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Old 01-24-2008, 09:05   #501
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Issues with Molly!

Ok dog-training gurus!

I moved almost a month ago into a new house - moving Molly with me of course, and away from my Mom's older dogs.

She got spayed about 6 weeks ago - no issues from that & back to "normal".

Since I have moved into the new place, Molly has been regressing with her potty-training. I take her out as usual and sometimes she refuses to do her business; sometimes she does then comes inside and craps on the floor.

When she doesn't do her business outside, I put her in her crate and try again later. Sometime it takes 2-3 times before she will do both!

Again, just this morning, I took her outside first thing and she did #1 & #2...I get into the shower and keep her in the bedroom so she can eat & get a little bit of exercise. When I work, she has to be in her crate for a longer period of time. She pooped on the floor while I was in the shower AFTER pooping outside!

When I don't work, and she's out of her crate and with me most of the day she will sometimes still poop inside. she's good about letting me know she needs to go out (bells hanging on door that she plays with when she needs to go out) but then she comes inside and poops! I immediately crate her, of course.

I really think she's upset about the move and not being around the other dogs, but she needs to get over it!

I'm not physically able to keep her attached to me, with her leash, while I am home but I do keep her close to me (in the same room) and we don't have problems. It's only when she leaves my sight that she makes a mess.

Any ideas?
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Old 01-24-2008, 12:21   #502
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How can I break my two YO Schnauzer from getting tissue out of the trash?

Other than that and the occasional sock/ shoe theft into the backyard, she's a good girl.

She even does it when I'm home. I'll walk into a bathroom to find torn up tissue. If the trash is empty, she will go after the roll. She knows it's bad because she has guilt written all over her face when she's done it.
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The way we beat this is with booby traps. The correction must come from the trash can and not you. I like to use mouse traps for this. I know what you are thinking and NO we don't want her nose to get hit by the trap. Use some 2 sided tape and tape a "set" trap to the bottom of the can. Attach your tp to the trigger of the trap and run it out and over the edge of the can, maybe even bait it with some peanut butter. A very small amount will do ya. When you here the "pop" come screaming in the bathroom like a crazed lunatic yelling NO!!!
When she drops and runs out, pull a split personality with her and pretend like nothing ever happened. She will look at you like you have 2 heads, but she will get the idea. Only do this booby trap when you are home.
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Ok dog-training gurus!

I moved almost a month ago into a new house - moving Molly with me of course, and away from my Mom's older dogs.

She got spayed about 6 weeks ago - no issues from that & back to "normal".

Since I have moved into the new place, Molly has been regressing with her potty-training. I take her out as usual and sometimes she refuses to do her business; sometimes she does then comes inside and craps on the floor.

When she doesn't do her business outside, I put her in her crate and try again later. Sometime it takes 2-3 times before she will do both!

Again, just this morning, I took her outside first thing and she did #1 & #2...I get into the shower and keep her in the bedroom so she can eat & get a little bit of exercise. When I work, she has to be in her crate for a longer period of time. She pooped on the floor while I was in the shower AFTER pooping outside!

When I don't work, and she's out of her crate and with me most of the day she will sometimes still poop inside. she's good about letting me know she needs to go out (bells hanging on door that she plays with when she needs to go out) but then she comes inside and poops! I immediately crate her, of course.

I really think she's upset about the move and not being around the other dogs, but she needs to get over it!

I'm not physically able to keep her attached to me, with her leash, while I am home but I do keep her close to me (in the same room) and we don't have problems. It's only when she leaves my sight that she makes a mess.

Any ideas?
Sounds like she is confused.
Use a paper match in her butt when you take her outside to do her thing. Just wet it with a little saliva and bury it in her bottom. She will poop it out in a manner of minutes if she has to go. If she hasn't gone in 10-15mins, chances are she doesn't have to go.

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I'm curious as to how come? if you want pm me instead of post. I have worked with a lot of disabled/handicap people and we can always work out a way.
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Hey, y'all. It's me again -- and my Ridgie is still having problems.

At the advice of the DVM Behaviourist we're seeing, she's on Reconcile ... aka 'Puppy Prozac' at the moment, and I've got to say that it's made a huge difference in her ability to calm down enough to learn. Before Prozac, she would spend about 20 minutes being excited when someone comes in the door. They'd get sniffed all over, licked over most of their body, jumped on, etc. Now she gets excited, says hello, and then she's back to playing with a chew toy or sleeping under the table or laying down on my feet and asking me to pet her tummy, etc. All these are things she did before ... when it was just the two of us. She still loves children and will kiss them and let them pet her tummy and play with her and she just sits there with tail going 300 rpm.

So we've trained out 99% of her problems, which naturally leads to the biggest 1%. Which I'm starting to THINK is guarding anxiety. Now, while that's sweet and all, the things she feels that she needs to guard me from include large pickup trucks and bicycles and joggers and other dogs. I've tried overloading her -- found a busy country road where I could walk her without danger to either of us. She settles down pretty quickly, but even if we spend an hour out there, when we get back to our quieter street and a truck goes by she'll still lunge and bark. She's never had guard dog training, it's DEFINITELY centered on me and anyone who has fed her a meal (treats don't count -- as in, if I'm not present, the behaviourist can walk her without much of a problem whereas she'll drag my 110 lbs girlfriend down the street).

She's just too big of a dog to have inside the house all the time and her health suffers when we can't walk -- she has very very very bad hip dysplasia even at 21 months of age and is already on daily NSAID for it. But I'm still dreading the day someone calls in a dangerous dog alert when I'm out there doing cowboy moves trying to restrain 80 lbs of muscle and teeth, whether on choke chain, prong collar, or gentle leader!
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Pinch collar *snip* The "points" are very dull and not meant to cause pain. They are to get the dog focused on you and not the unwanted behavior. They are perfect for working extended down stays. Which by the way, is what I would be doing with her during her "distractions", along with the heel command. From there I would re-introduce a super treat to re-inforce the down, stay command. A couple slices of liverwurst from the deli will go a long way. If not, most pet stores now carry freeze dried liver. Dogs go nuts for liver.
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And this struck a chord with me as well.
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She's just too big of a dog to have inside the house all the time
If you can control her in the house, then you can control her outside the house. There is no such thing as too big of a dog, I'm 6'4 and lived in a studio for awhile with a 160lbs Rottie and my 70lbs pitt mix. If I can do it, so can you.
Put the leash on the pinch collar way up high and tie her off to you ESPECIALLY WHEN THE DOORBELL RINGS!!! invite folks over just to do this and then they can leave.
When you fight for control and SPEAK HER LANGUAGE you will have no problems with her anywhere, anytime.
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Old 03-25-2008, 12:46   #506
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Got a question. I have an almost 4 year old American Eskimo female (spayed) that listens pretty good INSIDE the house. When she goes OUTSIDE she is in another world. She sometimes comes in when called, other times ignores us. Often times I have to go out on the porch & get down on my knee (to her level) & she comes most of the time. Sometimes I have to go out in the yard & get her, in which case she usually cowers down (thinking I'm gonna beat her butt). I know to not ever have the dog come to you then spank them because they will associate coming with being bad. Lately, I've started giving her treats when she comes right away. Sometimes I say "treat" & she comes. Other times it doesn't work. It worked really good when I first started doing it, but now sometimes does not work. It's frustrating because inside the house she listens so well. My mother in law was watching out kid the other day & was having trouble getting her inside. She said that she opened to door so that the dog couldn't see her & she came. I've tried it a few times & it works better than anything we've tried so far (doesn't always work). Any ideas on how we can get her to better listen & come inside??? Thanks!!!
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Couple things we can do, first of NEVER go out after her in a threatening way (elevated tone, posture, etc). Start by spending some time out there with her and give her some treats for basic commands. This will establish that's itís your yard and not hers.

Or you could sink a chunk of rebar about 6ft into the ground and get an appropriate sized piece of nylon line and tie her out EVERYTIME she goes out. Then call her once and reel her in and treat her for coming (even though she had no choice in the matter).

2nd way is a ton faster but does require more work. If she gets tangled in A tree, pull her back around it from the door. If she gets tangled in a bunch of stuff make the line shorter so she can't get there.

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I forgot to mention that we used to tie her off when she went outside. If she didn't come, we just reeled her in. We got tired of doing that.

I'll try the spending time with her outside & giving treats idea. Makes sense to me.

I gotta admit that I do sound pissed when she doesn't come back in when I call her. I'll try to avoid that.

Thanks G20MAN!
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That's what were here for.

Make it super positive and in short bursts 5-10minutes is a long session with this. Make her follow you around for the treat. Then ALWAYS treat her when you call and she comes in straight away.
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I have a question. I just spent $150.00 to find out what I already knew--my dog has "middle child syndrome". When Daisy Mae doesn't get attention when SHE WANTS it she goes UNDER our dinner table and will leave a present for us or will pee in front of the bathroom door (really annoying because it's dark in that area and I hate surprises). Got any suggestions on getting her to quit this? She is 3 years old. She grew up with our older dog (Duke is 8) but threw a fit when I came home with my German Rottweiler (she is 2 now).
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I have a question. I just spent $150.00 to find out what I already knew--my dog has "middle child syndrome". When Daisy Mae doesn't get attention when SHE WANTS it she goes UNDER our dinner table and will leave a present for us or will pee in front of the bathroom door (really annoying because it's dark in that area and I hate surprises). Got any suggestions on getting her to quit this? She is 3 years old. She grew up with our older dog (Duke is 8) but threw a fit when I came home with my German Rottweiler (she is 2 now).

Sounds like Miss Daisy Mae needs some leash/crate time.
When you go out crate her and when you come home, do NOT speak to, make eye contact, or touch any of the dogs for 10 to 15minutes or until they are calm. You don't need to treat dogs equally because of the pack system, so stop trying. The Alpha dog gets more treats, more praise, and more 1 on 1 time with you. Set the rank structure and you will be fine.



Also, for posters, please shoot me a pm following your post, I'm not getting email notifications anymore.
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[quote=G20man32904;10853586]Sounds like Miss Daisy Mae needs some leash/crate time.
When you go out crate her and when you come home, do NOT speak to, make eye contact, or touch any of the dogs for 10 to 15minutes or until they are calm. You don't need to treat dogs equally because of the pack system, so stop trying. The Alpha dog gets more treats, more praise, and more 1 on 1 time with you. Set the rank structure and you will be fine.



Thanks for your advice! I'm going to try that. I didn't even think about the Alpha dog getting more treats and stuff. But it does make sense. Now, if you could get our Border Collie to stop thinking he's a "sled dog" that would be great!
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Thanks for your advice! I'm going to try that. I didn't even think about the Alpha dog getting more treats and stuff. But it does make sense. Now, if you could get our Border Collie to stop thinking he's a "sled dog" that would be great!
Easy teach him to PULL a Cart, wagon, something!!!
Great exercise for him, and fun for you! then when you are walking he will walk next to you instead of 6 1/2 feet in front of you.
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Hello G20, this is my first post here and I have a question for you. I'm thinking of adopting a 3 yr. old GS male. The rescue organization dosen't have very much information on him other than he was picked up as a stray. They assume that he is not housebroken. My question is how do you housebreak an older dog ? I had an older GS in the past but he came to me housebroken. I lost him a few years back and this GS I'm looking at now is a twin to my old " Ozzy " which is why I want to adopt him.
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Hello G20, this is my first post here and I have a question for you. I'm thinking of adopting a 3 yr. old GS male. The rescue organization dosen't have very much information on him other than he was picked up as a stray. They assume that he is not housebroken. My question is how do you housebreak an older dog ? I had an older GS in the past but he came to me housebroken. I lost him a few years back and this GS I'm looking at now is a twin to my old " Ozzy " which is why I want to adopt him.
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First welcome DGL to GT, sorry itís taken so long to respond but Iíve been ill and away from the computer for awhile AND in the middle of moving. Iím not quite sure where some things are (like my brain) for one at the moment.

Ok, housebreaking a dog my way doesnít change with age. The first couple of pages here deal with housebreaking specifically so Iíll let you check those out and get back to me with questions. Basically, when your home the dog is leashed and tied TO YOU or ANOTHER responsible human, when not home, the dog is crated. No exceptions, he will tell you in his way he has to go out. First by peeing in front of you, give a medium NO! and get him outside ASAP!! Thatís the reason for the leash, if you have to reach for him you make him afraid of your hands.

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OK thanks, I'll go back and read some more and I will try being leashed to him and see how it works out. I hope you get well and feel better.
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dog on treadmill question

I have a Sheltie/Aussie cross that is an 8-mile-a-day dog. He isn't getting 8 miles of walking in this cold and snow. I'd like to teach him to walk on the treadmill, but have no idea how to do that. If it helps, he does sit, down, come, stay, plays frisbee and fetch, waits for food (i put it in the dish while he's sitting somewhere in the kitchen - he doesn't come to the food til he's told to do so, and he calls off his food (i trained him to do that 'cause the horses i work with are all trained to do it, and i wondered if a dog could learn it, too). I haven't managed to get him to balance a treat on his nose without eating it yet, but Mr.C is working on that with him. In the spring we'll do agility stuff, but right now he is bored and gnawing on the kids' toys. So, how do i teach him to walk on the treadmill for a little exercise? Currently, he'll sit on it on command, though he won't get up on it unless he's told to "up". Thanks and Merry Christmas!

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Not sure how to handle this so I thought I would pose the question here.

Two nights ago, I took my dog outside with me to walk a visiting friend to his vehicle. This is a frequent thing that my dog always thinks she needs to be a part of. Problem was, as soon as we made it out the front door, she spotted two cats in our yard (a rare thing) a took out after them. She ran ran across the street and was heading toward a busy street, I yelled, "NO!!!" and she stopped.

So here in lies the dilemma, how do I scold her when she did obey my command to stop?

Hopefully this won't happen again, I will be more cautious but she likes to come out front to collect the mail and so forth. I would like to think that she would not do this again but I'm not so sure.
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Hoping for some help here. I have two Oorang Airedales who are littermates and are approaching 3 years old.

They've always gotten along well and will wrestle and chase each other and appear to be having a great time.

Yesterday I'm bringing them in from walking them and the larger of the two "attacks" the smaller one (both well over 100lbs.), gets him in a neck/ear bite lock and won't let go. It was all I could do to separate them. Smaller one gets bloodied around the neck and ear. Not serious but shook him up enough that his spirit was completely passive the rest of the day. This morning they seemed much better, but my wife just called to say it happened again. WTF??

This appears to be completely out of the blue. The larger one's nickname has been "gentle giant" as he puts up with everything and just roles with life. Very gentle boy. The smaller one is mischievious and more engaging..trying to get you to play with him and lately(last 6 months) has become more affectionate. Both have been neutered.

Are we seeing a late blooming hierarchy struggle here? Or could it be a sign of an illness that isn't showing other signs or symptoms?

Any help to deal with this is greatly appreciated. It really scared my wife..she was pretty powerless to help the smaller one.
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I have a pair of Rotts. My male is turning 3 years old. and is a good dog he listens really well. my female is getting ready to turn 2 and is a total wreck. When I bought her at 11 months she had been kept in a kennel her whole life and was so hyper. I have worked with her alot and she got better, but not much better. I can leave them both in the house and she will chew up everything. They will both go to the bathroom in my kitchen. I will take them out and let them run in my yard for about a hour and they play with my two sons who are 3 and 2. As soon as I let them both in they will use the bathroom on my kitchen floor again an again.

If I have my male in the house he will not do anything but act like a lap dog and my kids will ride him around the house. She is the same she will lay on my bed and and be a really good dog when it is only me and her.

But the down side to my female is that she hates men. she will act like a crazed dog and try to attak any one that comes near me or my kids. She is fine when she is around women but can not stand men.

Please PM me and let me know what you think i should do.
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Hoping for some help here. I have two Oorang Airedales who are littermates and are approaching 3 years old.

They've always gotten along well and will wrestle and chase each other and appear to be having a great time.

Yesterday I'm bringing them in from walking them and the larger of the two "attacks" the smaller one (both well over 100lbs.), gets him in a neck/ear bite lock and won't let go. It was all I could do to separate them. Smaller one gets bloodied around the neck and ear. Not serious but shook him up enough that his spirit was completely passive the rest of the day. This morning they seemed much better, but my wife just called to say it happened again. WTF??

This appears to be completely out of the blue. The larger one's nickname has been "gentle giant" as he puts up with everything and just roles with life. Very gentle boy. The smaller one is mischievious and more engaging..trying to get you to play with him and lately(last 6 months) has become more affectionate. Both have been neutered.

Are we seeing a late blooming hierarchy struggle here? Or could it be a sign of an illness that isn't showing other signs or symptoms?

Any help to deal with this is greatly appreciated. It really scared my wife..she was pretty powerless to help the smaller one.
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Just wanted to say I have learned quite a bit reading through this thread. This is Missy a 9 week old Shepard Newfy cross who if the scale can be believed is now 15 pounds.

In the week we have had her she has had 5 accidents in the house, none of which we look at as a serious issue. One was the first day when she was roaming free before we put the leash on her, we made the mistake of letting her roam without the leash so it was our fault. Two were because we were not fast enough in reading the signs and in getting our coat on before taking her outside so she peed by the door unable to hold it any more. The final two were quite interesting. She would be sleeping on the bath mat /rug in front of her crate and would suddenly wake up, roll over onto her feet, squat and start to pee all in less than 2 seconds. It is just like she is dreaming about going potty and then realizing she really does.

We started from the very beginning giving treats only after she did what she needed to, and always have tied it to something like SIT or DOWN to stop her from wanting to jump up or try to take the treat from us rather than us allowing her to have it.

Our biggest issue has been separation anxiety, she was part of a litter of 13 so sleeping in her crate was a gradual distancing exercise over the last week. The first night my daughter slept next to her crate while the door was open and she was attached to the crate with her leash. The next night the door was shut while Katie slept next to the crate. The next several she was in her crate in our room. The last couple she has been in her crate in the kitchen. She would start to bark as soon as we left the room but a couple of quick shots with the squirt bottle while saying "Quiet" got her to calm down pretty quick.

Saturday she slept from 12:30 AM to 9:30 AM. Her whining woke me up so I took her outside for a potty break. Sunday morning she was awake at 6:00 AM because I needed to go to the bathroom. We were both able to lay back down and sleep some more after our potties.

Thanks to this tread I put a quick stop to playing "Tug of War" with the rope braid chew toy, no rough housing or wrestling, and doing our best to ignore Missy when we first get home unless she is showing signs of needing to go potty (Even then it is only after she lays down quietly in her crate).

Puppy school starts in a couple of weeks, hopefully by then she will have picked up most of the basic commands. We will need to work on the distractions but she is still a young puppy so her attention span is still quite short.
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What can I do to prevent my dog from eating her poop? She goes through cycles of doing this, then not for a while. Said dog is a 4 yr old female, spayed, American Eskimo. Only dog, 2 small kids in house. She eats Iams dog food. I heard this would help & tried meat tenderizer on her food (I think that's what it was), then she wouldn't eat. Vet said some dogs just do this & not much you can do about it. I really don't like that answer.
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What can I do to prevent my dog from eating her poop? She goes through cycles of doing this, then not for a while. Said dog is a 4 yr old female, spayed, American Eskimo. Only dog, 2 small kids in house. She eats Iams dog food. I heard this would help & tried meat tenderizer on her food (I think that's what it was), then she wouldn't eat. Vet said some dogs just do this & not much you can do about it. I really don't like that answer.
Soldans carries some stuff for this - it is in a white envelope in powder form, i forget the name, but we used it in May when the puppy we got from the shelter insisted on doing this. You add it to the dog food. It solved the problem in two weeks and he's not done it since.

My only other recommendation is to clean up after the dog immediately so she has no opportunity to do this.

Mrs.C - still trying to train the dog to run on the treadmill - suggestions welcome - currently he will eat on it, or near it HURRIEDLY if i am standing on it or near it making noises with it (scraping my feet on the treads, tapping on the control panel - which tends to unnerve him. Anyone else in the family doing this and he just bolts for the door). I'd like to put his food int he room, shut the door and get on the treadmill and turn it on myself...

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No Soldans near me. They don't sell stuff online either.
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