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04-20-2011, 13:18
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Philly PD assault OCer at gunpoint-Chapter IV- Arrest Warrant out for Viper
Evidently a warrant has been issued for Viper's arrest. No idea what the charges are at this point but it appears that a 5 man warrant squad appeared at his work place to attempt to arrest him. He was not at work and, to the best of my knowledge, not yet in custody.
http://forum.pafoa.org/open-carry-14...ml#post1570257
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04-20-2011, 14:23
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Originally Posted by chivvalry
Evidently a warrant has been issued for Viper's arrest. No idea what the charges are at this point but it appears that a 5 man warrant squad appeared at his work place to attempt to arrest him. He was not at work and, to the best of my knowledge, not yet in custody.
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Since he knows that he has a warrant, it would be a really, really good idea to turn himself in. His lawyer can arrange it. It would be a really, really bad idea to engage in another attempt to lecture the officers grabbing him up.
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04-20-2011, 14:30
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Philly PD assault OCer at gunpoint-Chapter IV- Arrest Warrant out for Viper
According to posts on another forum, an arrest warrant has been issued for ViperGTS19801. The nature of the charges are not known.
http://forum.pafoa.org/open-carry-14...ml#post1570257
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Re: Arrested by the Philadelphia Police for Open Carry
Mark just called me and informed me that a warrant for unknown charges has been issued for his arrest by the Philadelphia Police Department. 5 officers showed up at his place of work looking for him.
That is all I can share at this point.
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http://forum.pafoa.org/open-carry-14...ml#post1570558
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Re: Arrested by the Philadelphia Police for Open Carry
Just to update what I can...Mark does have a defense attorney now and this is all going to be taken care of in short order.
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http://forum.pafoa.org/open-carry-14...ml#post1570644
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Re: Arrested by the Philadelphia Police for Open Carry
I talked to Mark and he said that he spoke with a detective who said it was an arrest warrant and he needed to come turn himself in. Just not sure why it wouldn't be in the system or if we are being lied to(not by Mark).
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And then there are those trying so hard to be offended that they're imagining things that haven't even been said in a thread.
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04-20-2011, 14:46
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Originally Posted by Sam Spade
Since he knows that he has a warrant, it would be a really, really good idea to turn himself in. His lawyer can arrange it. It would be a really, really bad idea to engage in another attempt to lecture the officers grabbing him up.
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To the best of my knowledge I believe this is underway... establishing contact with his defense attorney, confirming there actually is a warrant, contacting the detective to understand where to surrender, ensuring someone is available to secure his weapon prior to going there, etc.
A couple people have been searching to try and find out if the warrant is real or not and what it might be for. So far they have not had any success. I thought it would have been fairly easy to call any PD station and query for a warrant? Is that not how it works?
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04-20-2011, 15:13
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Originally Posted by chivvalry
A couple people have been searching to try and find out if the warrant is real or not and what it might be for. So far they have not had any success. I thought it would have been fairly easy to call any PD station and query for a warrant? Is that not how it works?
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There's always a lag between the issuing of a warrant and the warrant's entry into the computer system. The warrant squad could quite possibly have a paper copy of the warrant before Joe the Desk Sergeant could find it in the data base. I wouldn't presume to guess what the delay is in Philly, but it's there.
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04-20-2011, 15:23
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Originally Posted by Sam Spade
Since he knows that he has a warrant, it would be a really, really good idea to turn himself in. His lawyer can arrange it. It would be a really, really bad idea to engage in another attempt to lecture the officers grabbing him up.
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Originally Posted by chivvalry
To the best of my knowledge I believe this is underway... establishing contact with his defense attorney, confirming there actually is a warrant, contacting the detective to understand where to surrender, ensuring someone is available to secure his weapon prior to going there, etc.
A couple people have been searching to try and find out if the warrant is real or not and what it might be for. So far they have not had any success. I thought it would have been fairly easy to call any PD station and query for a warrant? Is that not how it works?
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Originally Posted by Sam Spade
There's always a lag between the issuing of a warrant and the warrant's entry into the computer system. The warrant squad could quite possibly have a paper copy of the warrant before Joe the Desk Sergeant could find it in the data base. I wouldn't presume to guess what the delay is in Philly, but it's there.
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In case you want things moved from the other thread.
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04-20-2011, 15:32
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Good! Other OC Zealots take note, when you encounter LE, do as you are told and stop trying to be a curbside lawyer.
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04-20-2011, 15:52
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Holy crap! Is this debacle not over yet?
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04-20-2011, 15:54
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Originally Posted by BailRecoveryAgent
Holy crap! Is this debacle not over yet?
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Apparently Philly PD has entered their own solution on how to solve the problem.
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04-20-2011, 16:03
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Well, if he wanted to be a test case, he is now.
Hope he knows the laws as well as he thinks he does... and I mean that. I hate the idea of someone being harassed over a legal activity, but sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.
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04-20-2011, 16:11
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if in fact this warrant is for something in the incident he had then he will now have standing to challenge Philly's laws\standing orders.
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04-20-2011, 16:17
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Originally Posted by IndyGunFreak
Well, if he wanted to be a test case, he is now.
Hope he knows the laws as well as he thinks he does... and I mean that. I hate the idea of someone being harassed over a legal activity, but sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.
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Indeed. 100% agree with Indy's post.
<-----Strongly supports open carry and understands that open carry and discretion aren't mutally exclusive and in fact should go hand in hand. Its a shame that so many can't seem to grasp the idea that there is a time and place for both open and concealed carry, and a persons discretion will dictate that.
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04-20-2011, 16:21
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Keep in mind, by his own words he has a criminal record (has been arrested in the past), so there is the possibility it's unrelated to the Open Carry incident that has been the subject of the threads in this forum.
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04-20-2011, 16:28
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Keep in mind, by his own words he has a criminal record (has been arrested in the past)...
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Only arrested? That wouldn't be a criminal record if he's never been convicted. People get arrested all the time.
Perhaps you meant arrested and convicted, I don't know.
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04-20-2011, 17:01
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He has a valid LTCF and so is not a prohibited person. Still no word on what the charges may be. Could be totally unrelated to the incident discussed so extensively... or it could be the Philly PD retaliating against him. Just don't know at this point.
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04-20-2011, 17:03
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Originally Posted by Sam Spade
There's always a lag between the issuing of a warrant and the warrant's entry into the computer system. The warrant squad could quite possibly have a paper copy of the warrant before Joe the Desk Sergeant could find it in the data base. I wouldn't presume to guess what the delay is in Philly, but it's there.
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That makes sense. Thanks.
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04-20-2011, 17:19
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Only arrested? That wouldn't be a criminal record if he's never been convicted. People get arrested all the time.
Perhaps you meant arrested and convicted, I don't know.
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IIRC he admits on another board to having several convictions on his record.
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04-20-2011, 18:18
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Originally Posted by TheeBadOne
IIRC he admits on another board to having several convictions on his record.
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He plead guilty.
http://ujsportal.pacourts.us/DocketS...=NT-0000501-09
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And then there are those trying so hard to be offended that they're imagining things that haven't even been said in a thread.
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04-20-2011, 18:35
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Originally Posted by chivvalry
He has a valid LTCF and so is not a prohibited person. Still no word on what the charges may be. Could be totally unrelated to the incident discussed so extensively... or it could be the Philly PD retaliating against him. Just don't know at this point.
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Yeah, that must be it 
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04-20-2011, 19:10
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Did I read that correctly... He's appealing a guilty plea?
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04-20-2011, 19:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chivvalry
A couple people have been searching to try and find out if the warrant is real or not and what it might be for. So far they have not had any success. I thought it would have been fairly easy to call any PD station and query for a warrant? Is that not how it works?
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No, that is not how it works. You can't just call up the PD and say, "Does so-and-so have a warrant?" and get an answer. We'll run you if you come in in person but not over the phone.
ETA: That having been said, some agencies post warrant lists online but I believe those are usually either municipal traffic warrants or the high-profile "Most Wanted" type warrants. For the most part, we don't give that information out over the phone.
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04-20-2011, 19:12
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Did I read that correctly... He's appealing a guilty plea?
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That was for a charge in 2009... settled case that he has admitted to and not related to the current events.
Latest I have is that he intends to surrender in the morning but I still don't know what the warrant is for.
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04-20-2011, 19:29
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I wish him the best of luck. I found Philly to be full of overreactive gun grabbing cops when I was there. Hell, they even took MY gun and I'm a licensed cop! 
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04-20-2011, 19:34
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Originally Posted by chivvalry
That was for a charge in 2009... settled case that he has admitted to and not related to the current events.
Latest I have is that he intends to surrender in the morning but I still don't know what the warrant is for.
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I'm not disputing when the charge was, or how it came about... It just shows there's an appeal in progress.... That struck me as odd.
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04-20-2011, 21:19
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