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It seems like over the last few months I keep seeing posts about malfunctions and problems with Glocks - 30s, 21s, 23s, 26s, even 19s!
Maybe its just me but these topics used to be few and far between. Is Glock going the way of the "new" Sig (inferior products trying to stand on old reputation).
This is not an anti-Glock thread, nor am I a troll. I have never had an issue with any of the 15+ glocks I have owned over the years, but then again they have all been older (as in 2007 or earlier models). The frequency of such posts justs makes me wonder if I should be alarmed.
Be alarmed, but at the owners and not the pistols.
Amen!
Most if not all those problems can be blamed on one or more of the
following:
1. Bad Ammo
2. Limp Wristing
3. Improper Lubrication
4. Owner "improved" on his Glock by changing or altering
perfectly good parts.
5. Unrealistic expectations on the part of the owner.
I've never had a Glock malfunction in anyway!
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It seems like over the last few months I keep seeing posts about malfunctions and problems with Glocks - 30s, 21s, 23s, 26s, even 19s!
Maybe its just me but these topics used to be few and far between. Is Glock going the way of the "new" Sig (inferior products trying to stand on old reputation).
This is not an anti-Glock thread, nor am I a troll. I have never had an issue with any of the 15+ glocks I have owned over the years, but then again they have all been older (as in 2007 or earlier models). The frequency of such posts justs makes me wonder if I should be alarmed.
You have to remember human nature.......when someone's gun acts up they can't wait to get online and tell everyone about it.
When things go okay.....you don't run around telling everyone how great your gun worked every time you go shooting.
On the internet, people ***** a lot. about a lot of different stuff. Glocks are no different.
For every Glock that doesn't go "bang" when some online crybaby wants it to, there are a thousand Glocks that are running just fine.
Most if not all those problems can be blamed on one or more of the
following:
1. Bad Ammo
2. Limp Wristing
3. Improper Lubrication
4. Owner "improved" on his Glock by changing or altering
perfectly good parts.
5. Unrealistic expectations on the part of the owner.
Been carrying and shooting Glocks since the fall of 1988. Never had a problem with my G 19 (I am on my third) G 36, G 21SF and my G 26. I know some individuals that swapped some parts with after markets and had problems. IMHO if it ain't broke don't fix it. Glock got the reputation by using their parts and I will stick with them. I guess that I am just old school.
I don't think I buy into the "limp wristing" excuse for malfunctions. If it is true, then I don't think I want to carry or even own a Glock. Think about it....if you get shot in the arm, what does that mean? That if you don't have a firm hold on the Glock it's going to start jamming? I don't think so.
I have seen videos of Jeff Cooper demonstrating the light recoil of a 1911A1. He held the gun with his index finger on the trigger and ONLY his thumb wrapped around the grip. The gun did NOT malfunction. And I don't think you can get a much weaker grip than that. I think that whole limp wrist excuse is an internet rumor. I would point more to poor ammo or modifications made to the gun. Hell, the Glock fires UNDERWATER. That's a lot more difficult than a limp-wristing situation.
As to SIG quality...I have recently purchased 3 SIGs, two P226 (one a Blackwater Tactical) and a SIG Pro 2009. All three have performed with 100% reliability and have had ZERO problems. Don't believe all the crap posted on gun forums concerning "poor quality" and "numerous malfunctions". Often people who post that have their own agenda and biases.
Oh yeah...my Glock 17 and 26 have also performed flawlessly.
Standard Glock Inc. response:
Nothing wrong.
Ammo problem.
Owner problem.
Training problem.
Maintenance problem.
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I wouldn't think it means anything other than as the number of members grows that the number of folks who may experience the occasional shooter, ammunition, maintenance or gun-related functioning issues and tell someone else about them may increase, as well.
Then, there's the seemingly inevitable number of people that can't leave well enough alone and who seem determined to somehow 'improve' their Glocks, or modify them in some manner to 'suit their taste', and report functioning issues.
Then there's the folks who seem inclined to use other than good quality factory ammunition.
I've seen issues arise with Glocks used by folks, but I could also say that about other make/model of handguns in common use.
Glock makes a fine product. They're continuing to revise and refine their product and address any occasional issues brought to their attention by users (which could also be said about many other handguns in common use).
I'm not alarmed and am not losing any sleep over this sort of thing.
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No doubt Glock has been putting out some lower quality pistols lately.
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Originally Posted by efarmer21
It seems like over the last few months I keep seeing posts about malfunctions and problems with Glocks - 30s, 21s, 23s, 26s, even 19s!
Maybe its just me but these topics used to be few and far between. Is Glock going the way of the "new" Sig (inferior products trying to stand on old reputation).
This is not an anti-Glock thread, nor am I a troll. I have never had an issue with any of the 15+ glocks I have owned over the years, but then again they have all been older (as in 2007 or earlier models). The frequency of such posts justs makes me wonder if I should be alarmed.
Can you back your statement up? The only problem I frequently see as an issue is the .25 trigger job and switching parts out for aftermarket.
what about all the FTRB problems?
I am also seeing lots more glocks having FTF issues, not to mention I still see .40s having issues with lights attached even with the updates.
IMHO glock is in a very transitional time right now with trying to ramp up full production capability in the USA, trying to keep costs down and at the same time expand their designs which they haven't done in a long time.
From some one with years of experience as an engineer working in manufacturing, expect Glock to have a ton of growing pains for some time to come. Quality is going to take a hit.
Last edited by High Altitude; 11-03-2009 at 20:14.
It seems like over the last few months I keep seeing posts about malfunctions and problems with Glocks - 30s, 21s, 23s, 26s, even 19s!
Maybe its just me but these topics used to be few and far between. Is Glock going the way of the "new" Sig (inferior products trying to stand on old reputation).
This is not an anti-Glock thread, nor am I a troll. I have never had an issue with any of the 15+ glocks I have owned over the years, but then again they have all been older (as in 2007 or earlier models). The frequency of such posts justs makes me wonder if I should be alarmed.
Don't be alarmed. Glocktalk is always full of those. Like much on here, some of them are posted by 14 year-olds who don't really have a Glock, but most others are caused by the shooter (by most, I mean every Glock malfunction I have actually witnessed in 20 years of law enforcement, competition and instructing police and civilians).
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Even if the frequency of postings has increased, keep in mind that as ownership increases, so will the number of postings regarding issues. For the sake of argument if a given product has a 1% defect rate, then 1% of 1,000 units is more than 1% of 500 units. The defect rate stays the same but the number of defective units in distribution doubles.
Now consider that over the last 12 months gun ownership in general, and pistol ownership in particular, has skyrocketed. Since people are always more inclined to complain about something wrong than brag about something right, you're going to see that trickle down into the forums.
Constant Defect Rate + Increased Ownership + More Newbies = More Problems
Over the 20+ years of GLOCK, and millions of pistols manufactured, yes there have been some flaws in some production runs. There have been known issues at certain points in time with G19s, G21s, G22s, and most recently G30SFs (not a comprehensive list). Even among these well known cases, the problems were still limited to a very small percentage of pistols.
Straight up..there can be absolutely nothing EVER wrong with a Glock. Its flawless. its ALWAYS the user. How do I know this for a FACT..I learned it here on Glock Talk...only OTHER brands and ALL other brands have problems/defects with the guns..but not Glock a flawed Glock CAN NOT HAPPEN!.
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