[tlhfirelion]

howdy guys, long time reader, first time poster. I never bought a glock because it felt bad in my hands, it felt too thick which I know has been discussed at length on this and other boards. I was leaning towards the sig's as I like their feel MUCH better, but I know glock is an outstanding gun with a proven track record so I am researching the gen 4. My question is this;

As I look for info on the 4th generation of 9mm, I cannot find the specs on the grip size, specifically the width from side to side and front to back. I held a subcompact 9mm yesterday (2nd or 3 gen I don't know) and even that felt rather "bulky" in my hand. Not being a glock afficianado, will the gen 4 be smaller than this with the new backstrap system or no? Is the option of having NO backstrap on to further reduce the grip size an option, or will there just be an opening on the back of the grip? I've read about SF which I assume means Small Frame correct?


Thank you in advance for any help you are able to provide and have a good day.

[JBP55]

The Gen.4 Glock will have an option to make the receiver grip slightly smaller front to rear only. The height and width will not change.

[Tall Pine]

Originally Posted by tlhfirelion

As I look for info on the 4th generation of 9mm, I cannot find the specs on the grip size, specifically the width from side to side and front to back.

The way I read it from those that held the gen4 is that the standard Gen4 G17 grip without any of the backstraps installed will be the equivelent of a SF grip, even though there is no SF grip for the 9mms. So I interpret that to mean that the stock gen4 grip with no backstraps will be 3mm shorter from front to back than what the G17 grip is now. Most people notice the decrease in the trigger reach, i.e. how much finger will rest on the trigger. Short fingers/small hands might like the possibilities here.

Installing the "small" backstrap is thought to be bringing the grip back to what the G17 grip is now.

Installing the "large" backstrap is thought to be bringing the grip to equal the larger frame 10mms and 45s full size grips (ie slightly bigger than what the G17 is now).

Thats about all the rumour I can contribute.

You can look on Glock website to get most of these dimensions on these various current models.

[TEX]

Any of you better informed insiders have any idea of whether this will be offered in OD? Its a shame someparts won't be interchangable. Any other internal parts changes (improvements) you folks know of? I lik ethe new texture from what I have seen, but maily because it will make hand stippling easier.

[AmeriGlo]

Originally Posted by Tall Pine

Installing the "small" backstrap is thought to be .........

Tall Pine,

The Gen 4 comes standard as 'small'. The 'small' is permanent. You can add a 'medium' or 'large' backstrap on top of the factory small.

I put on my medium backstrap in about 30 seconds today. Disassemble tool included works OK. The tool is used to drift out the housing pin (and to put in the replacement pin).

[LongGoneDays]

So will existing Lasermax products work in the new Gen4?

[Landmonster]

When will the 4th generation Glocks be released?

Will they have the rough frame + old style slide, or the slide with the fish gills?

[BadAndy]

RTF3 and old style slide. But you would know that if you saw and read the sticky at the top of this forum...or any number of 4th gen threads that are posted here.

[JBP55]

Originally Posted by LongGoneDays

So will existing Lasermax products work in the new Gen4?

Are all Lasermax products installed in the recoil system on Glocks? If so they will not work on the Gen. 4 as it has a different recoil system.

[Spreadfire Arms]

i just physically picked up a new Glock Gen 4 today. it does not appear to be Laser Max compatible as it has a similar recoil spring system to the mini-Glocks.

it has different stippling than the RTF and the Gen 3. the slides are marked "Gen 4." has a lower profile magazine release which can be switched to the other side for lefties. magazines are slightly different in the fact that the cutout where the mag seats into the magazine catch is metal lined.

of course there are the two additional backstraps. as it has been explained to me the original backstrap is the same as the short frame (SF), the medium backstrap is the standard grip on the Gen 2/3 Glock 17/22, and the fat backstrap is the same as the Glock 20/21.

from my understanding these pistols are only currently being made for the full size .40.

[MikeinCincy]

Has anybody heard when the 4th Gen Baby Glocks will be available? I have been itching to get the G27 and am about to buy one but am wondering if I should wait until the 4th Gen's come out. I don't want to wait too long, though.

[Tall Pine]

Originally Posted by AmeriGlo

Tall Pine,

The Gen 4 comes standard as 'small'. The 'small' is permanent. You can add a 'medium' or 'large' backstrap on top of the factory small.

I put on my medium backstrap in about 30 seconds today. Disassemble tool included works OK. The tool is used to drift out the housing pin (and to put in the replacement pin).

I agree and thats what I explained in my post. I used the term small backstrap were you used the term medium backstrap.

With no backstraps, the grip is said to be smaller than it is now, like an SF frame would be to a G30. Adding the medium (or as I wrote "small") backstrap would bring the grip equal to what it is now. So in essence the Gen 4 should yield a grip size smaller, the same, and larger than what the grip is now on the G17 & G22.

[weagle]

More Pictures:

Backstrap addition is held in place by hooking into the bottom of the frame, snapping into the groves on both side of the backstrap and then secured at the top with the frame pin.



New recoil spring assembly. It will not fit the Gen 3 and older versions.



Fuzzy pic looking down in the mag well. I'll get a better pic soon.



"MBS" molded into the right side of the frame.



The reaction to this pistol has been nearly 100% positive. Most people really like the feel of the new RTF III frame and love the new mag release.

Weagle

[Deadduck357]

Sorry if I missed it somewhere, But what does MBS stand for ?

[Chevy327]

It's got to be "multiple back straps".

[austinguy23]

Originally Posted by Deadduck357

If thats it, couldn't they just have put 'Gen4'

A simple roman numeral would have been an elegant marking - "IV". That goes for the slide as well.

[Deadduck357]

Originally Posted by austinguy23

A simple roman numeral would have been an elegant marking - "IV". That goes for the slide as well.

even better ^

[DannyR]

Attached are several actual photos. I cannot identify the aftermarket sights until after the Shot Show.

[DannyR]

Additional photo

[DannyR]

The beautiful photos are not mine, but I did recieve permission from the photographer to post them on GlockTalk.

[Scared_of_zombies]

is that a new finish? it looks like it will finger print up pretty easily.

[DannyR]

The front sight is an AmeriGlo prototype. The rear is an AmeriGlo Pro Op w/yellow tubes. The green tool has an aluminum handle and is a 3/32” Pin Punch tool presently sold by AmeriGlo.

[Fire_Medic]

Originally Posted by DannyR

The front sight is an AmeriGlo prototype. The rear is an AmeriGlo Pro Op w/yellow tubes. The green tool has an aluminum handle and is a 3/32” Pin Punch tool presently sold by AmeriGlo.

Looks like a non squared Pro Glo front............

[bigleaf]

I'll bite. Just what is that extra piece on the backstrap?

[faawrenchbndr]

Originally Posted by bigleaf

I'll bite. Just what is that extra piece on the backstrap?

It's a removable back strap. Three sizes kinda like the S&W.