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Old 01-05-2010, 09:41   #101
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If anyone cares, I just found out that Winchester Ranger T series is on par with the average, 1350fps and Federal HST is said to chrono about 1360. Leaving Double Tap the king of the .357sig in terms of velocity. Followed by buffalo bore.
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Old 01-06-2010, 07:45   #102
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If anyone cares, I just found out that Winchester Ranger T series is on par with the average, 1350fps and Federal HST is said to chrono about 1360. Leaving Double Tap the king of the .357sig in terms of velocity. Followed by buffalo bore.
i'm still curious as to whether the hst's are experiencing jacket seperation and fragmentation at the .357 SIG velocities. that is their claim to fame along with consistent expansion and it should make for a pretty potent load if it lives up to its hype in the other calibers.
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Old 01-06-2010, 08:24   #103
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i'm still curious as to whether the hst's are experiencing jacket seperation and fragmentation at the .357 SIG velocities. that is their claim to fame along with consistent expansion and it should make for a pretty potent load if it lives up to its hype in the other calibers.
Are you saying that HSTs have areputation for fragmentation and jacket separation? Thats how I read it. I have some coming, and I'll have to test that for you by shooting some covered water jugs or if im feeling rich maybe Ill shoot some gel. If someone has beaten me to it let me know and save me some time.
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Are you saying that HSTs have areputation for fragmentation and jacket separation? Thats how I read it. I have some coming, and I'll have to test that for you by shooting some covered water jugs or if im feeling rich maybe Ill shoot some gel. If someone has beaten me to it let me know and save me some time.
no exactly the opposite. HST's reputation is one of 100% weight retention and lack of jacket separation even through hard barriers. i'm curious to see if they maintain those characteristics at the high velocities of 357 SIG rounds. i haven't been able to find any ballistics testing or results of the HSTs in this caliber. i wish i had enough property to do the tests myself, but unfortunately don't.

i made an attempt to organize this kind of testing by another GT member who does awesome videos and consistent tests and asked for contributions of various 357 SIG loads. there haven't been many members who have displayed any interest in donating their SD rounds for the testing though. if you are interested let me know.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1160333
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Old 01-06-2010, 09:35   #105
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no exactly the opposite. HST's reputation is one of 100% weight retention and lack of jacket separation even through hard barriers. i'm curious to see if they maintain those characteristics at the high velocities of 357 SIG rounds.
Thats good, I hadn't heard of those problems with these rounds. I was also think that at this velocity the "petals" may peel back too far becoming more or less the same diameter that they started.

Hopfully I will be able to test GD, DT, Ranger T and HST soon and come up with a definitive conclusion.

If you notice on the GDs the hollowpoint is very shallow, probly to avoid over expansion I havn't recieve any of the others to compare yet (in commute), but I assume they are deeper cavities.
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Thats good, I hadn't heard of those problems with these rounds. I was also think that at this velocity the "petals" may peel back too far becoming more or less the same diameter that they started.

Hopfully I will be able to test GD, DT, Ranger T and HST soon and come up with a definitive conclusion.

If you notice on the GDs the hollowpoint is very shallow, probly to avoid over expansion I havn't recieve any of the others to compare yet (in commute), but I assume they are deeper cavities.
those are the 4 rounds i really wanted to see results on. if you could perform the tests that would be awesome. videos and pictures of each test would be even better.

i don't have any hst in 357 yet but those and rangers tend to have deeper hp cavities than the GD in other calibers. DT is supposed to be using GD bullets in their rounds so those two should be the same.
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Old 01-10-2010, 19:34   #107
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does anyone know the difference between factory Speer Gold Dot and Double Tap Gold Dot as far as velocity f.p.s and ft. lbs. energy, if any??? thanks in advance
Bruce, the best thing about the .357 Sig is that not so dependent on bullet design to create expansion...., that said, I carry Buffalo Bore 125's and use Powerball for HD...
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Old 01-15-2010, 17:07   #108
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Ok!! have another loading on the way: Speer 100gr frangibles
That will bring the list to 71. Of course, as per usual, I will update the list when I actually have the product in hand!! My P229 ( which has 60 of these loadings down the tube) should get a good workout this spring!!
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Old 01-18-2010, 19:33   #109
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Ok....again!! I have another loading on the way: Remanufactured ammo from Middle Creek Shooting Supply

I will update list on page one when this arrives -#72....Wow!
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Old 01-20-2010, 15:04   #110
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List on page one updated to read...

6.) CCI Speer Lawman RHT - 100g - franjible

more coming...
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Old 01-22-2010, 11:38   #111
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The doubletap ammunition I received (.357sig) have the bonded defense bullets loaded into the brass, not gold dots. Anyone have pictures or feedback on the performance of these bullets particularly in terms of expansion?
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List on page one updated to read...


45.) Middle Creek Shooting Supply - 124g - FN (RL)

Got a nice letter from this outfit that came with the ammo! A hand written footnote at the bottom said:

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This is the same load I use on my Glock 32. Please let me know how your gun likes them.
There is more out there...but my wallet needs to take a breather..
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Old 02-26-2010, 07:11   #113
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Two more loads coming!!!

Fiocchi -124g - XTP Hollow Point
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Fiocchi -100g - lead-less frangible ammo

This will bring the total on page one to 74.....will update list when ammo is on hand...
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Old 02-26-2010, 07:36   #114
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Old 03-05-2010, 06:40   #115
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List on page one updated to read:

32.) Fiocchi - 124g - FMJ
33.) Fiocchi - 124g -XTPHP


I also ordered two more loadings from Midway:


Extreme Shock CT-2 Tactical Ammunition 357 Sig 90 Grain Copper Jacketed Polymer Tip Lead-Free. I believe this is different than the 90g "fang-face" load as this has a polymer tip rather than a hollow point. Looking at web-sites the 90g fang-face is no longer offered.

and

SBR LaserMatch Tracer Ammunition 357 Sig 124 Grain Full Metal Jacket ERVT (backordered)

This will bring the total to 76....I will try to research Extreme Shock a little more...
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Old 03-05-2010, 07:42   #116
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Extreme Shock CT-2 Tactical Ammunition 357 Sig 90 Grain Copper Jacketed Polymer Tip Lead-Free. I believe this is different than the 90g "fang-face" load as this has a polymer tip rather than a hollow point. Looking at web-sites the 90g fang-face is no longer offered.
Yes! Just checked my ammo stash and, by pure dumb luck, I have a 20rnd box of the 90gr FFHP. The others I shot up. Definitely different than the one pictured by Midway...
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Old 03-10-2010, 07:54   #117
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List on page one updated to read:

27.)Extreme Shock-90g-JPT-(lead free-franj)

When I first started buying 357sig ammo in 1999, I never thought the list would get this long
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Old 03-18-2010, 22:58   #118
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Another load on the way!! Also from Midway:

125g FMJ from Prvi Partizan as seen here:

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=471352

and here:

http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=AP357SIG

This will bring the list to 76 with the one load still backordered..
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54.) Prvi Partizan - 125g - FPJ

Now at 76.
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Old 03-30-2010, 21:24   #120
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Hey guys anyone had experience with Winchester ranger t enhansed 357 sig thinking about changing ccw ammo I've never. Shot them
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i see people here compare speer, hst and ranger with double tap. is dt ammo trusted as much as the large companies? i have asked about this before on another topic and most people said no, but here i have read many saying they had switch from speer to dt. dt velocities are impressive but wouldn't that be much harder on a glock or not?

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Old 07-09-2010, 00:52   #122
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i see people here compare speer, hst and ranger with double tap. is dt ammo trusted as much as the large companies? i have asked about this before on another topic and most people said no, but here i have read many saying they had switch from speer to dt. dt velocities are impressive but wouldn't that be much harder on a glock or not?
dt has suffered a serious reputation drop. for the most part dt has started using the montana gold bullet instead of the gold dot. of course you know montana gold is not on par with the gold dot. this is not the only problem however. the main problem when you talk about dt being trusted is that they are not always informing their customers that they are changing their bullets. the customer is left to figure this out once they receive their product. not good business. until such practices are changed i can't recommend trusting them. imho of course.
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Old 07-10-2010, 14:18   #124
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I picked up 100 rounds of Ranger T from LuckyGunner, and now have all of my mags loaded with it. I previously had a mix of Ranger T and Gold Dot that I got with the pistol. The leftover Rangers and all of the Gold Dots are now sitting in the safe. If anyone is interested, LG had the Ranger T's for $30 per 50 round box.

Edit to add: Those rat bastards have since dropped the price to $27 a box. Oh well.

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Old 08-12-2010, 07:04   #125
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Just ordered a box of Grizzly Cartridge Company ammunition as seen here:

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=833778

I will add it to the list when I get it!!!
(Hey! If there are any companies out there that aren't on the list - and want to be added quickly...send me a box of your ammo for testing )
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