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Old 08-19-2010, 12:17   #21
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On Duty issues: After one shooting situation I was involved in on the job (patrolman), the city attorney told me I was going to have to hire and pay for my own attorney. I politely explained that the suit was really against the city not me since I didn't have any meaningful assets, and that if the city wasn't going represent me I was going to testify for the other side.

The city kindly changed its mind and represented me.
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Old 08-29-2010, 13:17   #22
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Officer Charged in shooting

The LEO who shot the dog has been charged with 2 misdemeanors - discharging a weapon and animal cruelty.

This seems to suggest that when you choose to use your weapon in what you think is a self defense situation, your actions will be judged after the fact and yu may be requred to defend your actions in court. ... a sobering thought...
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Old 09-02-2010, 20:19   #23
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All of these stories are what first? Individual instances or cases tried. In different areas, by different people, by different lawyers, by different prosecutors, and covered by different newspapermen and covered by different news channels.

EVERY instance is different.

Every case is different.

In different counties in FL there are a multitude of varying attitudes toward firearms and self defense. There are justified shootings that somehow make it to court, for only the victim to be exonerated at a heavy monetary cost. There are also questionable shooting fatalities which meet the same fate in the benefit of the shooter.

You could have a justified shooting in a gun rights friendly county with a gun rights favorable DA with a gun rights favorable judge and if the ADA wants to make a name for himself (or herself) and presents a better case than that of your "all you can afford for $15,000 attorney". You may find your justified behind, behind bars or at the least bankrupted by the family of someone who was trying to rob you but who was "such a sweet kid! He would have never hurt anyone, he was planning on going to college..."

Before you believe anything you see hear or read, learn a little law from a good lawyer, know what the rules of exculpatory evidence are, you may find yourself heeding my Fathers advice, "Diffuse and distract, vacate or flee, and only when you cannot run, as a last resort stand your ground and be certain to kill your aggressor . When all is safe, call the authorities, tell them that you were being attacked, attempt to resuscitate your assailant, when the authorities arrive cooperate but immediately request your right to legal counsel. Shut up."

There are too many variables for any one individual to know and too many individual cases for you to walk down the street that if 123&5 happens to you just like it happened to Mr. Soandso tha you'll share the same fate as he. That's impossible.
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Old 09-02-2010, 20:34   #24
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This is a sad case in the sense that they tried to kill the investigation. I think the force used was overboard. dogs will be dogs, and lethal force should be reserved for life and death situations. No words on the LEO's dog's injuries, I doubt there were any worth mentioning... aside from hearing damage from the 9mm.

The bullet perception was ofc played up by an amateur blogger who read some marketing crap on the net. It is irrelevant IMO.

This incident reminds me of my neighbors old pit bull. Don't get me wrong I've met my share of sweetheart pit bulls. But this was not one of them. One day he was off leash and charged at me as I exited my gf's car. I've never met this dog and I don't know it, so I pulled my pepper spray (before the gun carry days... and I'd still use the spray first to this day) I held my ground and shouted "Go home" his owner was after him the moment he saw what was up, by the second "go home" and a stomp on the ground towards the dog he turned tail. The first shout barely slowed him, the second and the stomp stunned him and made him think better. I bet this cop could have avoided it all if he'd shown a bit of balls.
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Old 09-03-2010, 16:26   #25
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I can not justify shooting a dog in this situation. It's not even remotely the same as protecting a human. He done messed up.
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:41   #26
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Maybe if he was protecting a small child he'd have a leg to stand on...
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Old 09-10-2010, 12:56   #27
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Originally Posted by DrBob View Post
There have been several fatal shootings in the papers and on the TV news recently (vid. the mass shooting at the beer distributors warehouse) but the one that has seemed to generate the most public anger is about the guy who went to a dog park and used his 9mm Glock loaded with hydroshock bullets in a fatal shooting.

Apparently he was off duty (federal cop of some sort) and felt his life and the life of his wife was in danger. However, there appear to be no credible eye witnesses (that have come forth). There is some question if he was legally allowed to carry in MD.

On a number of forum discussions, I've noted that people discuss scenarios in which they might or might not use deadly force. I doubt that this scenario has been discussed often in the past.

If you think that drawing your weapon, or firing your weapon, or killing something with your weapon is going to result in an open and shut case, this event suggests that you may be underestimating the public response to the use of deadly force.

Check out the links and then post your comments...

Police question if carry was legal


Police report

Hydroshock killing bullet

Editorial asking for investigation

Story on Facebook and thousands sign petition
I thought 9mm just bounced off people's skin??
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Old 09-10-2010, 20:49   #28
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Screw dogs. They are just animals. That is all. I am sick and tired of people who want to personify animals in general and especially those who project such views on dogs and cats in particular. If you love a dog or cat, fine. Keep it under control and don't expect anyone else to tolerate the animal. If it messes with someone one and they kill it, that's your problem. Control your animal. Otherwise, have a spade and some ground available. No one has any obligation to accommodate someone else's animal. As far as I'm concerned, the officer should be given a medal and replacement ammunition so that he will be loaded and ready if another uncontrolled dog needs to be given a round in the head. I own a dog and several cats. I take my dog out daily for walks/jogs/runs of 4-5 miles. I keep her on a leash unless we are in the open country. She is kept under control.
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