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Old 12-05-2004, 16:48   #1
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Speer Gold Dot vs. Double Tap

Hey all,

does anyone know the difference between factory Speer Gold Dot and Double Tap Gold Dot as far as velocity f.p.s and ft. lbs. energy, if any??? thanks in advance
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Old 12-05-2004, 18:31   #2
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Double Tap:
3.5" barrel - 1415fps
4.5" barrel - 1525fps

Speer:
4.0" barrel - 1350fps

Both have the same Gold Dot Bullet
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Old 12-05-2004, 19:16   #3
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Old 12-05-2004, 20:28   #4
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Years of Speer...Now carry the DT.;f
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I consider that a more than sufficient recommendation...

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Just ordered a box of Gold Dots from Double Tap, cant wait to try them out, thanks
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Another loading on the way! A good way to start celebrating the 20th birthday of the 357sig!

This one is the Load-X - 124gr -JHP offering as seen here:

http://www.venturamunitions.com/load...mmo-50-rounds/

I will add it to the list when it arrives of course. It will be the 141st load. I will send an e-mail out to Clark Custom tomorrow and get an update on it...tomorrow will be the four month point since I ordered! Nothing else on the horizon right now... but there are always surprises out there!
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:( May have to try these! I have carried the Speers for quite awhile! ;P Ummm! Where do you guys get them?;Q
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Nevermind! Just found the address in MCNETT's post!;a Oops! Caught your post a second late Bruce!;P
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I just ordered some double tap, I got a box of the gold dot and a box of the FMJ to try it out. Should be here in a week, I also have speer gold dots and I just got a box of Federal 125 JHP. When I get the double tap I plan on doing a side by side test, I have access to a chronograph, and plan on hitting some phone books, water jugs, ply wood and anything else we can think of. I have not seen any yet but does Remington, Winchester, PMC or anyone else make 125's ( or anything else for that matter) for the 357 sig which is readily available? The more I have the more I shall test to see which performs "best". Yes a highly subjective term, I should say which one I am personally happiest and most confident with. Oh I will be shooting them out of a G33, I just ordered a 40 conversion barrel for it but I don't know how much use I will be getting out of it, probably just go shoot some and say, see how much "better" it is in 357 !! Or if I am feeling cheap and want to pick up some cheap ammo.
What are all your thoughts....
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I have not seen any yet but does Remington, Winchester, PMC or anyone else make 125's ( or anything else for that matter) for the 357 sig which is readily available?
Assuming you mean FMJ also...

Winchester makes 357Sig in the white box, Remington makes it in the UMC yellow box, and PMC has some as well (and I believe all three make JHPs as well).
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T Earl,

Here's a partial list of what's out there:


1.) Advanced Ammunition - 124g - CMJ
2.) Advanced Ammunition - 124g - HP (Nosler)
3.) Alabama Ammo Inc. - 125g - JHP
**4.) Atlanta Arms & Ammo - 124g - FP TCJ (RL)
**5.) Bitterroot Valley Ammunition - 125g - JHP
6.) Bitterroot Valley Ammunition - 121g - JSP
7.) Bitterroot Valley Ammunition - 125g - FMJ
8.) Blue Ridge Cartridge - 124g - CPFP
9.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - FMJ
10.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - JHC
11.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - Barnes TAC-XP
**12.) CCI Speer Blazer - 125g - TMJ
13.) CCI Speer Lawman -125g - TMJ
14.) CCI Speer Lawman RHT - 100g - frangible
15.) CCI Speer Gold Dot - 125g - GDHP (23918 and 53918)
16.) CCI Speer LE Gold Dot - 125g - GDHP (54234)
17.) CCI Speer Lawmen - 125g - TMJCF (clean-fire)
18.) Clark Custom Cartridge Company -100g - incendiary
**19.) CNC Cartridge - 124g - FMJ
**20.) CNC Cartridge - 124g - JHP
**21.) CNC Cartridge - 102g golden sabre - JHP
**22.) Collins Cartridge Comp. - 125g - FMJ (RL)
23.) Corbon - 115g - JHP
24.) Corbon - 125g - JHP
25.) Corbon DPX- 125g - DPX
26.) Corbon Pow'R Ball - 100gr - PB
**27.) Corbon BeeSafe - 91g - BS
28.) Crooked Creek Arms - 125g - JHP
29.) Dead Zero Ammunition - 125g - XTP
30.) Detroit Ammunition Co. - 147g - HP (subsonic)
31.) DFA - 85g - Nylon ( lead free )
32.) DoubleTap - 125g - JHP
33.) DoubleTap - 125g - FMJ
34.) DoubleTap - 115g - JHP
35.) DoubleTap - 147g - JHP
36.) DoubleTap - 147g - FMJ
37.) DoubleTap - 80g - Barnes TAC-XP
38.) DoubleTap - 115g - Barnes TAC-XP
39.) DoubleTap - 115g - Nosler JHP
40.) DoubleTap - 180g - WFNGC hardcast
41.) Extreme Shock Air Freedom - 85gr - AF
42.) Extreme Shock Enhanced Penetration - 115g -frangible
**43.) Extreme Shock - 90g - FFJHP
44.) Extreme Shock - 124g - FFJHP
45.) Extreme Shock-90g-JPT-(lead free-frangible)
46.) Federal American Eagle - 125g - FMJ
47.) Federal - 125g - FMJ
48.) Federal - 125g - JHP
**49.) Federal - 150g - JHP
50.) Federal - 100g - CC BallistiClean
51.) Federal - 125g - HSTJHP
52.) Federal - 125g - THP (Tactical HP - bonded)
53.) Fiocchi - 124g - FMJ
54.) Fiocchi - 124g -XTPHP
55.) Fiocchi - 100g - SFN frangible
56.) Glaser - Blue - 80g - Safety Slug
57.) Glaser - Silver - 80g - Safety Slug
58.) Georgia Arms - 125g - FMJ
59.) Georgia Arms - 125g - GDHP
60.) Good To Go Ammunition - 124g - FMJ
61.) Good To Go Ammunition - 125g - Barnes TAC-XP
62.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 90g - JHP
63.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 124g - JHP
64.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 124g - FMJ-FP
65.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 147g - JHP
66.) Hornady - 115g - FXT (critical defense)
67.) Hornady - 124g - JHP
68.) Hornady - 147g - JHP
69.) Hornady - 124g - TAP CQ
70.) Hornady - 147g - TAP CQ
71.) Hornady - 135g - FlexLock (critical duty)
72.) Hunting Shack Ammunition - 124g - PFP (plated flat point) (RL)
73.) Ike's Custom Ammunition - 124g - FP
74.) Ike's Custom Ammunition - 147 - HP - XTP
75.) International Cartridge Corp. - 100g - HP - frangible
76.) J&J Ammunition - 124g - PHP (RL)
**77.) Lancer Custom - 125g - FMJ
**78.) Lancer Custom - 125g - XTP
**79.) Lancer Custom - 125g - JHP
80.) Load-X - 124g - TMJ
81.) Load-X - 115g - JHP
82.) Load-X - 124g - JHP
83.) M & M Reloads - 124g - CPFP
84.) Magsafe Ammo, Inc. - 64g - Defender
85.) Magsafe Ammo, Inc - 45g - Swat
86.) Maine Cartridge Company - 147g - JHP
87.) Master Cartridge - 125g - FMJ (RL)
88.) Mid-South Munitions - 125g - FMJ
89.) Mid-South Munitions - 125g - JHP
90.) Middle Creek Shooting Supply - 124g - FN (RL)
91.) Military Ballistics Industries - 124g - FMJ (RL)
92.) Miwall - 124g - TMJ (RL)
93.) Parabellum Research - 125g - FMJ (value line)(RL)
94.) Parabellum Research - 125g - JHP (value line)(RL)
95.) Parabellum Research - 125g - FMJ (premium line)
96.) Parabellum Research - 125g - JHP (premium line)
97.) Parabellum Research - 147g - FMJ (value line)(RL)
98.) Parabellum Research - 147g - JHP (value line)(RL)
99.) Parabellum Research - 147g - FMJ (premium line)
100.) Parabellum Research - 147g - JHP (premium line)
**101.) PMC - 124g - FMJ
**102.) PMC Starfire - 125g - JHP
**103.) Precision Ammunition - 125g - JHP
**104.) Precision Ammunition - 100g - copper matrix NTF (non-toxic frangible)
105.) Precision Cartridge Inc - 125g - FMJ (RL)
106) Precision Cartridge Inc - 100g -RNFP - frangible (RL)
107.) Precision One Ammunition - 125g - FMJ
108.) Prograde - 125g - Barnes TAC-XP
**109.) Pro-Load - 125g - JHP
110.) Prvi Partizan - 125g - FPJ
111.) RBCD - 60g - TFSP (total fragmenting soft point)
112.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 90g - XTP
113.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 115g - XTP
114.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 124g - XTP
115.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 147g - XTP
116.) Reed's Ammo & research - 124g - Gold Sabre
117.) Remington - 125g - JHP
118.) Remington Gold Sabre - 125g - BJHP
119.) Remington Disintegrator - 104g - plated frangible
120.) Remington Disintegrator CTF - 100g - Frangible
121.) RWS - 100g - copper matrix NTF
122.) SBR - 124g - FMJ SRVT (short range visible tracer)
123.) SBR - 124r - FMJ ERVT (extended range visible tracer)
124.) SBR - 147g - TCJ (Southern Ballistics Research)
125.) SBR - 130g - FMJ (TCJ) (Southern Ballistics Research)
126.) Sellier & Belliot - 140g - FMJ
127.) Sig Sauer - V-Crown - 125g - JHP
128.) Sillman Cartridge Company - 147g - FMJ
129.) Silver Bullet Munitions - 124g - FP
130.) Tennessee Cartridge Company - 125g - FMJ (RL)
131.) Texas Ammunition Co. - 124g - FMJFP (RL)
**132.) Triton - 115g - JHP
**133.) Triton - 125g - JHP
**134.) Triton - 135g - JHP
135.) Ultramax - 125g - FMJ (RL)
136) UMC - 125g - FMJ
137.) UMC - 125g - JHP
138.) Underwood Ammunition - 124g - HP (RL)
139.) Underwood Ammunition - 125g - GDJHP
140.) Underwood Ammunition - 125g - BFMJ
141.) Underwood Ammunition - 125g - JHP (Sierra bullet)
142.) Underwood Ammunition - 147g - GDJHP
143.) Underwood Ammunition - 125g - TAC-XP
144.) Ventura Tactical - 125g - TC (Truncated Cone)
**145.) Wagner Acuswage - 125g - TMJ (RL)
146.) Webb's Brass Assets - 124g - FP
147.) Winchester - 125g - FMJ
148.) Winchester - 125g - JHP
149) Winchester - WinClean - 125g - BEB (brass enclosed base)
150.) Winchester Ranger - 125g - SXT
151.) Winchester Ranger - 125g - BJHP
152.) Winchester Ranger - 100g - SF - frangible
153.) Wisconsin Cartridge Corp. - 125g - FMJ (RL)

** - no longer manufactured
(RL) - remanufactured round

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Precision One Ammunition

Maybe we should make a sticky out of this list as I seem to post it quite frequently. G33???
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T Earl,

Here's a partial list of what's out there:


1.) Alabama Ammo Inc. - 125g - JHP
**2.) Atlanta Arms & Ammo - 124g - FP TCJ (RL)
**3.) Bitterroot Valley Ammunition - 125g - JHP
4.) Blue Ridge Cartridge - 124g - CPFP
5.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - FMJ
6.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - JHC
7.) Buffalo Bore - 125g - Barnes TAC-XP
**8.) CCI Speer Blazer - 125g - TMJ
9.) CCI Speer Lawman -125g - TMJ
10.) CCI Speer Lawman RHT - 100g - frangible
11.) CCI Speer Gold Dot - 125g - GDHP (23918 and 53918)
12.) CCI Speer LE Gold Dot - 125g - GDHP (54234)
13.) CCI Speer Lawmen - 125g - TMJCF (clean-fire)
**14.) CNC Cartridge - 124g - FMJ
**15.) CNC Cartridge - 124g - JHP
**16.) CNC Cartridge - 102g golden sabre - JHP
**17.) Collins Cartridge Comp. - 125g - FMJ (RL)
18.) Corbon - 115g - JHP
19.) Corbon - 125g - JHP
20.) Corbon DPX- 125g - DPX
21.) Corbon Pow'R Ball - 100gr - PB
**22.) Corbon BeeSafe - 91g - BS
23.) Crooked Creek Arms - 125g - JHP
24.) Dead Zero Ammunition - 125g - XTP
25.) DFA - 85g - Nylon ( lead free )
26.) DoubleTap - 125g - JHP
27.) DoubleTap - 125g - FMJ
28.) DoubleTap - 115g - JHP
29.) DoubleTap - 147g - JHP
30.) DoubleTap - 147g - FMJ
31.) DoubleTap - 80g - Barnes TAC-XP
32.) DoubleTap - 115g - Barnes TAC-XP
33.) DoubleTap - 115g - Nosler JHP
34.) DoubleTap - 180g - WFNGC hardcast
35.) Extreme Shock Air Freedom - 85gr - AF
36.) Extreme Shock Enhanced Penetration - 115g -frangible
**37.) Extreme Shock - 90g - FFJHP
38.) Extreme Shock - 124g - FFJHP
39.) Extreme Shock-90g-JPT-(lead free-frangible)
40.) Federal American Eagle - 125g - FMJ
41.) Federal - 125g - FMJ
42.) Federal - 125g - JHP
**43.) Federal - 150g - JHP
44.) Federal - 100g - CC BallistiClean
45.) Federal - 125g - HSTJHP
46.) Federal - 125g - THP (Tactical HP - bonded)
47.) Fiocchi - 124g - FMJ
48.) Fiocchi - 124g -XTPHP
49.) Fiocchi - 100g - SFN frangible
50.) Glaser - Blue - 80g - Safety Slug
51.) Glaser - Silver - 80g - Safety Slug
52.) Georgia Arms - 125g - FMJ
53.) Georgia Arms - 125g - GDHP
54.) Good To Go Ammunition - 124g - FMJ
55.) Good To Go Ammunition - 125g - Barnes TAC-XP
56.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 90g - JHP
57.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 124g - JHP
58.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 124g - FMJ-FP
59.) Grizzly Cartridge Company - 147g - JHP
60.) Hornady - 115g - FXT (critical defense)
61.) Hornady - 124g - JHP
62.) Hornady - 147g - JHP
63.) Hornady - 124g - TAP CQ
64.) Hornady - 147g - TAP CQ
65.) Hornady - 135g - FlexLock (critical duty)
66.) Hunting Shack Ammunition - 124g - PFP (plated flat point) (RL)
67.) Ike's Custom Ammunition - 124g - FP
68.) Ike's Custom Ammunition - 147 - HP - XTP
69.) International Cartridge Corp. - 100g - HP - frangible
70.) J&J Ammunition - 124g - PHP (RL)
**71.) Lancer Custom - 125g - FMJ
**72.) Lancer Custom - 125g - XTP
**73.) Lancer Custom - 125g - JHP
74.) Load-X - 124g - TMJ
75.) Load-X - 115g - JHP
76.) Load-X - 124g - JHP
77.) M & M Reloads - 124g - CPFP
78.) Magsafe Ammo, Inc. - 64g - Defender
79.) Magsafe Ammo, Inc - 45g - Swat
80.) Maine Cartridge Company - 147g - JHP
81.) Master Cartridge - 125g - FMJ (RL)
82.) Middle Creek Shooting Supply - 124g - FN (RL)
83.) Military Ballistics Industries - 124g - FMJ (RL)
84.) Miwall - 124g - TMJ (RL)
85.) Parabellum Research - 125g - FMJ (value line)(RL)
86.) Parabellum Research - 125g - JHP (value line)(RL)
87.) Parabellum Research - 125g - FMJ (premium line)
88.) Parabellum Research - 125g - JHP (premium line)
89.) Parabellum Research - 147g - FMJ (value line)(RL)
90.) Parabellum Research - 147g - JHP (value line)(RL)
91.) Parabellum Research - 147g - FMJ (premium line)
92.) Parabellum Research - 147g - JHP (premium line)
**93.) PMC - 124g - FMJ
**94.) PMC Starfire - 125g - JHP
**95.) Precision Ammunition - 125g - JHP
**96.) Precision Ammunition - 100g - copper matrix NTF (non-toxic frangible)
97.) Precision Cartridge Inc - 125g - FMJ (RL)
98) Precision Cartridge Inc - 100g -RNFP - frangible (RL)
99.) Precision One Ammunition - 125g - FMJ
100.) Prograde - 125g - Barnes TAC-XP
**101.) Pro-Load - 125g - JHP
102.) Prvi Partizan - 125g - FPJ
103.) RBCD - 60g - TFSP (total fragmenting soft point)
104.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 90g - XTP
105.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 115g - XTP
106.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 124g - XTP
107.) Reeds's Ammo & Research - 147g - XTP
108.) Reed's Ammo & research - 124g - Gold Sabre
109.) Remington - 125g - JHP
110.) Remington Gold Sabre - 125g - BJHP
111.) Remington Disintegrator - 104g - plated frangible
112.) Remington Disintegrator CTF - 100g - Frangible
113.) RWS - 100g - copper matrix NTF
114.) SBR - 124g - FMJ SRVT (short range visible tracer)
115.) SBR - 124r - FMJ ERVT (extended range visible tracer)
116.) SBR - 147g - TCJ (Southern Ballistics Research)
117.) SBR - 130g - FMJ (TCJ) (Southern Ballistics Research)
118.) Sellier & Belliot - 140g - FMJ
119.) Sillman Cartridge Company - 147g - FMJ
120.) Tennessee Cartridge Company - 125g - FMJ (RL)
121.) Texas Ammunition Co. - 124g - FMJFP (RL)
**122.) Triton - 115g - JHP
**123.) Triton - 125g - JHP
**124.) Triton - 135g - JHP
125.) Ultramax - 125g - FMJ (RL)
126) UMC - 125g - FMJ
127.) UMC - 125g - JHP
128.) Underwood Ammunition - 124g - HP (RL)
129.) Underwood Ammunition - 125g - GDJHP
130.) Underwood Ammunition - 125g - BFMJ
131.) Underwood Ammunition - 125g - JHP (Sierra bullet)
132.) Underwood Ammunition - 147g - GDJHP
133.) Ventura Tactical - 125g - TC (Truncated Cone)
**134.) Wagner Acuswage - 125g - TMJ (RL)
135.) Webb's Brass Assets - 124g - FP
136.) Winchester - 125g - FMJ
137.) Winchester - 125g - JHP
138) Winchester - WinClean - 125g - BEB (brass enclosed base)
139.) Winchester Ranger - 125g - SXT
140.) Winchester Ranger - 125g - BJHP
141.) Winchester Ranger - 100g - SF - frangible
142.) Wisconsin Cartridge Corp. - 125g - FMJ (RL)

** - no longer manufactured
(RL) - remanufactured round

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Georgia Arms
Parabellum Research
Underwood Ammo
Wisconsin Cartridge
Precision One Ammunition

Maybe we should make a sticky out of this list as I seem to post it quite frequently. G33???
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I'm sticking with #12 It's like feeding perfection to perfection.
You can never go wrong with that one!
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plus Double Tap is coming out with a practice load!!!
Pretty sure it's already out.
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Right!! That whole section was cut and pasted from another ( much earlier ) thread... like I said, I seem to post this often.
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Duh!

I have made the switch, too.
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Looks like I'm gonna make the switch to Double Tap also.

Damn!! Wasn't too long ago I did my 200 round test with the Speers!!!;g :(

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Old 12-30-2004, 11:59   #23
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Gold Dot

I've been using the Speer Gold Dots & Ranger SXT's for CCW rounds, but the DT looks interesting. Does anyone have the address to thier Website? Thank you, in advance. Have fun & stay safe! ;f ;f
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Thanks Bruce! Have fun & stay safe!;f
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