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Old 02-06-2014, 20:55   #1
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What should I do??? (my friends are anti-gun)

Hi,

Apologies if this is posted in the wrong forum section. I looked at the other forum sections, but I couldn't think of a better place to put it.

Here is my problem: I live in Northern Virginia. Virginia is pro-gun, but many people in NoVa are from other states, and aren't comfortable around firearms (including my closest friends).

I have only been a gun owner for less than a year, and when I started buying guns, I didn't think it would be an issue.

In fact, I didn't even mention to my friends that I am a gun owner, since I feel that it is a non-issue.

Recently, I was hanging out with my friends and the issue of guns came up, and I mentioned that I'm a gun owner.

I was really surprised that my friends reacted with concern, as if finding out that I own guns is scary, or frightening.

One of my friends said that she thinks that "no one should be allowed to own guns," and my other friends seem to be frightened of the fact that I own guns. Another of my friends said that only the police should be allowed to have guns.

These are my closest friends, and I really care about them, so I am not going to stop being friends with them. They are also part of my church community, so we spend a lot of time together.

But since finding out that I own guns, one of my friends said he doesn't want to hang out with me unless I get rid of the guns. Some of my other friends haven't said that (at least not yet), but they don't want to hang out at my apartment, since there are guns there (in my gun safe).

I was planning on being room mates with one of these friends, but now I know that he is very uncomfortable around firearms, even if they are locked up.

I don't want to upset my friends, but I also feel that I should be able to own guns, since it is a constitutional right.

But my friends don't see it that way. One of my friends said that he never wants to own a gun, and that I don't need guns either.

I even talked to my pastor about it, and he doesn't like guns either (he said that I shouldn't feel offended, since he wouldn't even trust himself with a firearm).

I have tried explaining to my friends about how gun ownership is an important constitutional right, and how guns are a useful tool for self-defense, but they listen to what I'm saying, and tell me that they still disagree with me.

They are practically appalled at the idea of owning guns for self-defense.

They also seem horrified that I own "more than one gun," and they feel that owning multiple guns is especially concerning.

I have tried mentioning all the pro-gun explanations I can think of (examples of self-defense from the news, "guns don't kill people, people kill people", "guns save lives", etc).

But my friends still disagree with me, and keep telling me that I need to get rid of my guns.

I love my friends, and I don't want my gun ownership to upset them.

But at the same time, I also consider my 2nd Amendment rights to be important. I don't want to sell my guns.

Has anyone else been in a similar situation?

What should I do?
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Old 02-06-2014, 21:01   #2
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If your friends are so irrational, then try not to concern yourself too much with their unfounded fears.
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Old 02-06-2014, 21:11   #3
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They have given you the choice. Give up our guns or give up their friendship. If me I'd say FU and find new friends.
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Old 02-06-2014, 21:14   #4
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My friends and I may have an opinion, and converse the subject, discussion and commentary is good....we don't have to agree, as long as we respect each others limitations.

BUT if one of them mentioned an ultimatum concerning 'friends OR the guns', well...

Buh-bye, now....

I am out....bang a gong...
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Old 02-06-2014, 21:27   #5
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It appears that your friends want to be friends on their terms and your opinions and feelings don't mean anything to them. I would continue to be friendly with them and if they make the decision to terminate the friendship then it is their loss.

From the sounds of it though, it is a lost cause. Unfortunately, they sound like the typical anti-gun person who will not listen. They accept what fits their agenda and reject everything else and no amount of reasoning will work.
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Old 02-06-2014, 21:08   #6
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Your friends are the ones ruining my beautiful Commonwealth of Virginia.

The best thing you can do is to keep your principals and guns, be patient and kind, show them that you are a normal person (assuming that you are) and if they choose to dismiss you as a friend- it's their loss.

Northern Virginia and Eastern Maryland are victims of an over reaching government.
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Old 02-07-2014, 08:28   #7
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The best thing you can do is to keep your principals and guns, be patient and kind, show them that you are a normal person (assuming that you are) and if they choose to dismiss you as a friend- it's their loss.

Northern Virginia and Eastern Maryland are victims of an over reaching government.
Good post.

Lead by example, it works for children and liberals (sometimes).

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Old 02-07-2014, 09:10   #8
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Your friends are the ones ruining my beautiful Commonwealth of Virginia.

The best thing you can do is to keep your principals and guns, be patient and kind, show them that you are a normal person (assuming that you are) and if they choose to dismiss you as a friend- it's their loss.

Northern Virginia and Eastern Maryland are victims of an over reaching government.
Agreed. If they won't accept your choices and explanation, let them go. I'm not saying to push your friends away, but if they are true friends they will accept you.
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Old 02-07-2014, 09:23   #9
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Make it personal for them by giving them a situation where they would want a gun:

"A vicious rapist comes into your house. He smashes through the door and you can't get to your cellphone. You run to your bedroom where you have your pistol. Are you glad that you have a gun under those circumstances?"

If they say no, I wouldn't want a gun, they are essentially suicidal and definitely mentally ill. If they say yes, under those circumstances, they would want a gun - then you win. Originally being from NJ, I have experienced these types of people before. I volunteered to send home/personal defense stories via e-mail to one of the mentally ill ones and he didn't want to know about them. The reason is he lives in a bubble where nothing bad will happen to him and he doesn't want that violated. NEVER GIVE UP YOUR RIGHTS TO MAKE SOMEONE ELSE FEEL COMFORTABLE - ESPECIALLY ONES THAT DON'T DESERVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 02-08-2014, 08:08   #10
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Your friends are the ones ruining my beautiful Commonwealth of Virginia.

The best thing you can do is to keep your principals and guns, be patient and kind, show them that you are a normal person (assuming that you are) and if they choose to dismiss you as a friend- it's their loss.

Northern Virginia and Eastern Maryland are victims of an over reaching government.
These are my feelings as well. Some of them may have the beliefs they do out of fear. People are sometimes afraid of things they don't know anything about, especially when the unknown item has the capability of being lethal.
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Old 02-08-2014, 11:32   #11
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The best thing you can do is to keep your principals and guns, be patient and kind, show them that you are a normal person (assuming that you are) and if they choose to dismiss you as a friend- it's their loss.
Well said, fuzzy.
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Old 02-08-2014, 13:37   #13
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Your friends are the ones ruining my beautiful Commonwealth of Virginia.

The best thing you can do is to keep your principals and guns, be patient and kind, show them that you are a normal person (assuming that you are) and if they choose to dismiss you as a friend- it's their loss.

Northern Virginia and Eastern Maryland are victims of an over reaching government.
I agree. It sounds like his friends are in Congressman Jim Moron's district. Alexandria is libtarded for the most part. I would suggest to the op who sounds like he is young and still has the ideals that all people are good and it will take a few years to teach these people the truth.

I would suggest to the females to ask them what they may do if they are attractive and a thug wants some of their goodies? But op, you should remember one thing..while people may claim to be anti gun a lot of them have guns at home and lie about it. Good luck in choosing your friends better in the future. Try getting them to learn to shoot etc.
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Old 02-08-2014, 19:46   #14
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I agree. It sounds like his friends are in Congressman Jim Moron's district. Alexandria is libtarded for the most part. I would suggest to the op who sounds like he is young and still has the ideals that all people are good and it will take a few years to teach these people the truth.

I would suggest to the females to ask them what they may do if they are attractive and a thug wants some of their goodies? But op, you should remember one thing..while people may claim to be anti gun a lot of them have guns at home and lie about it. Good luck in choosing your friends better in the future. Try getting them to learn to shoot etc.
Hi Juneybooney,

Thanks for your reply.

You're totally right about Alexandria (and Arlington, Falls Church, Fairfax, Loudoun, etc) becoming increasingly left-wing.

I remember on the Washington Post website on election night, they had an election map where it listed the results by polling place.

In a lot of places in NoVA, McAwful got upwards of 70% of the vote

Even in places like Manassas it seems like the Democrat population is growing.

Hopefully Frank Wolf's district will stay GOP this November.

When I heard that he is retiring, I wasn't sure whether to be glad that a more conservative R might be elected to replace him, or if I should worry that the district will turn D.
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If they don't respect you for what you believe in, they're not your friends. Sometimes you have to cut loose people.

You can make new friends who respect your views.
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If they don't respect you for what you believe in, they're not your friends. Sometimes you have to cut loose people.

You can make new friends who respect your views.
^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^
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If they don't respect you for what you believe in, they're not your friends. Sometimes you have to cut loose people.

You can make new friends who respect your views.
I second that.
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I have friends that we see eye to eye on most everything except one subject.

In your case guns (same for some of my friends)...

Simple answer is don't try and convert them and put up a strong boundary when they try and convert you. If they keep at trying to convert you then....you have an answer-- a real friend acknowledges their friends boundaries. Forget discussion in a group-- you may have better luck with a one on one... Or not, so proceed with caution.

For example, one night at dinner, right before Mother's Day, I thought a good ice breaker was to say " since Mother's Day is right around the corner why don't we go around the table and share something nice about our moms"...

Immediately a friend I've know 6-7 years stops the conversation and says "no! We need a different subject"... I have no idea why... But all of us were ok to move on... If I didn't respect my friends wishes I would have asked " why not..." However, no is good enough for me.

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Tell them that living under a bridge is dangerous and you need a way to protect yourself from those pesky gnomes.
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