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Old 04-20-2011, 13:18   #1
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Philly PD assault OCer at gunpoint-Chapter IV- Arrest Warrant out for Viper

Evidently a warrant has been issued for Viper's arrest. No idea what the charges are at this point but it appears that a 5 man warrant squad appeared at his work place to attempt to arrest him. He was not at work and, to the best of my knowledge, not yet in custody.

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Evidently a warrant has been issued for Viper's arrest. No idea what the charges are at this point but it appears that a 5 man warrant squad appeared at his work place to attempt to arrest him. He was not at work and, to the best of my knowledge, not yet in custody.

http://forum.pafoa.org/open-carry-14...ml#post1570257
Since he knows that he has a warrant, it would be a really, really good idea to turn himself in. His lawyer can arrange it. It would be a really, really bad idea to engage in another attempt to lecture the officers grabbing him up.
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Philly PD assault OCer at gunpoint-Chapter IV- Arrest Warrant out for Viper

According to posts on another forum, an arrest warrant has been issued for ViperGTS19801. The nature of the charges are not known.

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Mark just called me and informed me that a warrant for unknown charges has been issued for his arrest by the Philadelphia Police Department. 5 officers showed up at his place of work looking for him.

That is all I can share at this point.
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Just to update what I can...Mark does have a defense attorney now and this is all going to be taken care of in short order.
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I talked to Mark and he said that he spoke with a detective who said it was an arrest warrant and he needed to come turn himself in. Just not sure why it wouldn't be in the system or if we are being lied to(not by Mark).
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Since he knows that he has a warrant, it would be a really, really good idea to turn himself in. His lawyer can arrange it. It would be a really, really bad idea to engage in another attempt to lecture the officers grabbing him up.
To the best of my knowledge I believe this is underway... establishing contact with his defense attorney, confirming there actually is a warrant, contacting the detective to understand where to surrender, ensuring someone is available to secure his weapon prior to going there, etc.

A couple people have been searching to try and find out if the warrant is real or not and what it might be for. So far they have not had any success. I thought it would have been fairly easy to call any PD station and query for a warrant? Is that not how it works?
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A couple people have been searching to try and find out if the warrant is real or not and what it might be for. So far they have not had any success. I thought it would have been fairly easy to call any PD station and query for a warrant? Is that not how it works?
There's always a lag between the issuing of a warrant and the warrant's entry into the computer system. The warrant squad could quite possibly have a paper copy of the warrant before Joe the Desk Sergeant could find it in the data base. I wouldn't presume to guess what the delay is in Philly, but it's there.
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Since he knows that he has a warrant, it would be a really, really good idea to turn himself in. His lawyer can arrange it. It would be a really, really bad idea to engage in another attempt to lecture the officers grabbing him up.
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To the best of my knowledge I believe this is underway... establishing contact with his defense attorney, confirming there actually is a warrant, contacting the detective to understand where to surrender, ensuring someone is available to secure his weapon prior to going there, etc.

A couple people have been searching to try and find out if the warrant is real or not and what it might be for. So far they have not had any success. I thought it would have been fairly easy to call any PD station and query for a warrant? Is that not how it works?
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There's always a lag between the issuing of a warrant and the warrant's entry into the computer system. The warrant squad could quite possibly have a paper copy of the warrant before Joe the Desk Sergeant could find it in the data base. I wouldn't presume to guess what the delay is in Philly, but it's there.
In case you want things moved from the other thread.
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Good! Other OC Zealots take note, when you encounter LE, do as you are told and stop trying to be a curbside lawyer.
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Holy crap! Is this debacle not over yet?
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Holy crap! Is this debacle not over yet?
Apparently Philly PD has entered their own solution on how to solve the problem.
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Well, if he wanted to be a test case, he is now.

Hope he knows the laws as well as he thinks he does... and I mean that. I hate the idea of someone being harassed over a legal activity, but sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.

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if in fact this warrant is for something in the incident he had then he will now have standing to challenge Philly's laws\standing orders.
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Well, if he wanted to be a test case, he is now.

Hope he knows the laws as well as he thinks he does... and I mean that. I hate the idea of someone being harassed over a legal activity, but sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.

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Keep in mind, by his own words he has a criminal record (has been arrested in the past), so there is the possibility it's unrelated to the Open Carry incident that has been the subject of the threads in this forum.
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Keep in mind, by his own words he has a criminal record (has been arrested in the past)...
Only arrested? That wouldn't be a criminal record if he's never been convicted. People get arrested all the time.

Perhaps you meant arrested and convicted, I don't know.
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He has a valid LTCF and so is not a prohibited person. Still no word on what the charges may be. Could be totally unrelated to the incident discussed so extensively... or it could be the Philly PD retaliating against him. Just don't know at this point.
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There's always a lag between the issuing of a warrant and the warrant's entry into the computer system. The warrant squad could quite possibly have a paper copy of the warrant before Joe the Desk Sergeant could find it in the data base. I wouldn't presume to guess what the delay is in Philly, but it's there.
That makes sense. Thanks.
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Only arrested? That wouldn't be a criminal record if he's never been convicted. People get arrested all the time.

Perhaps you meant arrested and convicted, I don't know.
IIRC he admits on another board to having several convictions on his record.
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IIRC he admits on another board to having several convictions on his record.
He plead guilty.

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He has a valid LTCF and so is not a prohibited person. Still no word on what the charges may be. Could be totally unrelated to the incident discussed so extensively... or it could be the Philly PD retaliating against him. Just don't know at this point.
Yeah, that must be it
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Did I read that correctly... He's appealing a guilty plea?

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