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Old 02-15-2008, 08:10   #1
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Smith dates, model numbers and SNs.

There is quite some give or tolerance in all these numbers.
Let me say that the best way to get exact info is to get a letter from
Smith for about $30 on your gun.

That will give you the ship date, to where, the configuration as it left the factory and some other stuff.

For those of us where rough time is OK:

1. Smith has routinely used left over parts to build transitional models, short run orders and what-not.

2. SNs are issued in order sometimes. They have been known to go back and use fill numbers not used many years ago. Groan!

3. Mod numbers (M19-3 etc.) have often been know to be mis-stamped.
(I was so excited once when I called Mr. Jinks with a rare find and he said...shoot it. Nothing special.)

4. All the books and notes and sheets of info we have out here are cobbled together the best we can determine.

5. Getting the year right on your gun is pretty good. IMHO

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Old 02-15-2008, 08:21   #2
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Good to know. This could explain why a M-36 I bought NIB in 1976 dates by SN to 1967.

Thanks for posting this info!

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Old 02-15-2008, 08:42   #3
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Thanks Eddieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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P.S. Guys, lot more stuff I do not know than I do know.
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Old 02-19-2008, 01:44   #5
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Hitting on your leftover parts comment, S&W has also had a history of mixing and matching parts. I had a Model 57 that was clearly built using a Model 29 frame. The "29-whatever" was over-stamped with a "57-0".
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Old 02-19-2008, 08:31   #6
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Hitting on your leftover parts comment, S&W has also had a history of mixing and matching parts. I had a Model 57 that was clearly built using a Model 29 frame. The "29-whatever" was over-stamped with a "57-0".
Exactly.
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Go to http://www.armchairgunshow.com/

And get it direct from Jim Supica. No need to share money with Amazon.
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Old 04-19-2008, 14:10   #9
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I have just purchased a Smith & Wesson Model 15-4 Snubnose, SN 83K1XXX. Any information you can provide will be appreciated. Thanks!!
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I have just purchased a Smith & Wesson Model 15-4 Snubnose, SN 83K1XXX. Any information you can provide will be appreciated. Thanks!!
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M15-4 from 1977-82.
Change gas ring from yoke to cylinder.
2" from 1964-88.
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Old 05-26-2008, 19:09   #11
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What year would a model 10 ser number 559y53 about what year shes an older one just curious
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Old 05-27-2008, 18:55   #12
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"What year would a model 10 ser number 559y53 about what year shes an older one just curious
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Is that the number from the bottom of the grip? Is it stamped "MOD-10" under the yoke (crane)? After looking at the S/N appendix in the SCSW (Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson), "559y53" doesn't appear to be a serial number for a model 10, victory model, or a pre-model 10. The "y" in the middle is uncharacteristic of a Model 10 S/N. Is the "y" possibly a misread number? Is there a "C," a "D," an "S," or a "V" in front of the S/N?

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Let’s try this serial number correction 559753 no other numbers or letters present.
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Old 05-28-2008, 18:20   #14
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If it is a pre-Model 10, or ".38 Special Hand Ejector M&P," that serial number, 559753, is not finely detailed in the SCSW. It is narrowed down to 1915-1942, serial numbers 241704-700000. You could estimate approximately where it might fall.

You might pose this question on the S&W Forum at
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and get hold of an expert on early models, or someone who has a letter from S&W with a date of shipping of a gun with an S/N close to yours.

You could also send for a letter from Roy Jinks, S&W Historian, for $30.
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I just got a pre-Model 10, or ".38 Special Hand Ejector M&P" . My gun's ser # is 618XXX. Anyone got an idea on a date. I guess using the above post, it would be pre 1942?
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I have three Smith & Wesson snubbies...can you guys tell me how old they are?

Model 38, serial #AHH57XX

Model 10-5, serial #D9543XX

Model 640, serial #CAC36XX

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I have three Smith & Wesson snubbies...can you guys tell me how old they are?

Model 38, serial #AHH57XX

Model 10-5, serial #D9543XX

Model 640, serial #CAC36XX

Thanks in advance
Disclaimer- There may be unexplained discrepancies or numbers issued out of sequence with serial numbers.
According to the SCSW 3rd. ed.,
Model 38, serial #AHH57XX - probably 1985
Model 10-5, serial #D9543XX - around 1976-1977
Model 640, serial #CAC36XX - probably 1996

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My old S&W 5 shot revolver only has a 5 digit serial # {925xx}. Any ideas? It is quite old, I believe. It has no trigger guard, I think they call it a model 1.
Based on quick look at the SCSW 3rd. ed., the picture looks like a ".38 Single Action, 2nd Model (Model 2, 2nd Issue)" made between 1877-1891. SN's ran from 1-108,255. I am no expert, and would suggest that you ask at the S&W Forum at
http://www.smith-wessonforum.com

That is a cool gun!
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Disclaimer- There may be unexplained discrepancies or numbers issued out of sequence with serial numbers.
According to the SCSW 3rd. ed.,
Model 38, serial #AHH57XX - probably 1985
Model 10-5, serial #D9543XX - around 1976-1977
Model 640, serial #CAC36XX - probably 1996

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Wanna check your book's accuracy? My S/W 940 Centennial 9mm 5 shot snub ser # is BFV689x. Left S/W on July 16, 1991. How close is your book?
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Wanna check your book's accuracy? My S/W 940 Centennial 9mm 5 shot snub ser # is BFV689x. Left S/W on July 16, 1991. How close is your book?
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I assume that you have a letter from Roy Jinks, S&W Historian that gives you your shipping date.

I will also reiterate that the authors state that there are discrepancies in S/N dates in the SCSW 3rd. ed. due to a variety of factors causing gaps in S/N sequence or S/N prefixes being used out of sequence.

The SCSW reports that your Model 940 9mm Centennial Stainless is a:
"Caliber: 9mm Parabellum. Double-action-only revolver built on the round butt stainless J frame with three screws. 5-shot fluted cylinder with a length of 1.51"; 2" or 3" barrel, 1/8" serrated ramp front sight with square notch rear sight. Fully concealed hammer, .312" smooth combat trigger, satin stainless finish, Uncle Mike's Santoprene combat grips. Supplied with full moon clips. Cataloged 1991 - 1998."

It also reports on the Model 940 Special in .356TSW caliber.

Engineering and Production Changes include:
"940 (1991): Introduction.
1993: 3" discontinued.
940-1 (1993) New firing pin
[more changes]"

Since your gun is a 940, the engineering and production changes alone narrow it down to 1991-1993.

The SCSW 3rd. ed. "Serial Number Range By Years" Appendix places your gun's S/N into date areas: between August 1990 and January 1991, or in Sept. 1992.

The SCSW 3rd. ed. is by no means perfect, as there were a lot of guns moving through S&W and no one person in charge of documenting anything. The book was compiled by S&W experts and uses information compiled from many sources. I do think the Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson, Third edition, by Supica and Nahas, is an invaluable resource for the S&W enthusiast.

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I assume that you have a letter from Roy Jinks, S&W Historian that gives you your shipping date.
Thanks for the info. No letter. I called S/W when I bought this pistol a couple of years ago and that is what they told me over the phone. The owners manual has a hand written note, presumably by the original owner stating it was purchased by them in the same month as S/W said they shipped it.
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Thanks Chuck for the info and I am sure he will be happy to have the info.

He told me that he traded a Rossi snubbie even for the gun and had bought the Rossi for $198 new some years back. He said he even tried to talk the person out of the trade, but they insisted on the trade. Or so the story goes, but he did say if he didn't like the gun I could have first dibs on buying it from him.

Not sure if I would ever really want it to use or carry, as I already have a S&W 642 and a FN 5.7 pistol with 30 round magazine for the bedroom. With small ones in the house I would not want to have a multi wall penetrator. Such as my DW 357, S&W 610 or even my S&W 642 38 spl that I used to put under my pillow before we had to take in the grandsons.

Anyway keep up the good work.

Say while I am at it here. I have a S&W K frame 22 magnum with a factory 22 lr cylinder assembly that is interchangeable and ser # K372XXX what does the book have to say about that model. I believe mine was an early model built the year the 22 magnum and the Model 48 was introduced. What say the book if you would not mind.

I love shooting the M48 and it has just recently come back from S&W for tune up/check out and was passed with flying colors. I have ordered a Taurus model 941 4" SS 22 magnum to replace the S&W as a regular shooter just to save the S&W from any more wear and tear from regular use.

I do not expect the Taurus 22 magnum to be any where near the quality and ease of operation of the S&W, but I do hope it keeps me happy while helping to preserving a fine model of S&W craftsmanship. I almost bought a nice S&W 651 22 magnum, but again it is another rare classic and being an eveyday used gun would be expensive for the gun would have set me back almost $700 for a plinker, so I went with the Taurus.
Your friend made a good trade on the Rossi for a Smith, some people put a premium on snubbies for the concealability I have had good luck with Tauruses.

About the Model 48...Quote the following from the "Standard Catalog of Smith & Wesson," 3rd. edition, by Supica and Nahas:
"Model 48: The K-22 Masterpiece Magnum Rimfire
Caliber: .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire. Double-action revolver. Built on the square butt K target frame with 4 screws, 6-shot fluted cylinderwith a nominal length of 1.62" with cylinder counterbores. 4", 6", or 8-3/8" pinned barrel with serrated top rib, blue finish, 1/8" Patridge front sight on 6" and
8-3/8" barrels with micrometer click rear sight or Baughman quick draw on ramp base 0n 4" barrel. 10-groove serrated backstrap and forestrap, auxiliary .22LR cylinder and yoke also available as an option. Walnut Magna grips with S&W medallions and diamond around the screw escutcheon, .312" smooth combat trigger with 4" barrel with optional adjustable stop or .265" serrated service trigger with 6" or 8-3/8" barrel, .375" semi-target hammer. Optional .400" serrated trigger and .500" wide hammer was also available. Barrel markings are ".22 M.R.F." and "Smith & Wesson." Production reportedly began 5/21/59 at serial number K348746. Produced c. 1959-1986.

Variations:
* Four-screw, add 25%.
* Nickel finish examples exist, not cataloged, worth premium
* Auxiliary .22 Long Rifle cylinder available as an option.
* See the Model 648 for the stainless steel version.

Engineering and Production Changes:
48 (1959): Begin production at serial number K350000.
48-1 (1959): Change extractor rod thread from right hand to left hand.
48-2 (1962): Eliminate screw in trigger guard, change cylinder stop.
48-3 (1967): Relocation of rear sight leaf screw.
1968: Delete diamond grip.
48-4 (1977): Gas ring moved from yoke to cylinder.
1982: Delete pinned barrel
1986: Model 48 discontinued."

According to the S/N Appendix, K372XXX was made in 1959 (1959 serials ran from K350548 - K386804).

Hope this helps,
Chuck

PS- I would recommend the SCSW, 3rd. ed. for the S&W enthusiast. It is inexpensive entertainment, and education on the finest revolvers made. Lots of good pictures, too.
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WOW!!! That is some real info you posted there, I guess I am going to have to see about getting the book.

I have been thinking about putting the M48 in the back of the safe and getting a Taurus 641 to plink with, therefore saving the M48 in like new shape for a grandson. Yes I know it is blasphemy, but a S&W 641 is just too expensive to be a plinker even be it used.

By the way the 22 LR cylinder has only had maybe 18 to 24 rounds fired through it and I did that the first time this past spring.
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Old 12-06-2008, 14:39   #25
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Hey Chuck - can you check another one for me?

It's a model 19-6, blued, 4 inch barrel. Serial #BPE79xx

It's an etched serial number...I'm thinking late 90's maybe?

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