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Old 07-15-2011, 17:37   #26
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I didn't quote a specifc theory. You can refer to it as the theory of tolerances in adverse conditions if you like. The theory and $6 will get you an iced frappucino at Starbucks.

As far as a 1911 standing up to the elements we agree.

Iced frappucino... Never had one but I bet it would be good with some bourbon it! And if that was the case, I'll take the 1911.
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Old 07-15-2011, 17:41   #27
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Iced frappucino... Never had one but I bet it would be good with some bourbon it!
Dunno, never have the flask with me when I hit up Starbucks.
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Old 07-15-2011, 18:05   #28
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I have a G29SF and 2 Deltas. The trigger and the grip are so different it would be hard to compare. But for reliable operation no matter how bad the conditions, the Glock may be slightly better because of its' tough durable finish. I don' think capacity is that big of an issue considering you're not dealing with 2 legged critters. If you need more than 9 rounds, you're in deep doo doo in any event. Go with the one that you shoot better. If it's a tie, your call.
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Old 07-15-2011, 18:38   #29
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Colt DE v. G20 ...

Both are nice guns, but each is a totally different approach to handling the dynamics of the 10mm cartridge.

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Custom Delta (courtesty of Vic Tibbets).
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They are what they are, and we should enjoy them for that reason ...




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Old 07-15-2011, 18:48   #30
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Best looking Delta Elite I've ever seen. Was that built by Vic when he was out on his own, before going back to Wilson? Looks like his handiwork, especially that deep dish crown. GREAT looking gun. Got anyother pics you can post of it?

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Old 07-15-2011, 19:03   #31
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Carrying a .44 mag is a good option. The only problem I have with it is that I am LE, and my agency only authorizes us to carry certain pistols and revolvers off duty. The Colt and Glock are both authorized.
So what you are telling us is you can't carry any gun that you want when on you're own time. Man you are kidding right? So you go deer hunting and they are you're only choices. If that is true that must suck.
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Old 07-15-2011, 19:14   #32
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So what you are telling us is you can't carry any gun that you want when on you're own time.
I think it depends on each agencies policy. A friend who works for a local PD can carry his choice after he qualifies with it. As far as I know, he has to use issued ammunition when he carries off duty.

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Old 07-15-2011, 19:24   #33
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Best looking Delta Elite I've ever seen. Was that built by Vic when he was out on his own, before going back to Wilson? Looks like his handiwork, especially that deep dish crown. GREAT looking gun. Got anyother pics you can post of it?
Thank you!

Yes, this one was one of the last 1911s Vic worked on, as I understand the chronology, before he returned to Wilson. Not only that deep-dish crown, but the "scallops" on the slide near the muzzle are also Tibbets' trademarks.

Besides being a very talented pistolsmith, Vic's a really nice guy ...
This might help, along with the pics here:

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Old 07-16-2011, 04:52   #34
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So what you are telling us is you can't carry any gun that you want when on you're own time.
Unfortunately this is the way it is in my agency.
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agtman, Vic Tibbets does some nice work. Why does he scallop the front of the slides? Aesthetic appeal or for improved holstering?
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I think it depends on each agencies policy. A friend who works for a local PD can carry his choice after he qualifies with it. As far as I know, he has to use issued ammunition when he carries off duty.
That's true Mr. G., every agency is different. It was only about ten years ago that we were allowed to carry semi automatics off duty (not including our duty weapon). We could only carry .38/.357 snubbies prior.
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agtman, Vic Tibbets does some nice work. Why does he scallop the front of the slides? Aesthetic appeal or for improved holstering?
Mostly for creating a unique, rakish look (aesthetics) - but functionally the scallops are sufficiently deep that you could do a "press check," if needed.

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For a woods gun, I'll take my Ruger Vaquero or SuperBlackhawk in short barrel and loaded with Hornady .44 Mag Leverevolution loads.
yup. perfect scenario for that firearm.

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Carrying a .44 mag is a good option. The only problem I have with it is that I am LE, and my agency only authorizes us to carry certain pistols and revolvers off duty. The Colt and Glock are both authorized.
you're regulated off duty? man, that's messed up.
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So what you are telling us is you can't carry any gun that you want when on you're own time. Man you are kidding right? So you go deer hunting and they are you're only choices. If that is true that must suck.
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Old 07-16-2011, 07:57   #41
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I wouldn't mind a Delta Elite, but Id have to have some work done to it. I don't like the way it comes in stock form. Id need a short trigger, beavertail grip safety, different hammer, grips and sights. After all that Id have some serious money involved. Not to mention ammo. Glock 20 is a much more practical decision for me, but either would be a great choice.
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Old 07-16-2011, 08:01   #42
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Carrying a .44 mag is a good option. The only problem I have with it is that I am LE, and my agency only authorizes us to carry certain pistols and revolvers off duty. The Colt and Glock are both authorized.
WOW. I did not realize an agency can control what you carry when you are on YOUR time. I can understand when on their dime and time, but when you are in the woods hunting you should be allowed to carry anything you want.

I do not own either of the specific guns you are asking about but do have 1911's and Glocks. Lets say after my trip in the Mississippi river a week ago where the canoe tipped and I ended up in the water I was glad I had my glock instead of my Kimber. I was not worried about the finish or functioning of the gun. I know if needed to Glock would fire and operate properly. I cannot say the same for the Kimber. It is picky enough when dry and oiled. With the silt and particles in the river who knows.

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WOW. I did not realize an agency can control what you carry when you are on YOUR time. I can understand when on their dime and time, but when you are in the woods hunting you should be allowed to carry anything you want.

I do not own either of the specific guns you are asking about but do have 1911's and Glocks. Lets say after my trip in the Mississippi river a week ago where the canoe tipped and I ended up in the water I was glad I had my glock instead of my Kimber. I was not worried about the finish or functioning of the gun. I know if needed to Glock would fire and operate properly. I cannot say the same for the Kimber. It is picky enough when dry and oiled. With the silt and particles in the river who knows.
Yeah, my agency is on the militaristic side. Being paramilitary has its benefits, however off duty weapon selection isn't one of them.

I am salivating over the Delta Elite, though I am starting to think the G20 will be more practical for my purposes. Who knows? Maybe I will end up with both.
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Yeah, my agency is on the militaristic side. Being paramilitary has its benefits, however off duty weapon selection isn't one of them.

I am salivating over the Delta Elite, though I am starting to think the G20 will be more practical for my purposes. Who knows? Maybe I will end up with both.
Now I understand. The one advantage of being restricted, if you will, to a weapon system they approve means you are accustomed to it and will be comfortable with it. More importantly there will be no issues if you are required to use your duty weapon after having carried and possibly used your personal weapon.

The Delta is an awesome looking pistol.
Nothing wrong with having both.
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Exactly.

And I think one of the issues concerning limitations on off duty carry is the schools the amorers attend.

Thanks for all the responses..
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My DE has been reliable and I wouldn't think of letting it go. The G20 has long captivated my attention but I've resisted thus far (a Gen4 version may break that resistance).

In your situation, I'd do what you are, analytically study them, ask for insight, sweat it out a while, then buy the one I most wanted in the first place.
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In your situation, I'd do what you are, analytically study them, ask for insight, sweat it out a while, then buy the one I most wanted in the first place.
Lol..
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I suppose it depends on what "Woods" your talking about. But here in Oregon I carry a Glock 20 with the 6 inch after market barrel & Double Tap Beartooth. Now if you want to look pretty and spend twice the money to be "cool" get the DE.
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I suppose it depends on what "Woods" your talking about. But here in Oregon I carry a Glock 20 with the 6 inch after market barrel & Double Tap Beartooth. Now if you want to look pretty and spend twice the money to be "cool" get the DE.
With 15+1 of that on hand, that is one formidable sidearm.
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