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Old 12-05-2004, 17:48   #1
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Speer Gold Dot vs. Double Tap

Hey all,

does anyone know the difference between factory Speer Gold Dot and Double Tap Gold Dot as far as velocity f.p.s and ft. lbs. energy, if any??? thanks in advance
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Old 12-05-2004, 19:31   #2
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Double Tap:
3.5" barrel - 1415fps
4.5" barrel - 1525fps

Speer:
4.0" barrel - 1350fps

Both have the same Gold Dot Bullet
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Years of Speer...Now carry the DT.;f
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Years of Speer...Now carry the DT.;f
I consider that a more than sufficient recommendation...

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Old 12-05-2004, 23:20   #6
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Old 12-06-2004, 05:45   #7
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Just ordered a box of Gold Dots from Double Tap, cant wait to try them out, thanks
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Another loading on the way! A good way to start celebrating the 20th birthday of the 357sig!

This one is the Load-X - 124gr -JHP offering as seen here:

http://www.venturamunitions.com/load...mmo-50-rounds/

I will add it to the list when it arrives of course. It will be the 141st load. I will send an e-mail out to Clark Custom tomorrow and get an update on it...tomorrow will be the four month point since I ordered! Nothing else on the horizon right now... but there are always surprises out there!
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:( May have to try these! I have carried the Speers for quite awhile! ;P Ummm! Where do you guys get them?;Q
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Nevermind! Just found the address in MCNETT's post!;a Oops! Caught your post a second late Bruce!;P
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I just ordered some double tap, I got a box of the gold dot and a box of the FMJ to try it out. Should be here in a week, I also have speer gold dots and I just got a box of Federal 125 JHP. When I get the double tap I plan on doing a side by side test, I have access to a chronograph, and plan on hitting some phone books, water jugs, ply wood and anything else we can think of. I have not seen any yet but does Remington, Winchester, PMC or anyone else make 125's ( or anything else for that matter) for the 357 sig which is readily available? The more I have the more I shall test to see which performs "best". Yes a highly subjective term, I should say which one I am personally happiest and most confident with. Oh I will be shooting them out of a G33, I just ordered a 40 conversion barrel for it but I don't know how much use I will be getting out of it, probably just go shoot some and say, see how much "better" it is in 357 !! Or if I am feeling cheap and want to pick up some cheap ammo.
What are all your thoughts....
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I have not seen any yet but does Remington, Winchester, PMC or anyone else make 125's ( or anything else for that matter) for the 357 sig which is readily available?
Assuming you mean FMJ also...

Winchester makes 357Sig in the white box, Remington makes it in the UMC yellow box, and PMC has some as well (and I believe all three make JHPs as well).
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T Earl,

Here's a partial list of what's out there:


1.) Advanced Ammunition - 124g - CMJ
2.) Advanced Ammunition - 124g - HP (Nosler)
3.) Alabama Ammo Inc. - 125g - JHP
4.) Appalachian Ammunition Inc. - 125g - JHP (RL)
**5.) Atlanta Arms & Ammo - 124g - FP TCJ (RL)
6.) Big Bear Firepower - 125g - JFP
7.) Birds-n-Bullets - 124g - FMP (RL)
**8.) Bitterroot Valley Ammunition - 125g - JHP
9.) Bitterroot Valley Ammunition - 121g - JSP (RL)
10.) Bitterroot Valley Ammunition - 125g - FMJ (RL)
11.) Blue Ridge Cartridge - 124g - CPFP
12.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - FMJ
13.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - JHC
14.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - Barnes TAC-XP
**15.) CCI Speer Blazer - 125g - TMJ
16.) CCI Speer Lawman -125g - TMJ
17.) CCI Speer Lawman RHT - 100g - frangible
18.) CCI Speer Gold Dot - 125g - GDHP (23918 and 53918)
19.) CCI Speer LE Gold Dot - 125g - GDHP (54234)
20.) CCI Speer Lawmen - 125g - TMJCF (clean-fire)
21.) Clark Custom Cartridge Company -100g - incendiary
**22.) CNC Cartridge - 124g - FMJ
**23.) CNC Cartridge - 124g - JHP
**24.) CNC Cartridge - 102g golden sabre - JHP
**25.) Collins Cartridge Comp. - 125g - FMJ (RL)
26.) Colorado Custom Cartridge - 115g - FMJ
27.) Corbon - 115g - JHP
28.) Corbon - 125g - JHP
29.) Corbon DPX- 125g - DPX
30.) Corbon Pow'R Ball - 100gr - PB
**31.) Corbon BeeSafe - 91g - BS
32.) Crooked Creek Arms - 125g - JHP
**33.) Dead Zero Ammunition - 125g - XTP
34.) Detroit Ammunition Co. - 147g - HP (subsonic)(RL)
35.) Detroit Bullet Works - 124g - HP(plated)(RL)
36.) DFA - 85g - Nylon ( lead free )
37.) DoubleTap - 125g - JHP
38.) DoubleTap - 125g - FMJ
39.) DoubleTap - 115g - JHP
40.) DoubleTap - 147g - JHP
41.) DoubleTap - 147g - FMJ
42.) DoubleTap - 80g - Barnes TAC-XP
43.) DoubleTap - 115g - Barnes TAC-XP
44.) DoubleTap - 115g - Nosler JHP
45.) DoubleTap - 180g - WFNGC hardcast
46.) Dynamic Research Technologies(DRT) - 85g - H
47.) Extreme Shock Air Freedom - 85gr - AF
48.) Extreme Shock Enhanced Penetration - 115g -frangible
**49.) Extreme Shock - 90g - FFJHP
50.) Extreme Shock - 124g - FFJHP
51.) Extreme Shock-90g-JPT-(lead free-frangible)
52.) Federal American Eagle - 125g - FMJ
53.) Federal - 125g - FMJ
54.) Federal - 125g - JHP
**55.) Federal - 150g - JHP
56.) Federal - 100g - CC BallistiClean
57.) Federal - 125g - HSTJHP
58.) Federal - 125g - THP (Tactical HP - bonded)
59.) Fiocchi - 124g - FMJ
60.) Fiocchi - 124g -XTPHP
61.) Fiocchi - 100g - SFN frangible
62.) Glaser - Blue - 80g - Safety Slug
63.) Glaser - Silver - 80g - Safety Slug
64.) Georgia Arms - 125g - FMJ
65.) Georgia Arms - 125g - GDHP
66.) Good To Go Ammunition - 124g - FMJ
67.) Good To Go Ammunition - 125g - Barnes TAC-XP
68.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 90g - JHP
69.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 124g - JHP
70.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 124g - FMJ-FP
71.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 147g - JHP
72.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 110g - Extreme (JHP)
73.) Hornady - 115g - FXT (critical defense)
74.) Hornady - 124g - JHP
75.) Hornady - 147g - JHP
76.) Hornady - 124g - TAP CQ
77.) Hornady - 147g - TAP CQ
78.) Hornady - 135g - FlexLock (critical duty)
79.) Hunting Shack Munitions - 124g - PFP (plated flat point) (RL)
80.) Hunting Shack Munitions - 125g - TMJ (Speer)(RL)
**81.) Ike's Custom Ammunition - 124g - FP
**82.) Ike's Custom Ammunition - 147 - HP - XTP
83.) International Cartridge Corp. - 100g - HP - frangible
84.) J&J Ammunition - 124g - PHP (RL)
**85.) Lancer Custom - 125g - FMJ
**86.) Lancer Custom - 125g - XTP
**87.) Lancer Custom - 125g - JHP
88.) Lehigh Defense - 115g - Xtreme Penetrator
89.) Load-X - 124g - TMJ
90.) Load-X - 115g - JHP
91.) Load-X - 124g - JHP
92.) M & M Reloads - 124g - CPFP (RL)
93.) Magsafe Ammo, Inc. - 64g - Defender
94.) Magsafe Ammo, Inc - 45g - Swat
95.) Maine Cartridge Company - 147g - JHP (RL)
96.) Master Cartridge - 125g - FMJ (RL)
97.) Mid-South Munitions - 125g - FMJ
98.) Mid-South Munitions - 125g - JHP
99.) Middle Creek Shooting Supply - 124g - FN (RL)
100.) Military Ballistics Industries - 124g - FMJ (RL)
101.) Miwall - 124g - TMJ (RL)
102.) Parabellum Research - 125g - FMJ (value line)(RL)
103.) Parabellum Research - 125g - JHP (value line)(RL)
104.) Parabellum Research - 125g - FMJ (premium line)
105.) Parabellum Research - 125g - JHP (premium line)
106.) Parabellum Research - 147g - FMJ (value line)(RL)
107.) Parabellum Research - 147g - JHP (value line)(RL)
108.) Parabellum Research - 147g - FMJ (premium line)
109.) Parabellum Research - 147g - JHP (premium line)
**110.) PMC - 124g - FMJ
**111.) PMC Starfire - 125g - JHP
**112.) Precision Ammunition - 125g - JHP
**113.) Precision Ammunition - 100g - copper matrix NTF (non-toxic frangible)
114.) Precision Cartridge Inc - 125g - FMJ (RL)
115.) Precision Cartridge Inc - 100g -RNFP - frangible (RL)
116.) Precision One Ammunition - 125g - FMJ
117.) Precision One Ammunition - 125g - HP/XTP
118.) Prograde - 125g - Barnes TAC-XP
**119.) Pro-Load - 125g - JHP
120.) Prvi Partizan - 125g - FPJ
121.) RBCD - 60g - TFSP (total fragmenting soft point)
122.) Reed's Ammo & Research - 90g - XTP
123.) Reed's Ammo & Research - 115g - XTP
124.) Reed's Ammo & Research - 124g - XTP
125.) Reed's Ammo & Research - 147g - XTP
126.) Reed's Ammo & research - 124g - Gold Sabre
127.) Remington - 125g - JHP
128.) Remington Gold Sabre - 125g - BJHP
129.) Remington Disintegrator - 104g - plated frangible
130.) Remington Disintegrator CTF - 100g - Frangible
131.) RWS - 100g - copper matrix NTF
132.) SBR - 124g - FMJ SRVT (short range visible tracer)
133.) SBR - 124r - FMJ ERVT (extended range visible tracer)
134.) SBR - 147g - TCJ (Southern Ballistics Research)
135.) SBR - 130g - FMJ (TCJ) (Southern Ballistics Research)
136.) Sellier & Belliot - 140g - FMJ
137.) Sig Sauer - V-Crown - 125g - JHP
138.) Sillman Cartridge Company - 147g - FMJ
139.) Silver Bullet Munitions - 124g - FP (RL)
140.) Tennessee Cartridge Company - 125g - FMJ (RL)
**141.) Texas Ammunition Co. - 124g - FMJFP (RL)
142.) Trident Ammunition - 124g - JHP (RL)
**143.) Triton - 115g - JHP
**144.) Triton - 125g - JHP
**145.) Triton - 135g - JHP
146.) Ultramax - 125g - FMJ (RL)
147.) UMC - 125g - FMJ
148.) UMC - 125g - JHP
149.) Underwood Ammunition - 124g - HP (RL)
150.) Underwood Ammunition - 125g - GDJHP
151.) Underwood Ammunition - 125g - BFMJ
152.) Underwood Ammunition - 125g - JHP (Sierra bullet)
153.) Underwood Ammunition - 147g - GDJHP
154.) Underwood Ammunition - 125g - TAC-XP
155.) Underwood Ammunition - 115g - JHP
156.) Underwood Ammunition - 124g - JHP - XTP
157.) Ventura Tactical - 125g - TC (Truncated Cone)(RL)
**158.) Wagner Acuswage - 125g - TMJ (RL)
159.) Washougal River Cartridge Company - 124g - TMJ (RL)
160.) Webb's Brass Assets - 124g - FP
161.) Winchester - 125g - FMJ
162.) Winchester - 125g - JHP
163.) Winchester - WinClean - 125g - BEB (brass enclosed base)
164.) Winchester Ranger - 125g - SXT
165.) Winchester Ranger - 125g - BJHP
166.) Winchester Ranger - 100g - SF - frangible
167.) Winchester Super Clean NT - 105g - JSP
168.) Wisconsin Cartridge Corp. - 125g - FMJ (RL)

** - no longer manufactured
(RL) - remanufactured round

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Wisconsin Cartridge
Precision One Ammunition

Maybe we should make a sticky out of this list as I seem to post it quite frequently. G33???
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T Earl,

Here's a partial list of what's out there:


1.) Alabama Ammo Inc. - 125g - JHP
**2.) Atlanta Arms & Ammo - 124g - FP TCJ (RL)
**3.) Bitterroot Valley Ammunition - 125g - JHP
4.) Blue Ridge Cartridge - 124g - CPFP
5.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - FMJ
6.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - JHC
7.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - Barnes TAC-XP
**8.) CCI Speer Blazer - 125g - TMJ
9.) CCI Speer Lawman -125g - TMJ
10.) CCI Speer Lawman RHT - 100g - frangible
11.) CCI Speer Gold Dot - 125g - GDHP (23918 and 53918)
12.) CCI Speer LE Gold Dot - 125g - GDHP (54234)
13.) CCI Speer Lawmen - 125g - TMJCF (clean-fire)
**14.) CNC Cartridge - 124g - FMJ
**15.) CNC Cartridge - 124g - JHP
**16.) CNC Cartridge - 102g golden sabre - JHP
**17.) Collins Cartridge Comp. - 125g - FMJ (RL)
18.) Corbon - 115g - JHP
19.) Corbon - 125g - JHP
20.) Corbon DPX- 125g - DPX
21.) Corbon Pow'R Ball - 100gr - PB
**22.) Corbon BeeSafe - 91g - BS
23.) Crooked Creek Arms - 125g - JHP
24.) Dead Zero Ammunition - 125g - XTP
25.) DFA - 85g - Nylon ( lead free )
26.) DoubleTap - 125g - JHP
27.) DoubleTap - 125g - FMJ
28.) DoubleTap - 115g - JHP
29.) DoubleTap - 147g - JHP
30.) DoubleTap - 147g - FMJ
31.) DoubleTap - 80g - Barnes TAC-XP
32.) DoubleTap - 115g - Barnes TAC-XP
33.) DoubleTap - 115g - Nosler JHP
34.) DoubleTap - 180g - WFNGC hardcast
35.) Extreme Shock Air Freedom - 85gr - AF
36.) Extreme Shock Enhanced Penetration - 115g -frangible
**37.) Extreme Shock - 90g - FFJHP
38.) Extreme Shock - 124g - FFJHP
39.) Extreme Shock-90g-JPT-(lead free-frangible)
40.) Federal American Eagle - 125g - FMJ
41.) Federal - 125g - FMJ
42.) Federal - 125g - JHP
**43.) Federal - 150g - JHP
44.) Federal - 100g - CC BallistiClean
45.) Federal - 125g - HSTJHP
46.) Federal - 125g - THP (Tactical HP - bonded)
47.) Fiocchi - 124g - FMJ
48.) Fiocchi - 124g -XTPHP
49.) Fiocchi - 100g - SFN frangible
50.) Glaser - Blue - 80g - Safety Slug
51.) Glaser - Silver - 80g - Safety Slug
52.) Georgia Arms - 125g - FMJ
53.) Georgia Arms - 125g - GDHP
54.) Good To Go Ammunition - 124g - FMJ
55.) Good To Go Ammunition - 125g - Barnes TAC-XP
56.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 90g - JHP
57.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 124g - JHP
58.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 124g - FMJ-FP
59.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 147g - JHP
60.) Hornady - 115g - FXT (critical defense)
61.) Hornady - 124g - JHP
62.) Hornady - 147g - JHP
63.) Hornady - 124g - TAP CQ
64.) Hornady - 147g - TAP CQ
65.) Hornady - 135g - FlexLock (critical duty)
66.) Hunting Shack Ammunition - 124g - PFP (plated flat point) (RL)
67.) Ike's Custom Ammunition - 124g - FP
68.) Ike's Custom Ammunition - 147 - HP - XTP
69.) International Cartridge Corp. - 100g - HP - frangible
70.) J&J Ammunition - 124g - PHP (RL)
**71.) Lancer Custom - 125g - FMJ
**72.) Lancer Custom - 125g - XTP
**73.) Lancer Custom - 125g - JHP
74.) Load-X - 124g - TMJ
75.) Load-X - 115g - JHP
76.) Load-X - 124g - JHP
77.) M & M Reloads - 124g - CPFP
78.) Magsafe Ammo, Inc. - 64g - Defender
79.) Magsafe Ammo, Inc - 45g - Swat
80.) Maine Cartridge Company - 147g - JHP
81.) Master Cartridge - 125g - FMJ (RL)
82.) Middle Creek Shooting Supply - 124g - FN (RL)
83.) Military Ballistics Industries - 124g - FMJ (RL)
84.) Miwall - 124g - TMJ (RL)
85.) Parabellum Research - 125g - FMJ (value line)(RL)
86.) Parabellum Research - 125g - JHP (value line)(RL)
87.) Parabellum Research - 125g - FMJ (premium line)
88.) Parabellum Research - 125g - JHP (premium line)
89.) Parabellum Research - 147g - FMJ (value line)(RL)
90.) Parabellum Research - 147g - JHP (value line)(RL)
91.) Parabellum Research - 147g - FMJ (premium line)
92.) Parabellum Research - 147g - JHP (premium line)
**93.) PMC - 124g - FMJ
**94.) PMC Starfire - 125g - JHP
**95.) Precision Ammunition - 125g - JHP
**96.) Precision Ammunition - 100g - copper matrix NTF (non-toxic frangible)
97.) Precision Cartridge Inc - 125g - FMJ (RL)
98) Precision Cartridge Inc - 100g -RNFP - frangible (RL)
99.) Precision One Ammunition - 125g - FMJ
100.) Prograde - 125g - Barnes TAC-XP
**101.) Pro-Load - 125g - JHP
102.) Prvi Partizan - 125g - FPJ
103.) RBCD - 60g - TFSP (total fragmenting soft point)
104.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 90g - XTP
105.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 115g - XTP
106.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 124g - XTP
107.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 147g - XTP
108.) Reed's Ammo & research - 124g - Gold Sabre
109.) Remington - 125g - JHP
110.) Remington Gold Sabre - 125g - BJHP
111.) Remington Disintegrator - 104g - plated frangible
112.) Remington Disintegrator CTF - 100g - Frangible
113.) RWS - 100g - copper matrix NTF
114.) SBR - 124g - FMJ SRVT (short range visible tracer)
115.) SBR - 124r - FMJ ERVT (extended range visible tracer)
116.) SBR - 147g - TCJ (Southern Ballistics Research)
117.) SBR - 130g - FMJ (TCJ) (Southern Ballistics Research)
118.) Sellier & Belliot - 140g - FMJ
119.) Sillman Cartridge Company - 147g - FMJ
120.) Tennessee Cartridge Company - 125g - FMJ (RL)
121.) Texas Ammunition Co. - 124g - FMJFP (RL)
**122.) Triton - 115g - JHP
**123.) Triton - 125g - JHP
**124.) Triton - 135g - JHP
125.) Ultramax - 125g - FMJ (RL)
126) UMC - 125g - FMJ
127.) UMC - 125g - JHP
128.) Underwood Ammunition - 124g - HP (RL)
129.) Underwood Ammunition - 125g - GDJHP
130.) Underwood Ammunition - 125g - BFMJ
131.) Underwood Ammunition - 125g - JHP (Sierra bullet)
132.) Underwood Ammunition - 147g - GDJHP
133.) Ventura Tactical - 125g - TC (Truncated Cone)
**134.) Wagner Acuswage - 125g - TMJ (RL)
135.) Webb's Brass Assets - 124g - FP
136.) Winchester - 125g - FMJ
137.) Winchester - 125g - JHP
138) Winchester - WinClean - 125g - BEB (brass enclosed base)
139.) Winchester Ranger - 125g - SXT
140.) Winchester Ranger - 125g - BJHP
141.) Winchester Ranger - 100g - SF - frangible
142.) Wisconsin Cartridge Corp. - 125g - FMJ (RL)

** - no longer manufactured
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Reed's Ammunition and Research
Georgia Arms
Parabellum Research
Underwood Ammo
Wisconsin Cartridge
Precision One Ammunition

Maybe we should make a sticky out of this list as I seem to post it quite frequently. G33???
I'm sticking with #12 It's like feeding perfection to perfection.
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I'm sticking with #12 It's like feeding perfection to perfection.
You can never go wrong with that one!
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plus Double Tap is coming out with a practice load!!!
Pretty sure it's already out.
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Right!! That whole section was cut and pasted from another ( much earlier ) thread... like I said, I seem to post this often.
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