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Old 03-23-2008, 09:57   #1
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Can we create a stick on good vs bad brass to reload?

Hi everyone,

I recall a thread not long ago where people were talking about how hard they inspect calibers, for example 9mm was inspected very hard because it is quite a strong case for the typical 9mm loads put on it, and 40sw was inspected more carefully because it is much closer to the "edge" than 9mm for example.

Also was a list of good brass and bad brass.

Could we create a sticky that would list calibers and everyone could chime in about headstamps considered good or bad. We could just have people post their experiences and update a top level message. Obviously there could be disagreements where one person says this headstamp is decent while another says it is trash, in which case we could go with 3 categories for headstamp: Good to go, Mixed Review, Junk Brass.

Maybe a 1-5 rating on inspection necessity. 1=super strong brass, just a basic inspection down to 5=inspect it extremely well or its going to KB!.

What do you guys think?

I love to dig up all the free brass at the range, it sure would be nice to have a list of what to throw in the scrap bin right off the bat...

Any brass not actually made of brass is of course junk. This includes Wolf steel cases and CCI blazer aluminum cases.

In the format company name (headstamp [other headstamps])
_____________________________________________________________________________________________

Good to go brass:
Starline (*--* Two Stars with line between them)
Winchester (Winchester, WIN, WCC?)
Norma (Norma)
Magtech (CBC)
Hornady (Hornady)
Independance (*I*)
Israeli Military Industries (TZZ)
Federal (Federal, FC that is not 40S&W)
Eldorado (ELD)
Remington (R-P, UMC)

Shootable, but not as good:
Speer (Speer)
Precision Made Cartridge (PMC)
Company? (HY)
Aguila (Aguila)
Fiocchi (Fiocchi)

Junk Brass:
American Ammunition (AMERC)
Armscorp (ACP)
Company? (NNY)
Federal (FC that is 40S&W)
Sellier & Beloit (S&B) - Mixed reviews, some ok, some bad, usually the problem is related to primer pocket size.

_____________________________________________________________________________________________

Thanks,

Alan

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Old 03-23-2008, 10:14   #2
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AMERC=bad.
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Old 03-22-2009, 22:03   #3
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Federal for 223 BAD
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Old 03-24-2009, 18:04   #4
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Federal for 223 BAD
Any claims on this? I've used FC brass for a long time and have yet to run into a single problem. Most of the time it was because I didn't ream out the primer pocket enough.
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Old 03-24-2009, 18:13   #5
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Anyone know what brand "PPU" brass is?

Good or Bad?

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Anyone know what brand "PPU" brass is?

Good or Bad?
Prvi Partizan, 31000 Titovo, Uzice, Yugoslavia (see above link)

Most of the yooropean brass I've run into (S&B, Gecco, etc) is OK, with some calibers being better among brands. I've reloaded a few PPU in 9mm and had no problems.
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Old 03-23-2008, 10:47   #7
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Old 03-23-2008, 10:59   #8
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Hi guys,

Well that gets us started! After a bunch of posts I'll modify the first post to include a summary!

I'll throw another one in, Winchester = good.

Maybe we don't need to do it by caliber...

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Old 03-23-2008, 11:18   #9
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Maybe mention separating cases by weight and not mixing +p cases with non +p cases...
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Old 03-23-2008, 12:00   #10
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I've shot a lot of "pickup" brass in my time, some say a bad habit, and they may be right. Nevertheless, through thousands of rounds I've had no reloading issues, except with the one headstamp that pops up in forums again and again, including this one- AMERC. Under no circumstances attempt to reload this stuff.

(Note: I'm not including in this discussion things like aluminum or steel cases. This stufff should not be reloaded, and I'm assuming people on this forum know that.)
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Old 03-23-2008, 12:29   #11
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Stay away from FC & AD brass when it comes to rifle reloading. Some one already covered amerc.

I'll load up just about every thing else.
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Stay away from FC & AD brass when it comes to rifle reloading. Some one already covered amerc.

I'll load up just about every thing else.
Ok. I'm just guessing here:
FC=Frontier Cartridge and AD=anno Domini?

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Old 03-23-2008, 16:23   #13
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Hi,

If you can, please post the company and the headstamp.

What is the deal with FC is this federal cartridge or something else? Is it good in some calibers and not others?

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Old 03-23-2008, 16:37   #14
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Hi,

I found a thread with some BigSlick wisdom I included.

What is the deal on the NT marked stuff (not toxic). Does some of it work fine and others not?

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Hi,

I found a thread with some BigSlick wisdom I included.

What is the deal on the NT marked stuff (not toxic). Does some of it work fine and others not?

Thanks,

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All of the NT stuff I came accross was 45 acp. It used small pistol primers instead of large. I didn't understand why, and I never attempted to load any of it.
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I think you should remove Speer from the not as good section!
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I think you should remove Speer from the not as good section!
Several of the "not as good" are just fine reloading brass
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All of the NT stuff I came accross was 45 acp. It used small pistol primers instead of large. I didn't understand why, and I never attempted to load any of it.
The NT is the WinClean ammunition manufactured by Winchester. The box states that the brass is non-reloadable.
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Old 11-05-2012, 08:49   #19
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nt brass just uses small primers i have it in 45 acp,40 sw 10mm
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All of the NT stuff I came accross was 45 acp. It used small pistol primers instead of large. I didn't understand why, and I never attempted to load any of it.
The makers of the 45ACP using small primers for the new rounds sales has found that the small primer works just as well for lighting off the small powder charge in the 45acp cases as does large primers.
It was first tried in the aluminum non reloadable cases and was found to be a equal to the large primer for ignition. Since then several companies have gone to using the small primer as it saves a little on each round.
If you have any small primer brass for 45acp and do not want to shoot it or reload it I'll take it all by the wheel barrow full if need be. On the several thousand I have reloaded using wolf small primers I have not had a single failure and the chrony has told me they are moving along at speed consistent with the standard large primer brass using the same powder and OAL setup.
It is simply a move to let the manufactures slowly go to a single size primer for all pistols. It is coming and we should get used to the future.. Just sayin!
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