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Old 01-22-2010, 18:12   #351
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"... but I somehow doubt that the VAST majority of people staring down the wrong end of the barrel of the gun would be spending too much time measuring the diameter of the bore."


Not a matter of consciously spending time calculating. It's a visceral thing, like do you want to get in a fist fight with, a. a big guy, or, b. a little guy. Maybe the big hole in the front might penetrate the thick doped up skull, as opposed to something that might appear to be a toy.
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Old 01-22-2010, 19:22   #352
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Anybody use a .22 revolver?
I have a Taurus 94, nine shot revolver but it is not my primary home defense weapon. Those are an AR-15, Glock 30SF .45 ACP and a Taurus 651 .357 magnum. .22 is for practice.
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Old 01-26-2010, 22:12   #353
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Writer Bill Jordan wrote about the .22 rimfire (magnum) as a hideout piece
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Old 02-14-2010, 08:05   #354
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Any feedback on the Taurus .22 magnum snub nose revolver?
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Old 02-14-2010, 14:45   #355
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Any feedback on the Taurus .22 magnum snub nose revolver?
Here are some gel test

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Old 02-15-2010, 04:42   #356
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For the last few years the only thing I had in the house were rimfires rifles (live in country in very low crime area with many relatives nearby). 2 marlin 99 m1's and a Glenfield model 60.
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Old 02-15-2010, 19:15   #357
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I am suprised at the penetratioon of a .22 magnum from a short barrel...
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Old 02-22-2010, 12:54   #358
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This is a story yanked from THR by a guy who USED a .22 (mag - in an NAA Mini no less) to defend his home and family.

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.ph...ght=proud+boer

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Actual Shootout against armed killers.
Those of us who enjoy firearms in general and handguns in particular usually spend a lot of time practicing for the day we need to defend our loved ones and ourselves against attack. I am one of those individuals who have been fascinated by firearms and shooting since 10 years old, starting with my first BB gun. Since 1983 I've been a regular pistol and revolver shooter, competing over the years in Cowboy Action Shooting, Defensive Pistol Shooting as well as Practical Pistol Shooting.

Cowboys, Boers and the history of the rugged individuals who have invented our great modern world, have always interested me. In South Africa violent crime is high and therefore I am grateful for my mindset of self-reliance as I now live in the heart of the current day "wild west".

On the 8th of May 2008, I faced off a gang of three armed goblins who in the weeks preceding my attack, had robbed and killed numerous victims. These scumbags attacked me in front of my wife and daughter in the drive of my house at 20h00. I had just returned from a formal business function to launch the head office of a new dental insurance in Cape Town and was wearing a tuxedo and therefore only carrying single action .22 Magnum N.A.A. revolver. They wanted my house keys as well as the keys to my new Mercedes Benz SUV which I was driving. With their firearms pointed at me, I drew mine (thank God for years of practice), and shot the apparent leader of that gang in the chest - he screamed like a stuck pig and staggered backwards. The first thing I did was run for cover. As the other two were only about 20 feet away from me, bullets rained down on me as I hid momentarily behind a tree in my drive. In this exchange I was hit in the left arm (but actually felt nothing) and I returned fire hitting the first one of the two remaining goblins in the groin. He ran away to the getaway car standing in the road, shouting and crying and shooting into the air like a drunk Mexican officer during the Battle of the Alamo. There was one left besides the one who I shot first still staggering around.He still had his gun in hand and tried to point it again in my direction. I gave him another round to the chest and he disappeared to the getaway vehicle, fatally wounded as I was to find out in the days that followed. The last one had to run past me to get out of my drive and being the coward that these scum normally are, couldn't quite muster the courage. As I pointed my revolver and fired at him, the revolver blew up in my hand and I had no choice but to take him on bare handed. I smacked him to the ground by punching him in the face as the fact that I was now unarmed seemed to give him some courage. As he fell, he pulled off a shot and hit me in the right arm. He then turned and ran as he realised I was ready to fight to the death and he wasn't feeling well with a smashed nose.

My wife, at this stage, had taken my .45 A.C.P. out and passed it to me through the window, giving me clear instructions to finish them off. They got away only with my bullets in them and in pain and I was lucky enough to win the fight.

What did I learn from this?

1. Always carry a gun no matter how small it may be. Even when the last thing you expect is to be attacked, don't let your logic of statistical probability of not being in mortal danger lull you into a false sense of security.

2. Remember that in a gun fight - cover is king!

3. Practice regularly to allow for the advantage of competent surprise,
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most importantly, if you want to win a gun fight, the most important factor is resolve and commitment. You have to have the inner courage to decide in a split second that you are going to win the fight irrespective of the consequences and then carry out that plan with determination and courage that surprises and stuns your "would be" attackers.

I hope that the above sheds some light and gives some valuable insight into a real life gun fight. I would like to hear from others on this forum who have experienced the same or similar situations.

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This is the news story about it from his local paper. (It happened in South Africa)
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?art_i...lick_id=13&sf=


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A man was shot in both arms while fighting off three hijackers who were trying to steal his car late on Thursday.

Two of the robbers were injured.

The attempted hijacking is one in a string of incidents in the past two months in which four people were shot and killed and numerous cars hijacked in driveways.

The police recently announced that a crack hijacking unit had been established to break the back of what they say could be an organised syndicate operating across the city in recent months.

In the latest incident the Constantia man exchanged fire with the hijackers.

Southern Cross Drive in Constantia erupted in gunfire, just after 8pm, when the man, whom police have declined to identify, was arriving home.

Wynberg police spokesperson Inspector Ezra October said the man was about to turn into his driveway when he was approached by three armed men.

As they pointed their guns at him he fired his own gun, wounding one in the chest and another in the leg.

He ended up with two gun shot wounds to his arms. The man fled into his house to get another gun, but when he came out the hijackers had disappeared. His car, a new model Mercedes-Benz, was not taken.

No arrests have been made.

The new police unit will investigate the deaths of five people who were shot during attempted hijackings, as well as the hijacking of scores of cars across the city since the beginning of the year.

In Cape Town; Mitchells Plain, the southern suburbs, Khayelitsha, Philippi, Nyanga and Gugulethu have all been identified as hijacking hotspots.

Last week Christopher Smith, 51, of Woodlands, Mitchells Plain, died after being shot in the chest during an early morning driveway hijacking.

Three men fled the scene in Smith's Golf.

Also in Mitchells Plain two weeks ago Peter Mashonga escaped injury when he was hijacked outside his house.
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Old 02-22-2010, 13:22   #359
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This is a story yanked from THR by a guy who USED a .22 (mag - in an NAA Mini no less) to defend his home and family.

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.ph...ght=proud+boer



This is the news story about it from his local paper. (It happened in South Africa)
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?art_i...lick_id=13&sf=

I recall hearing two instances in which NAA mini-revolvers (.22LR flavor) were used in self-defense situations.

In one, a man heard a ruckus outside of his camper trailer and went outside to check. Someone was waiting outside the door. He was struck in the back of the head and knocked to the ground. The man immediately drew the mini-revolver from wherever he had it stashed, and fired off three wild shots. His attacker, and 2-3 others, immediately beat feet into the surrounding woods, never to appear again.

The other situation took place, I believe, in South Africa. A man was returning home with his family to his property on a long private drive when he was stopped by three rebels armed with rifles (I would assume AK's). The man somehow managed to divert their attention momentarily, during which time he drew his revolver and shot one bad guy in the stomach. Said bad guy, probably shocked, dropped like a sack. The other two bad guys fled.

Clearly, this is not an endorsement for a .22 mini-revolver as an end-all/be-all defensive weapon -- but is an indication that positive, determined and aggressive action can stem the tide against seemingly overwhelming odds.

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Old 02-22-2010, 14:03   #360
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I also heard that story before and its one of the selling points for me to get a NAA Pug. With something as small and light as a NAA Pug you have no excuse not to carry. The guy in the South Africa story was wearing a frickin Tux to a formal event and was still able to be armed.

The Pug with the night sights would be great.
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Old 02-22-2010, 14:14   #361
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Great thread. 3 years old and still going!!

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Old 02-22-2010, 15:37   #362
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I also heard that story before and its one of the selling points for me to get a NAA Pug. With something as small and light as a NAA Pug you have no excuse not to carry. The guy in the South Africa story was wearing a frickin Tux to a formal event and was still able to be armed.

The Pug with the night sights would be great.
I have the Pug with the night sights. It IS great.

Tho the story that made me want to get mine was different.

On another board, a guy who had horses was talking about coming up on one of his horses who had fallen in a ditch and broke its leg REALLY badly. As the horse was very old, he decided to put it out of its misery, but forgot to bring his main carry gun which was miles back home. The only gun he had on him was his NAA Pug. So he aimed carefully, and one shot dropped that horse dead in its tracks.

So I figured that if a .22 mag could take out a horse, it would be good enough for me.
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Old 02-22-2010, 17:54   #363
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Calibre is not the problem, placement is, and putting bullets into a well built mans torso, he died, but it took a while. If no vital organs were hit, he still would not have died in a hurry. No matter what he had been shot with.
Exactly. As far as "upping your chances" goes, combined with how comfortable my wife is with this piece, the Taurus 94 in .22 lr was the pick. All things considered, I would rather her have 9 rounds of CCI Velocitor than 5 rounds of 38 spl..........
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Old 02-22-2010, 19:36   #364
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ugh! I just cant bring myself to read this thread all over again.
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Old 02-22-2010, 21:57   #366
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I am surprized how welcome 22lr is here at GT for self defense. This topic was brought up several times over at rimfirecentral and it always ends desasterous!

The guys who are ok with 22lr for self defense get cut down and treated like gun toting idiots for even mentioning 22lr for self defense.

I personally am ok with velocitors or stingers in a 22 revolver for rock solid reliability and I know velocitors punch a pretty deep and nasty hole in flesh. I dont think I'd use a semi auto 22lr for self defense though.
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Old 02-22-2010, 22:39   #367
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IDK, if this thing is reliable and accurate, I can see it being decent for home defense.

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IDK, if this thing is reliable and accurate, I can see it being decent for home defense.

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A .22 mag out of a barrel that length averages about 1600 fps depending on ammo used. (think poly tip v-max that average 2200fps out of a 20" .22 mag barrel) This equates to a CCI Stinger in 22lr out of a 20" barrel. Times that by 30 and you have one bad-ass sidearm. For those naysayers out there that's approx 6000ft lbs of energy (200 ft lbs x 30) going into your attacker with plenty of penetration and virtually no recoil or muzzle flip allowing for faster target re-acquisition.

You can't tell me that you wouldn't carry that for SD. You wouldn't even need to carry reloads.
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Old 02-23-2010, 08:22   #369
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I am surprized how welcome 22lr is here at GT for self defense. This topic was brought up several times over at rimfirecentral and it always ends desasterous!

The guys who are ok with 22lr for self defense get cut down and treated like gun toting idiots for even mentioning 22lr for self defense.
Yeah, I have gotten some crap for it- but when I said "all things considered" in 9 .22 lr in favor of 5 .38 spl, I meant that my wife shoots it VERY well, and most importantly, is confident in her weapon and her ability to use it. By the 5th round of .38 from her snubbie revovler, it hurt her hand. That is something that I could never get her past.

I would rather her carry the .22 lr than nothing.
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Wonder why?????
Part of the store mention that he took cover behind a tree. He could have dug his gun hand into the ground and got an obstruction or maybe the cylinder retaining pin came loose.

That is another reason why I like the pug over the regular NNA mini. The Pug is a little more beefy and has a better retaining pin latch.
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Yeah, I have gotten some crap for it- but when I said "all things considered" in 9 .22 lr in favor of 5 .38 spl, I meant that my wife shoots it VERY well, and most importantly, is confident in her weapon and her ability to use it. By the 5th round of .38 from her snubbie revovler, it hurt her hand. That is something that I could never get her past.

I would rather her carry the .22 lr than nothing.
That is what so many gun guys fail to realize. If your wife is a good shot with a .22, and likes it go for it. Its better then having her use a .38 that makes her flinch and miss.
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I'm confused here is the Keltec .22 magnum in production?
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Old 02-24-2010, 20:54   #373
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I'm confused here is the Keltec .22 magnum in production?
I believe soon to be released. So, yes, it's more than likley in production
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I personally am ok with velocitors or stingers in a 22 revolver for rock solid reliability and I know velocitors punch a pretty deep and nasty hole in flesh. I dont think I'd use a semi auto 22lr for self defense though.
I bought a Ruger Mark II about six months ago. I love it but finding decent varmit ammo until yesterday was impossible, when I discovered a local gun shop that carries Velocitor.

I have good semi-automatic pistols for self defense but my wife is horrified of guns. My daughter has shot them but she's still relatively young and has taken quite well to the .22lr. I'm thinking that perhaps this summer I might be able to get the missus to try the Ruger. If so, leaving her with the .22lr loaded with Velocitors when I have to occasionally be away is surely better than leaving her timid and afraid while being completely defenseless.

Are Velocitors as good as I've read, and are they reliable in semi-autos like the Mark II? I've read some comments that they're only designed for rifles.
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Old 02-26-2010, 04:15   #375
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Reading this thread, I guess the best ammo for defence is the Velocitors. I thought there was is another hi-vel solid from another mfgr that would also be good. My wife carries a 6-shot snub revolver on her inner thigh, because she mostly wears dresses and a hip or IWB is out. I want her to have the hardest hitting and deepest penetrating round (easy guys!!). Can't chance a jam with an auto, so an aluminum framed revolver was our choice.
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