar with SF's ammo. If you have been reading the 10-Ring of any amount of time you would know his reputation is stellar as is his ammo.

What started this was you giving advice to use a fully supported barrel with Underwood's ammo... when I already shoot "hotter-than-underwood" ammo with my setup ... which is listed in my sig line (LOL). It was from that discussion onward that I assumed you were unfamiliar with SF. Nobody said you were dissn' him.

As far as needing "proof", I agree. I have however read a lot of posters on this board rave about how hot his ammo is. If he was falsifying his numbers, he probably would have been crucified (like Double Tap) by some. I have yet to read anything about his ammo other than WOW. If you ever shot his ammo you would understand. It really was above and beyond anything out there.

Was it expensive? Sure. But it was the hottest out there AND it was cheaper than Buffalo Bore (another often cited premium brand). SF ammo was never meant to be target/plinking ammo. It was the hottest premium ammo for hunting, personal protection, etc.

I am excited to try out Underwood's offerings now...

SolidBrass · 11-21-2011, 22:18

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Originally Posted by G29SF

Nobody said you said anything bad about Swamp Fox. I'm not sure how you came up with that...Anyway, my point was you seem like you are ,,, Underwood's offerings now...

This was an underwood post. Kevin is great guy and it's a easy place to buy arms. I'm not knocking others arms just on the side of the little guy that like really good ammo at half the price.

Heart attack at 50 kind of makes you think.

And sad indeed.

arushus · 11-21-2011, 22:59

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So I just takes someone's word on this (who doesn't have a chono)? Proof not needed. It's up to me to disprove it someone's unverified claim?

That's interesting. You didn't take science in school did you?

Either way, assuming he is right. It's still very expensive by comparison.

I didn't insult anyone with my posts (until now). Why make this a personal attack on me?

Not sure which part of my post was attacking you? You get defensive very easily...

When I said YOU have to prove they dont meet his stated velocities, I meant you in general...
Im well aware of the scientific method, I have a bachelor of science degree...and it is because of this knowledge of the scientific method that I can say what I did. The claim is not unverified, quite the opposite! You asking for proff is like asking for proof that the earth is round. Umm, I could get proof that the earth is round for you, but it has been proven so much, and is so obvious by now that it seems pretty silly!
His velocities have been proven and gone over again and again on here, by several people, there are even videos on youtube showing his ammo in action. Being that the thorough experimentation has proven my theory, I can say what I did, and unless someone could have proven otherwise, his stated velocities are correct. We obviously did not take this on blind fact, we studied it, like we did everyone else's ammo.
All of this is why I said, you have to prove otherwise...

So, before you go running your mouth about needing proof and numbers backed up, why dont you do just a little bit of research yourself? If you had, you would have known that swampfox's ammo has been proven several different ways, over and over again to be what we, and swampfox, say it is!

TreyG-20 · 11-22-2011, 06:57

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Originally Posted by SolidBrass

Yes I've been to their website, read about them on this forum and even emailed them to ask a question. My email was not replied to. Careful with your assumptions.

AT NO POINT DID I SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT SWAPFOX other than the cost.

So I just takes someone's word on this (who doesn't have a chono)? Proof not needed. It's up to me to disprove it someone's unverified claim?

That's interesting. You didn't take science in school did you?

Either way, assuming he is right. It's still very expensive by comparison.

I didn't insult anyone with my posts (until now). Why make this a personal attack on me?

*EDIT* reading the other posts it appears Mike of SF passed away. RIP

Just youtube swampfoxammo and you will see plenty of videos of his ammo beinging chronographed. Do some research. Doesnt matter now anyway cause nobody will be getting his ammo. So looks like underwood is the source now

rcd567 · 11-22-2011, 10:59

OK, who is the guilty one? I get an email from Underwood saying the 135 gr. 10mm is available. I didn't see it for a couple hours. By the time I get to the website, they are sold out.

Which one of you bought all they had??????????