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Old 01-02-2010, 18:55   #341
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Old 01-06-2010, 12:03   #342
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I am not really supposed to talk about this but...

... the French Para Airborne Navel Special Infantry Equipment Squadran (PANSIES) were issued 22s to hunt terrorists in Antartica. They'd still be there but their commanders surrendered to a bunch of little guys dressed in tuxedos.
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Old 01-06-2010, 15:32   #343
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My wife's primary personal defense pistol is a Taurus 94 in .22 lr. Nine shots of 22 stinger will get yer attention.
Upgrade to 40gr Velocitors. . Same company (CCI). . But they are Stingers on Steroids. . Good track record of deep penetration (9"+) and expansion (0.32"+), with 90%+ bullet weight retention.
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Old 01-06-2010, 17:58   #344
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Upgrade to 40gr Velocitors. . Same company (CCI). . But they are Stingers on Steroids. . Good track record of deep penetration (9"+) and expansion (0.32"+), with 90%+ bullet weight retention.

Excellent suggestion. I have heard that those are nasty little rounds...... I am on the prowl for some now. Thanks for the tip and stay safe, everyone!

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Old 01-07-2010, 00:28   #345
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Upgrade to 40gr Velocitors. . Same company (CCI). . But they are Stingers on Steroids. . Good track record of deep penetration (9"+) and expansion (0.32"+), with 90%+ bullet weight retention.
The Velocitors are a good load in a .22 rifle as well. I always keep some on hand. Veral Smith (LBT Bullets) a few years ago was telling folks to stock up on them. He was very impressed with their performance. One of his points was that they are loaded similar to the high speed .22 LR in the days of old. The Velocitors have higher velocity than most high speed 40 grain loads with a better bullet. They would be a good load for the guy that keeps a .22 as a farm gun or for a last ditch survival gun.
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Old 01-10-2010, 21:12   #346
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In another thread the guy is looking at .22 pocket pistols because of a law in north carolina says it has to be a .22 lr. Anybody know what law that is?

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Old 01-13-2010, 22:17   #347
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I gather its a hunting issue...
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Old 01-22-2010, 18:19   #348
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The only handgun I see in my hand with .22 Rimfire in it, the S&W 63, the curse of .22 LR, it can misfire, with the Revolver, press the trigger again!..
I wouldn't consider a .22 auto because of the possibility of a misfire/jam, but I like a .22 revolver. I have the .22LR S&W 317 1 7/8" barrel, 8 shots, super light weight, much better follow up ability than my 340PD because it has practically no recoil, plus 8 shots vs. 5. On the other hand the bigger bullet has better stopping power, and - another thing that's not mentioned much - the bigger hole in front has more intimidation power, since in most cases you'll just want to defuse the situation and, ideally, capture the bad guy without actually shooting. The 317 is lighter than the Scandium 340PD .38/.357, too. So I'm OK carrying either, but for home defense I prefer a Glock.
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Old 01-22-2010, 18:46   #349
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I wouldn't consider a .22 auto because of the possibility of a misfire/jam, but I like a .22 revolver. I have the .22LR S&W 317 1 7/8" barrel, 8 shots, super light weight, much better follow up ability than my 340PD because it has practically no recoil, plus 8 shots vs. 5. On the other hand the bigger bullet has better stopping power, and - another thing that's not mentioned much - the bigger hole in front has more intimidation power, since in most cases you'll just want to defuse the situation and, ideally, capture the bad guy without actually shooting. The 317 is lighter than the Scandium 340PD .38/.357, too. So I'm OK carrying either, but for home defense I prefer a Glock.

Not to discount the big muzzle/bigger threat notion entirely -- but I somehow doubt that the VAST majority of people staring down the wrong end of the barrel of the gun would be spending too much time measuring the diameter of the bore. I suspect that their reaction would be to either: 1) run away; or 2) continue to attack because they're plain crazy. But it won't be because they took the time to judge the bore dimension.

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Old 01-22-2010, 19:00   #350
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Never really thought much about the rimfire for HD until recently. Think about a Sig 522 or new AR 22 with a can/suppressor on it if you had multiple intruders. Take them out one by one and they would never know where you were.
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"... but I somehow doubt that the VAST majority of people staring down the wrong end of the barrel of the gun would be spending too much time measuring the diameter of the bore."


Not a matter of consciously spending time calculating. It's a visceral thing, like do you want to get in a fist fight with, a. a big guy, or, b. a little guy. Maybe the big hole in the front might penetrate the thick doped up skull, as opposed to something that might appear to be a toy.
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Old 01-22-2010, 20:22   #352
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Anybody use a .22 revolver?
I have a Taurus 94, nine shot revolver but it is not my primary home defense weapon. Those are an AR-15, Glock 30SF .45 ACP and a Taurus 651 .357 magnum. .22 is for practice.
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Old 01-26-2010, 23:12   #353
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Writer Bill Jordan wrote about the .22 rimfire (magnum) as a hideout piece
http://www.thehighroad.us/showthread.php?p=5163363
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Old 02-14-2010, 09:05   #354
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Any feedback on the Taurus .22 magnum snub nose revolver?
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Old 02-14-2010, 15:45   #355
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Any feedback on the Taurus .22 magnum snub nose revolver?
Here are some gel test

http://www.brassfetcher.com/22WMR.html
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Old 02-15-2010, 05:42   #356
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For the last few years the only thing I had in the house were rimfires rifles (live in country in very low crime area with many relatives nearby). 2 marlin 99 m1's and a Glenfield model 60.
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I am suprised at the penetratioon of a .22 magnum from a short barrel...
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Old 02-22-2010, 13:54   #358
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This is a story yanked from THR by a guy who USED a .22 (mag - in an NAA Mini no less) to defend his home and family.

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.ph...ght=proud+boer

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Actual Shootout against armed killers.
Those of us who enjoy firearms in general and handguns in particular usually spend a lot of time practicing for the day we need to defend our loved ones and ourselves against attack. I am one of those individuals who have been fascinated by firearms and shooting since 10 years old, starting with my first BB gun. Since 1983 I've been a regular pistol and revolver shooter, competing over the years in Cowboy Action Shooting, Defensive Pistol Shooting as well as Practical Pistol Shooting.

Cowboys, Boers and the history of the rugged individuals who have invented our great modern world, have always interested me. In South Africa violent crime is high and therefore I am grateful for my mindset of self-reliance as I now live in the heart of the current day "wild west".

On the 8th of May 2008, I faced off a gang of three armed goblins who in the weeks preceding my attack, had robbed and killed numerous victims. These scumbags attacked me in front of my wife and daughter in the drive of my house at 20h00. I had just returned from a formal business function to launch the head office of a new dental insurance in Cape Town and was wearing a tuxedo and therefore only carrying single action .22 Magnum N.A.A. revolver. They wanted my house keys as well as the keys to my new Mercedes Benz SUV which I was driving. With their firearms pointed at me, I drew mine (thank God for years of practice), and shot the apparent leader of that gang in the chest - he screamed like a stuck pig and staggered backwards. The first thing I did was run for cover. As the other two were only about 20 feet away from me, bullets rained down on me as I hid momentarily behind a tree in my drive. In this exchange I was hit in the left arm (but actually felt nothing) and I returned fire hitting the first one of the two remaining goblins in the groin. He ran away to the getaway car standing in the road, shouting and crying and shooting into the air like a drunk Mexican officer during the Battle of the Alamo. There was one left besides the one who I shot first still staggering around.He still had his gun in hand and tried to point it again in my direction. I gave him another round to the chest and he disappeared to the getaway vehicle, fatally wounded as I was to find out in the days that followed. The last one had to run past me to get out of my drive and being the coward that these scum normally are, couldn't quite muster the courage. As I pointed my revolver and fired at him, the revolver blew up in my hand and I had no choice but to take him on bare handed. I smacked him to the ground by punching him in the face as the fact that I was now unarmed seemed to give him some courage. As he fell, he pulled off a shot and hit me in the right arm. He then turned and ran as he realised I was ready to fight to the death and he wasn't feeling well with a smashed nose.

My wife, at this stage, had taken my .45 A.C.P. out and passed it to me through the window, giving me clear instructions to finish them off. They got away only with my bullets in them and in pain and I was lucky enough to win the fight.

What did I learn from this?

1. Always carry a gun no matter how small it may be. Even when the last thing you expect is to be attacked, don't let your logic of statistical probability of not being in mortal danger lull you into a false sense of security.

2. Remember that in a gun fight - cover is king!

3. Practice regularly to allow for the advantage of competent surprise,
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most importantly, if you want to win a gun fight, the most important factor is resolve and commitment. You have to have the inner courage to decide in a split second that you are going to win the fight irrespective of the consequences and then carry out that plan with determination and courage that surprises and stuns your "would be" attackers.

I hope that the above sheds some light and gives some valuable insight into a real life gun fight. I would like to hear from others on this forum who have experienced the same or similar situations.

Proud Boer.

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This is the news story about it from his local paper. (It happened in South Africa)
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?art_i...lick_id=13&sf=


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A man was shot in both arms while fighting off three hijackers who were trying to steal his car late on Thursday.

Two of the robbers were injured.

The attempted hijacking is one in a string of incidents in the past two months in which four people were shot and killed and numerous cars hijacked in driveways.

The police recently announced that a crack hijacking unit had been established to break the back of what they say could be an organised syndicate operating across the city in recent months.

In the latest incident the Constantia man exchanged fire with the hijackers.

Southern Cross Drive in Constantia erupted in gunfire, just after 8pm, when the man, whom police have declined to identify, was arriving home.

Wynberg police spokesperson Inspector Ezra October said the man was about to turn into his driveway when he was approached by three armed men.

As they pointed their guns at him he fired his own gun, wounding one in the chest and another in the leg.

He ended up with two gun shot wounds to his arms. The man fled into his house to get another gun, but when he came out the hijackers had disappeared. His car, a new model Mercedes-Benz, was not taken.

No arrests have been made.

The new police unit will investigate the deaths of five people who were shot during attempted hijackings, as well as the hijacking of scores of cars across the city since the beginning of the year.

In Cape Town; Mitchells Plain, the southern suburbs, Khayelitsha, Philippi, Nyanga and Gugulethu have all been identified as hijacking hotspots.

Last week Christopher Smith, 51, of Woodlands, Mitchells Plain, died after being shot in the chest during an early morning driveway hijacking.

Three men fled the scene in Smith's Golf.

Also in Mitchells Plain two weeks ago Peter Mashonga escaped injury when he was hijacked outside his house.
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This is a story yanked from THR by a guy who USED a .22 (mag - in an NAA Mini no less) to defend his home and family.

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.ph...ght=proud+boer



This is the news story about it from his local paper. (It happened in South Africa)
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?art_i...lick_id=13&sf=

I recall hearing two instances in which NAA mini-revolvers (.22LR flavor) were used in self-defense situations.

In one, a man heard a ruckus outside of his camper trailer and went outside to check. Someone was waiting outside the door. He was struck in the back of the head and knocked to the ground. The man immediately drew the mini-revolver from wherever he had it stashed, and fired off three wild shots. His attacker, and 2-3 others, immediately beat feet into the surrounding woods, never to appear again.

The other situation took place, I believe, in South Africa. A man was returning home with his family to his property on a long private drive when he was stopped by three rebels armed with rifles (I would assume AK's). The man somehow managed to divert their attention momentarily, during which time he drew his revolver and shot one bad guy in the stomach. Said bad guy, probably shocked, dropped like a sack. The other two bad guys fled.

Clearly, this is not an endorsement for a .22 mini-revolver as an end-all/be-all defensive weapon -- but is an indication that positive, determined and aggressive action can stem the tide against seemingly overwhelming odds.

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Old 02-22-2010, 15:03   #360
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I also heard that story before and its one of the selling points for me to get a NAA Pug. With something as small and light as a NAA Pug you have no excuse not to carry. The guy in the South Africa story was wearing a frickin Tux to a formal event and was still able to be armed.

The Pug with the night sights would be great.
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