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Old 07-13-2010, 21:24   #326
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Curious if there are any recent photos of this gun. This was one of the first tests that inspired me to get a Glock. I would love to see pictures of this thing today.
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Old 09-01-2010, 17:34   #327
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any recent photos or info?
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Old 09-01-2010, 19:21   #328
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any recent photos or info?
nothing new, I've been out of ideas for a while.....
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Old 09-02-2010, 03:43   #329
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I wish I could rate this thread so I could give it a 5 star. Some of the stuff you did made me laugh & shake my head. On a personal note, 1 of my brothers is all about how Glocks aren't all that & he wants a USP, fine, they're great guns & 1 day I actually want 1 myself. I sent him an email saying to take a look at page 1, about half way down when you did the comparison though. lol
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Old 09-06-2010, 19:36   #330
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I know you haven't done any new tests Big Bore, but could you maybe post a few pictures of the gun as it is today? I have always been intrigued by this.
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Old 09-12-2010, 20:11   #331
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do you still use the gun?
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Old 11-18-2010, 23:56   #332
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nothing new, I've been out of ideas for a while.....
let it soak in a river for a few months during the summer, get some barnicles get growing on it.....
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Old 12-01-2010, 17:38   #333
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tuff glock

glock's are tuffer than rocks. this is proof
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Old 12-22-2010, 18:24   #334
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I just bought a 21SF With TrijiconS! this gives me hope that larry vickers was wrong about the Glock21SF
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Old 01-08-2011, 22:43   #335
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I just bought a 21SF With TrijiconS! this gives me hope that larry vickers was wrong about the Glock21SF
What did he say about the 21SF?
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Old 01-09-2011, 06:17   #336
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My understanding is that this is touchy information so take what you will from it and hopefully I won't get in forum trouble for posting it for you.

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"Sand Test

Just had a chance to do a harsh sand test on few different handguns. This test was not scientific but was very enlightening.

Pistols tested were; HK USP Tactical
Customized 1911
rack grade GI 1911
Glock 21

Test consisted of placing each pistol loaded in a Bianchi GI field holster inside a plastic bag with approx 2 cups of fine/medium grit sand ( North Carolina type). Then the bag was shaken vigorously for 10 seconds while holding onto the pistol butt for safety. The pistol was then taken out and 3 mags were fired through the 1911 and 2 fully loaded mags were fired through the HK and Glock - roughly the same amount of ammo. The sand coverage was very good and uniformly covered the pistols. The pistols were loaded in the mode you would expect in a field environment - condition 3 for the 1911, loaded for the Glock and loaded in DA mode for the USP.A test was done dry and lubed with TW 25B. This test represented EXTREME sand conditions - not normal field use, even in sandy conditions.A brief rundown of the results follow;

1)Carrying your gun dry in this environment is a NO GO despite what some will say. All pistols performed worse dry than lubed.

2)All pistols required some manipulation in order to fire - none would function normally straight out of the holster.

3)Overall the HK USP performed the best - the performance of it dry was roughly the same as the customized 1911 but was definately the best lubed. Overall it performed well.

4)The custom 1911 was second - interestingly enough the trigger track was not a real problem - the sand that went in through the ejection port to the bottom lugs area caused the most problems. Once the sand shifted in this area the pistol functioned better.

5)The rack grade GI 1911 was a distant third - the custom 1911 had an 18 pound recoil spring and that helped with feeding greatly vs the rack grade gun. Swap out the recoil spring and it probably would have done better.

6)The shocker of the day - the Glock 21 FAILED terribly. The big problem was failure of the trigger to reset. Also at times the pistol would not fire due to sand in the trigger mechanism. The dry test could not even be completed with the Glock due to this.This surprised all of us as we expected the Glock to do quite well.

Moral of the story; The 1911, even in its customized mode, can get the job done if you set it up to succeed. Lube it right, carry it in the right holster and in the proper mode, and it won't let you down - just like it hasn't for nearly a 100 years.

The HK USP series are good guns - well designed and well made - for service pistols. The ergonomics hurt the pistol dramatically but for an out of the box service pistol/field gun, they get my endorsement.

The Glock 21 is a dog - always has been. It has the rep of being the worst gun Glock makes. I have a Glock 17 and 19 and like them for what they are - but don't get sucked into the Glock hype - they are not magical guns. Remember what your dad said when you were in 3rd grade; don't believe everything you read.

Hope you guys got something out of this - I did." Larry Vickers
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Old 01-09-2011, 08:16   #337
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Thanks for the info, Clint. It seems he never liked the 21 to begin with. Anyway that's not the point of this thread. Bigbore brutalized his G21sf and it kept running, and that's great.
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Old 01-11-2011, 12:04   #338
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The Glock 21 is a dog - always has been. It has the rep of being the worst gun Glock makes.
Reputation? Does reputation mean Larry's opinion. I've never heard of that kind of reputation.. stupid as I am..

Is it a big surprise that HK performed the best?

"Larry Vickers has worked with several companies, including Heckler and Koch"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Vickers
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Old 01-20-2011, 18:56   #339
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Old 07-04-2011, 21:01   #340
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Awesome tests done... only reassures me of my G19 and the next purchase of a G21
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Old 07-05-2011, 07:34   #341
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Glock's are fugly weapons that go bang when the trigger is pulled. A fact that cannot be argued. However there are also some other facts: there have been more AD's accidental discharges with Glock then there ever has been with a 1911. Even the Austrian military for whom the pistol was designed for does not carry a Glock, they use a Sig. The new Homeland security firearm tests which Sig and S&W were a part of, found malfunctions of the Glock pistol in their testing. And a man who fired his Glock 17 underwater in his swimming pool has gone deaf in one ear and lost sight in one eye because of the gun blowing up form water obstructing the bore. Don't believe me, then do a Google search.

Also any Glock that is subjected to a constant firing of 500 rounds or more in a short period of time, will have to have the trigger mechanism, trigger reset spring, and disconnector replaced as these and other parts will melt and warp due to the extreme heat inside the pistol while firing.
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Old 07-05-2011, 17:32   #342
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Also any Glock that is subjected to a constant firing of 500 rounds or more in a short period of time, will have to have the trigger mechanism, trigger reset spring, and disconnector replaced as these and other parts will melt and warp due to the extreme heat inside the pistol while firing.

That statement is simply NOT true!

I've fired my Glock 17 more than 500 rounds in a short period of time and
nothing melted.

What do you have against Glocks?

I've checked your previous posts and most are in this thread and most
spout stupid nonsense about Glock pistols that's just not true.
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Old 07-05-2011, 17:42   #343
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YEA ! ! ! WHAT HE SAID ^^^
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Old 07-05-2011, 19:48   #344
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That's funny, watch the you tube videos of the 1,000 round torture testing and you will see that the guide rod melts and flies out of the pistol at or around 500 rounds. After 1,000 rounds are fired, even the person testing the firearm says that some internal parts will need to be replaced because of the mushy, gritty, and sticking feeling when pulling the trigger. But what do I know I'm only a nobody on here with common sense, and not a fairy tale believer that the Glock is the end all be all of firearms design.

Yes, it is a simple design. But it has FAILED under extreme circumstances for testing by S.O.C.O.M., S.E.A.L.S., and other special forces units for the military. For example S.E.A.L. Team #6 has just adopted the HK 45C as their sidearm. The Marines for some of their special ops use a 1911, frame made by Caspian, and the F.B.I. H.R.T. uses the Springfield Professional 1911. I don't know of any elite unit in either the military or law enforcement that uses a Glock. Although the Ohio DR&C has just upgraded their sidearms from S&W 38's to either the Glock 20 or 22 in 40 S&W but the DR&C are about 15 years behind the times equipment wise.

What I have against Glock's is this. They are a simple design for a firearm that is ugly, but in normal situations is reliable. They are not however, in my eyes perfection. I will take metal, forged, or machined internal parts over polymer, glass filled nylon, or plastic for to hell and back reliability in adverse conditions. Face facts, poly, nylon, and plastic will melt before a metal part will.

The only internal parts I like about the Glock are the firing pin, made of tool steel and cast, you can see the cast marks. However the firing pin spring is made out of a lower grade of metal compared to other brands. The disconnector is also tool steel, but stamped, and inserts into a polymer holder.
The flat wound recoil spring is cheap and other companies who have tried using it, have found too many failures with it. The trigger return spring is also of lower quality when compared to some other brands. The barrel is hammer forged, with poly rifling, which is a good thing. But Glock was not the first to adopt this nor to use plastics. H&K were the first to do so during WWII. And when you compare the bore of an H&K USP, P2000 to that of a Glock, both are hammer forged, and both have poly rifling, but the H&K bore looks smoother. And you can shoot lead bullets out of theirs while you cannot with Glock.

And rapid fire sessions with a Glock of 500 rounds or more within a short time period have melted the firing pin channel liner which had to be replaced. Melted and deformed the NY trigger assembly which had to be replaced. Along with melting the guide rod, and trigger spring, spring cups, trigger mechanism housing with ejector, and spacer sleeve, which all had to be replaced. But to each their own, it is personal preference. What feels good to you and shoots well for you, may not do the same for another. But in my professional opinion, Glock's are nothing more than a Hi-Point on steroids.
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Old 07-05-2011, 20:19   #345
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Yes, it is a simple design. But it has FAILED under extreme circumstances for testing by S.O.C.O.M., S.E.A.L.S., and other special forces units for the military. For example S.E.A.L. Team #6 has just adopted the HK 45C as their sidearm. The Marines for some of their special ops use a 1911, frame made by Caspian, and the F.B.I. H.R.T. uses the Springfield Professional 1911....

...And there it is!

A Spec Ops Special Forces Operator that has inside information that the
rest of us don't have.

Can you "source" some of these failures?
Especially the melting after 500 rounds part?
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Old 07-05-2011, 21:24   #346
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Ummm genius, there is NO SEAL team 6...
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Old 07-05-2011, 22:56   #347
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Guess I'm the only 1 here who is laughing when people are comparing the parts of a $4-500 gun with ones TWICEthat. Oh, I also laughed at the comment about the Austrians not carrying glocks. Perhaps Wvladimire doesn't realize that our gov't & military are equipped with guns by pretty much everybody out there that makes something that suits their needs from Glock to FNH. Don't bother trying to convince Wvladimire gentlemen, haters gon' hate & trolls gon' troll.
Is Glock the best gun ever made? Nope. Is the OP's Glock an exceptional firearm that I admire? Yup.
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Old 07-06-2011, 11:10   #348
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Source, youtube video of Glock 1,000 round torture test, search it or are you too lazy?
No S.E.A.L. team six, the news said they were the ones who took out Bin Laden. Also article in Blue Press magazine June edition and public record search.
Failures for Glock from Homeland Security testing, public document # B-402339.3

But it doesn't matter what I source to the failures of this pistol, because you will believe what you want to believe and not believe the shortcomings of this pistol.
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Old 07-07-2011, 10:15   #349
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However there are also some other facts: there have been more AD's accidental discharges with Glock then there ever has been with a 1911.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYvAx...layer_embedded
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Old 07-07-2011, 10:26   #350
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YqcvuRRggM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDfNV9bJoSg

And your point? I can dig up two to three AD for Glock for every one on a 1911.

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