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Old 11-01-2010, 11:34   #41
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Okie...:

Perhaps there is one point in this debate that you really haven't considered, that may, or may not have some bearing. I guess it depends on one's point of view.

You've stated that you've been loading for over forty years... good on ya. The loading world needs people with diverse experience to pass on their knowledge. However, with that experience and knowledge come responsibility.

You're not sitting in some hunting camp with a bunch of old school buddies rehashing the good old years or pooling your experiences and deciding to try something that is a bit less than mainstream, or the proven and accepted method.

Instead, you're posting on a loading forum intended to teach the young and uninformed how to embark on a career of loading in a safe and previously approved manner. Without trying to be insulting, the simple truth is many prospective loaders who visit this forum are only slightly above the level of being able to spell gun without being spotted the G and the N.

Although your motivation may indeed have been well meaning your comments about mixing unknown powders was totally irresponsible given the potentially tenuous environment. Perhaps comments, or suggestions such as those would be better suited for an audience of experienced and knowledgeable loaders rather than the uninformed and easily influenced.


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Old 11-01-2010, 11:35   #42
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I think that if your sample size of WTF increases enough you'll reach a point where it will average and 5gr will be a safe starting point.

Or you'll blow up your gun.
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Old 11-01-2010, 11:37   #43
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Which Lee dipper would that be, gwalchmai?
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Old 11-01-2010, 11:38   #44
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I like packing a wheel weight down on about 7 grains of WTF and blasting away. It never gets boring.


This guy has used WTF powder w/ great results, and he saves money by not buying manuals!... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98I1i8Toj8E
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Old 11-01-2010, 11:46   #45
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Which Lee dipper would that be, gwalchmai?
The 5gr dipper.
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Old 11-01-2010, 11:53   #47
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Well Jack, I don't mind some good natured ribbing, been known to engage in some myself from time to time. However, I have always had little use for people who wanted to wallow in their ignorance. Picked that up from mom and dad too. Maybe also because where I grew up that could get you killed.
In any case the OP was referencing pistol ammo and in my post is a clue, for those willing to see it as to how to do it and have no problems. "Because I label it as 'mixed pistol powder" and treat it as a fast powder." Treat it as a fast powder. The actual burning rate will always be the same as or slower than a "fast" (TG,BE,TW,etc.) powder. It is quite simple actually.
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Old 11-01-2010, 13:31   #48
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Ok Chris, that one is a little over the top. That person should have their guns taken away from them, that one is just wrong on so many levels.
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Old 11-01-2010, 13:35   #49
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Treat it as a fast powder. The actual burning rate will always be the same as or slower than a "fast" (TG,BE,TW,etc.) powder. It is quite simple actually.
This is a guess & you shoud know that. BE, TG are not exact so how possibly could mixing a bunch of stuff make them "exact"? Load TG using BE data & you could have an issue. Again, loading mousefart loads, maybe, anything can be made to go bang. At least put a huge disclaimer after such a statement. There are shows like JackAss where people do all kinds of foolish things, & sometimes they get away w/ it. Calling it simple & safe though is a huge stretch IMHO. I know guts that load off the books & say it's safe because their gun hasn't come aprt, yet.
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Old 11-01-2010, 13:41   #50
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Ok Chris, that one is a little over the top. That person should have their guns taken away from them, that one is just wrong on so many levels.
Ya, I googled Darwin Award and that's the first thing that come up. I assume the gun is fake, which still doesn't make it right
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Old 11-01-2010, 13:48   #51
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Again, loading mousefart laods, maybe, anything can be made to go bang. At least put a huge disclaimer after such a statement.
I agree, especially since we weren't talking about WHICH pistol loads we were talking about.

.38 in a revolver? Probably could load some mousefart loads and be "okay".

A high pressure round like .40? In a semi-auto? Maybe get something shootable, *maybe* have an issue.

The fact that you didn't say "This is what I do, but I wouldn't advise it for newbies", but instead jumped on me like I was an idiot when I questioned the practice. Yet I haven't read ONE other person who thinks it's a good idea.

But I am glad to see a bunch of OTHERS chime in and say "Bad idea".

So let me run some numbers:

The number of people who think "mixed powder is okay"
1

The number of people who think "WTF?"
Everybody else

Throw all the sand you want, Okie... but you could make a point without being such a jerk about it.
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Old 11-01-2010, 13:48   #52
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Well Jack, I don't mind some good natured ribbing, been known to engage in some myself from time to time. However, I have always had little use for people who wanted to wallow in their ignorance. Picked that up from mom and dad too. Maybe also because where I grew up that could get you killed.
In any case the OP was referencing pistol ammo and in my post is a clue, for those willing to see it as to how to do it and have no problems. "Because I label it as 'mixed pistol powder" and treat it as a fast powder." Treat it as a fast powder. The actual burning rate will always be the same as or slower than a "fast" (TG,BE,TW,etc.) powder. It is quite simple actually.
I've carefully read every post in this thread. I understand what you are doing and though I don't necessarily agree with it. However, do consider that your method errors to the safe side considering your mixed batch of powder as a "ubber" fast. Though chemically there could still be an issue with mixing the unknowns.
Never the less, it is not a practice that should be condoned by any means. Especially to the new “internet only” reloader. I can guarantee that this thread alone will be passed on by word of mouth and electronic forwarding it will be construed as…. “Hey I read on the internet you can use that powder for machine gun ammo, just fill the case!!!”
I collect unfired cases all the time at matches and the range, probably have a couple dozen right now sitting in my bench drawer ready to pull. I disassemble then for the brass and keep the caliber heads that I’m familiar with for a plinking round later down the line. The powder gets tossed…
How much powder do you actually collect from how many cases that have picked up? To save enough to make loading a batch of 50 rounds of anything with your “WTF” Powder X, is it even worthwhile? Do you consider it to be a 0.5 variance for example as in TG with 9mm or something else? Mixing powders is a documented rule in just about every manual out there. It shouldn’t be done, if I did do it I certainly wouldn’t brag about it and use my age as a excuse for going against the status quote.
I’ll be honest when I read you posts the first opinion that popped up in my head is “WTF?! How a cheap can an old, the old fart get?!”
With my peace said, I’ll echo the words above…. “new reloaders don’t try this at home… not a safe practice alone regardless of the side you error on. Okie, if it’s really that tight we can put a collection together to send a pound of powder for your loss comings in stopping you “WTF” powder practice. Just would not want to hear of you getting hurt.
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“WTF?! How a cheap can an old the old fart get?!”
Hey Boxer... can you translate the above sentence for me ?

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What can I say?! I was so shocked .... I stuttered!
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Like mixing bleach and Ammonia for a hi-powered window cleaner. Ahhhhhhh I love the smell of mustard gas in the morning..... But I digress. Maybe if I was scrounging through the rubble of a post nuclear apocalyptic, zombie infested lands, with rabid 200 pound mutant tree squrriels and I needed powder to reload my caliber to fend off the ghouls, and the super nutters. But it would be in a make shift mount with me hiding behind the walls the mythbusters use and pulling a long string attached to the trigger... I may be dumb but i'm not stoopid. But then again since that's not happening and I don't have the room to store homebrew powder. It's going down the Sh***r, or feedin the plants. And i'm off to the store to buy some fresh clean non apocalyptic powder for my reloads. I love creativity but I have limits. As my CO used to say "Govern yourselves accordingly"
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Does it meter well? That's all I want to know.
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Does it meter well? That's all I want to know.
The "Unique" part keeps getting hung up. Or so I've heard....
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You guys are a HOOT! It's like tossing a mouse into a bunch of old women. I guess it is good that you weren't around when we broke the sound barrier or went to the moon or any one of a bunch of other things that everyone "just knew" couldn't possibly be done, much less safely. I'll leave you alone to get your dresses back in order.
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You guys are a HOOT! It's like tossing a mouse into a bunch of old women. I guess it is good that you weren't around when we broke the sound barrier or went to the moon or any one of a bunch of other things that everyone "just knew" couldn't possibly be done, much less safely. I'll leave you alone to get your dresses back in order.

WoW i am surprised you still have fingers to type. Or maybe you use that cool straw thing like this guy..Reloading
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