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Old 06-27-2011, 17:14   #1
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.40 Super vs .460 Rowland.

I've wasted enough of my own headspace on this trail, so I though I would drag you guys into it also.
Which of these do you think is better?
Pluses and minuses?
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Old 06-28-2011, 12:34   #2
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Since the 40 Super can't do anything the 10mm Auto already does, then they can be considered equals, as they do the same thing with the same bullets.

That said, the 460 Rowland is much more (more than a fair step up) powerful than the 10mm Auto, and therefore that much more powerful than the 40 Super.

Beyond that, I would think the choice simply boils down to the power level/caliber you want. There are a plethora of excellent SD bullets available for both of these calibers to the handloader.

Platform choice doesn't really become an issue, as most any major style gun designs are available for either, especially with the use of aftermarket barrels.

10mm and 45 Super pretty much run equal "power" wise. 460 Rowland makes both appear weak. If cash isn't an objection, I don't see that there's anything else to look at toward making the decision. Me, I'm perfectly happy with 10mm Auto, which for you would equate to 40 Super. If you want more power yet, the 460 Rowland is pretty much where it's at before seriously forking out cash for major conversions/whole new guns, of a completely custom status.

Otherwise, what road blocks are you running into with your own line of thought, causing you pause in the decision making process?
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Old 06-28-2011, 23:14   #3
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In my own opinion I think the 45 Super is more powerful than a 10mm!!

I think the 40 Super is about the same as a 10mm. The 460 Rowland is much more powerful than any of these and more expensive to convert or buy a new gun in this caliber.

It depends on what you need it for!!! My 45 Super is plenty for me. If I need more in a hand gun I would use my S&W model 29 in 44 Magnum. Or my Desert Eagle in 50 AE!!
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Old 06-28-2011, 23:31   #4
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The 460 Rowland is nothing short of amazing.
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Old 06-29-2011, 07:43   #5
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The 45 super gets into 10mm territory, but that's about it. And the 40 super betters the 10mm, but not by much.
But the 460 rowland really does leave the others in the dust.
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The 45 super gets into 10mm territory, but that's about it. And the 40 super betters the 10mm, but not by much.
But the 460 rowland really does leave the others in the dust.
You're still not sure which to pick? How about both?

Me personally, as far as common SD cartridges are concerned from handguns, I'm strictly a 1 gun/1 cartridge kind of guy. No interest in collecting every possible combination of every different sidearm load available. I've choosen one that I feel promotes the greatest wounding effect, while still being readily available (for me, if it's readily available online, then it's readily available), in a platform size that's comfortable to carry regularly (G29). Beyond that, I expect my Benelli 12ga can handle most of the rest between slugs and buckshot.
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Well, the 460 rowland will easily drop into the gun I already carry, so........


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You're still not sure which to pick? How about both?

Me personally, as far as common SD cartridges are concerned from handguns, I'm strictly a 1 gun/1 cartridge kind of guy. No interest in collecting every possible combination of every different sidearm load available. I've choosen one that I feel promotes the greatest wounding effect, while still being readily available (for me, if it's readily available online, then it's readily available), in a platform size that's comfortable to carry regularly (G29). Beyond that, I expect my Benelli 12ga can handle most of the rest between slugs and buckshot.
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Well, the 460 rowland will easily drop into the gun I already carry, so........
Sounds like a plan!
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Sounds like a plan!
I'm just running into a bit of a snag finding ammo at a price that isn't totally ridiculous. I just sent an email to georgiaarms ammo who say they are out of components. And have been out for quite a while.
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I'm just running into a bit of a snag finding ammo at a price that isn't totally ridiculous. I just sent an email to georgiaarms ammo who say they are out of components. And have been out for quite a while.
Yeah, kinda starts making 10mm Auto tempting I'ld guess.
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Yeah, kinda starts making 10mm Auto tempting I'ld guess.
I used to carry a 10mm. I seriously like that round. But there isn't a gun that I like that is chambered in the 10mm. I carry an XD which has a grip that is a lot better for me than a glock. I wouldn't want to try to shoot a full size glock on a regular basis. Like me trying to hold a 2x4.
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I'm just running into a bit of a snag finding ammo at a price that isn't totally ridiculous. I just sent an email to georgiaarms ammo who say they are out of components. And have been out for quite a while.
You can order direct from Starline and they pay shipping, looks like it may be awhile until there's enough of a demand to make a production run.

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40 Super Brass (Small Pistol primer) .989"-.992" O.A.L. (Backordered expected availability: NEXT RUN WHEN SUFFICIENT BACKORDER ACHIEVED )
The .40 Super is a heavy duty lengthened case similar to the .45 Auto cartridge but necked down to .40" caliber. Developed by Triton Cartridge. Conversion Systems can be found at Barsto Barrels or Clark Custom Guns.

Pack: 500 (+$130.00)1000 (+$220.00)
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400 Cor-Bon Brass (Small Rifle or Small Pistol) .894"-.899" O.A.
400 Cor-Bon (Corbon) case is a 45 Auto+P based case necked down to 40 caliber. The primer pocket was changed from large pistol primer to small pistol/rifle primer in 12/00. Test results concluded no adverse affect from switching to small primer pocket. Cor-Bon is now recommending Win. small pistol works best and if using small rifle Remington 7 1/2 works the best. Most popular auto pistols chambered for the .45 Auto can be converted to the .400 Cor-Bon cartridge.

Pack: 500 (+$109.50)1000 (+$193.50)
Another wait for a production run;

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460 Rowland Brass (Large Pistol primer) .954"-.960" O.A.L. (Backordered expected availability: NEXT RUN WHEN SUFFICIENT BACKORDER ACHIEVED )
The .460 Rowland is a lengthened, heavy duty .45 Auto based case designed by Johnny Rowland. It delivers .44 Magnum ballistics in a semi-automatic handguns chambered for this cutting edge cartridge. Conversion kits are available also. Contact Johnny Rowland at 1-318-537-1481, or email jr@gunsandgears.tv for more information. Cases are available factory direct from Starline.

Pack: 500 (+$129.50)1000 (+$231.50)
http://www.starlinebrass.com/index.p...383d0c6b371074

.460 Rowland brass in stock;

http://www.clarkcustomguns.com/rowland.htm

I have a drop-in .400 Corbon barrel for the 1911, 135gr/150gr and 165gr easily run with the 10mm; however, the 1911 platform is more controllable than the G20, or G20 SF, especially during rapid fire sessions and if your hands are, or get, wet 'n slippery.

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Great info, thanks! I wish starline was in the habit of producing .460 rowland brass on a regular basis.
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