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Old 11-28-2008, 18:43   #1
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Concealed Weapons Permit shooting requirement?

I'm looking for clarification on how the target is scored so that I can practice before I got to get my South Carolina CWP in January. I think we have to shoot at 5,10,15,20, and 25 yards (10 rounds each).

1. What is the time limit?
2. How is the target scored? I hear that you need to get 70%, is that just 70% of shots in the silhouette target?

Thanks a bunch. I just wanna practice as much as possible before hand.

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Old 11-30-2008, 13:28   #2
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Gee you should be able to find out by asking the instructor. Be that as it may, I remember you having to shoot at a B-12 target and just hit it in the black. My instructor encouraged us to spread them out to make it easier to count. BTW, if you can't hit this target you have no reason EVER to have a gun for CWP
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Old 11-30-2008, 16:00   #3
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Thanks. I figured it was as long it was in the black the shot would count, but I wanted to be sure.
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Old 11-30-2008, 18:09   #4
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There is no firing from 25 yards.
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Old 12-03-2008, 08:29   #5
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The state requires 30 shots I think, for 3-5-7 years. Most places will get you to shoot a little more, and from a little further away, but even if you have never shot a pistol before, you should have no problem.
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Old 12-03-2008, 09:08   #6
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The state requires 30 shots I think, for 3-5-7 yards. Most places will get you to shoot a little more, and from a little further away, but even if you have never shot a pistol before, you should have no problem.

I took the CHP class a few months ago and this is what happened.
Also, there is no drawing from a holster. Weapon is already in your hands and the instructor says when to fire. There is a time limit associated with the shots as well.
5 shots in 6 seconds....
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Old 12-03-2008, 10:44   #7
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I took the CHP class a few months ago and this is what happened.
Also, there is no drawing from a holster. Weapon is already in your hands and the instructor says when to fire. There is a time limit associated with the shots as well.
5 shots in 6 seconds....
I think 30 rounds in the minimum by state, but each teacher can set his/her own guidelines.

When I took it he said 30 rounds, 3-5-7yards was required by the state, but we shot more then 2x that, and at different ranges.

We had no time limit on any shots, but we did do a couple one handed shots, and abuot 1/2 where drawn from the holster. Like "Load 6 rounds, on my whistle draw and fire 4 at the target". The after everyone did that, "on my whistle shoot the remaining 2 shots at the target.
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Old 12-03-2008, 10:46   #8
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I think 30 rounds in the minimum by state, but each teacher can set his/her own guidelines.

When I took it he said 30 rounds, 3-5-7yards was required by the state, but we shot more then 2x that, and at different ranges.

We had no time limit on any shots, but we did do a couple one handed shots, and abuot 1/2 where drawn from the holster. Like "Load 6 rounds, on my whistle draw and fire 4 at the target". The after everyone did that, "on my whistle shoot the remaining 2 shots at the target.
Is that a NC or SC requirement? Thanks for all your help!
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Old 12-14-2008, 19:50   #9
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In missouri, we had to practice with 60 rounds I think it was then the test was to get 15 out of 21 rounds in the black at 7 yards. If you can't do that, then you should not have a CCW. I think most of us in the club can do that well by quick instinct shooting.
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Old 12-03-2008, 08:42   #10
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Thanks. I talked to a friend last night that got his SC CWP a few years ago and this is what he said.....

1. Shoot targets at 5, 10, 15, & 20 yards
2. Only get to load 5 rounds at a time, but you shoot 2x5 at each target distance.
3. First 5 rounds, you have to draw from holster and fire shots within something like 3-5 seconds.
4. Second 5 rounds, normal standing with gun already drawn and fire the 5 rounds at the target.

When the wife and I go to the range, I will ask the instructor to see if this is correct and then hopefully get to practice some before the test day. My wife is sorta nervous about the shooting test, even though last time at the range she outshot me. haha
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Apparently it varies based on instructor.
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Old 12-14-2008, 19:55   #12
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Apparently it varies based on instructor.
Bingo...Tell him what he has won Johnny.

Most will have you do 3-5-7. Unholstered, then holstered. Stay in the black and you are good to go. 50 rounds. 5 rounds per "time at bat."
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Old 12-03-2008, 12:34   #13
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Wow, sorry, mine was a NC.

I'm really sorry, I completely mis looked that you where looking for a SC permit.

Best of luck!
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Old 12-03-2008, 15:27   #14
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Going to take mine tonight for NC. I believe it is supposed to be 50 rounds at a fixed 7 yard target. I will find out very shortly.
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Old 12-03-2008, 23:54   #15
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Going to take mine tonight for NC. I believe it is supposed to be 50 rounds at a fixed 7 yard target. I will find out very shortly.
Let us know when you get finished. I've never heard of an instructor doing 50 rounds at 7 yards. Should be divided up among 3, 5, and 7 yards for North Carolina. The state required min is 30 rounds into a b27 type or bullseye type target with 21 of 30 hitting the target. 10 each at 3, 5, and 7 yards.
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I guess every instructor varies as long as they fulfill the minimum for state requirements. Ours was 50 rds live fire, b-27, must hit within target area 40/50 times, 7 yds away. We didn't do any 3 or 5 yd shooting nor any holster pull or timed shooting. I was able to fulfill it without a problem but I think the 3 and 5 yd distances would have made it that much easier for me.
To be honest though, I don't understand the distance requirement. If you are holding the gun properly and the bullet leaves the barrel at the right projectile angle, isn't it going to hit the target in the exact same place regardless of distance away because it will carry on in that straight line after it exits.
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To be honest though, I don't understand the distance requirement. If you are holding the gun properly and the bullet leaves the barrel at the right projectile angle, isn't it going to hit the target in the exact same place regardless of distance away because it will carry on in that straight line after it exits.
lol

Yes that is true, but its a lot easier to aim at the middle from 3 yards away, then at 25 :P
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Old 12-04-2008, 11:29   #18
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Gee you should be able to find out by asking the instructor. Be that as it may, I remember you having to shoot at a B-12 target and just hit it in the black. My instructor encouraged us to spread them out to make it easier to count. BTW, if you can't hit this target you have no reason EVER to have a gun for CWP
Ha Ha. Most of my shots were counted COM. The center was pretty much destroyed. All were in the black. It was impossible to count all of the holes. Of course, I received a perfect score. ((With my Glock 26)). Everyone else there became interested in "that little 9mm Glock".
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To be honest though, I don't understand the distance requirement. If you are holding the gun properly and the bullet leaves the barrel at the right projectile angle, isn't it going to hit the target in the exact same place regardless of distance away because it will carry on in that straight line after it exits.
Remember, there are many people taking the course that have never fired a gun. I have had people miss the entire target at 3 yards. Some of the people have that "First shot jitters" even when they have shot before. The stress of "Looking bad" in front of others plays a big part too on new shooters. That's why I have a practice session prior to the proficiency test.

No, the person that missed at 3 yards didn't pass that day. Did later after some range time.
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Old 12-06-2008, 06:32   #20
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Seems like everyone knows how the NC concealed test works. I live in SC folks. It seems like a big mystery down here....haha.
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That is how I do my shooting test, You still do not add a score up. As long as they hit the target with the 21 out of 30. A good hit not off in the white.
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SC law only states 8 hours of training and satifactory completion of live fire. No specification as to how many rounds, distance, etc...

Most will not allow you to draw from a holster. As a general guide most use the NRA guidelines on target firing. I've seen instructors who had classes shoot a box of 50, and another that had 25 rounds fired.
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SC law only states 8 hours of training and satifactory completion of live fire. No specification as to how many rounds, distance, etc...

Most will not allow you to draw from a holster. As a general guide most use the NRA guidelines on target firing. I've seen instructors who had classes shoot a box of 50, and another that had 25 rounds fired.
I wish that SC would set a standard for the shooting requirement. At least that way it would be known what is expected from us and we could better train for the task.

My friend said that for his SC CWP, he HAD to draw from a holster and fire. If that is expected of me, how am I supposed to practice that when our range doesn't allow drawing from a holster? This range is also the place where we will be taking the test, so maybe we won't have to draw and fire.
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My daughter and I took the CWP course in South Carolina a year ago (December 2007). We shot 10 rounds each at 3,5,7 and 10 yards ... and 5 rounds each at 12 and 15 yards for a total of 50 rounds.

No one drew from the holster. We all started from a ... forgot what it is called, but from a "ready" position, holding the pistol at a downward 45 degree angle facing the target. The procedure was explained ahead of time and we did everything on command. Very safe procedures. I don't recall any time limit, however I remember the instructor telling someone to fire a little faster. I believe that there is a proficiency requirement (percentage of hits in the black of the target, see NOTE below) but I was 50 of 50 and my daughter was 49 of 50 so we didn't pay much attention to the minimum number of hits. She had only shot once, I think, in her life. I had not shot in over 10 years. As I recall, all of the students (maybe 20 or so) did very well. I don't remember anyone NOT passing the course, although there were a number of people with fewer hits ..... but all did well.

NOTE: Aside from other questions, finger prints, photo, etc. the application for a Concealed Weapons Permit requires two scores: Administrative test score and Proficiency test score (shooting). That tells me that there must be a minimum score for the range work (shooting) as well as the written test.

BTW, the certified instructor charges $80 for the one day course. That includes the ammo, finger prints, and photo. He even furnished my daughter and I with .38 caliber revolvers to use. I now have a Glock 30SF.

If anyone is interested, contact Larry Smith (the instructor) at:
http://www.cwpclass.com
Foothills Firearms Training Center was recommended to me by a friend. Although I had to drive a ways to Liberty, SC from Greenville SC, to me it was well worth the drive. Very efficient, no wasted time, very professionally done. I've recommended Larry to others with no complaints. BTW, I'm not affiliated with Larry in any way.

I hope that this helps. I'd be glad to contact the instructor if there are more questions.
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Old 12-06-2008, 20:24   #25
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Thanks a lot for the info! The class I am taking costs $65 at Shooter's Choice, but you have to supply your own ammo. You can rent a gun if you do not have one yet (it's like $10 i think).
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