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Old 10-26-2013, 02:19   #1
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Old 10-26-2013, 07:00   #2
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It's always good that there is a positive conclusion to the investigation and the BG's motivation is uncovered (in this case it appears to be a suicide by cop, as related by family members).

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Otherwise, the regular GNG band members of the USS TitanticallyAntiLEO would be calling for the LEO's head and slandering.

Also, I'm surprised so far we haven't heard the "It's only a BB gun" and "couldn't the Officer just shoot it out of his hand."
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Old 10-31-2013, 14:06   #3
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Some random thoughts...

It's always good that there is a positive conclusion to the investigation and the BG's motivation is uncovered (in this case it appears to be a suicide by cop, as related by family members).



Otherwise, the regular GNG band members of the USS TitanticallyAntiLEO would be calling for the LEO's head and slandering.

Also, I'm surprised so far we haven't heard the "It's only a BB gun" and "couldn't the Officer just shoot it out of his hand."
There are always ways that could be improved in a situation. One could argue that he could have said, "Freeze, mother..f" and see what the guy did. But in my observation the guy seemed drunk and non compliant and then they said he was not going back to jail so the suicide by cop fits to a tee. I am sure the leo remembers that all the time.
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Old 11-01-2013, 06:47   #4
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Some random thoughts...

It's always good that there is a positive conclusion to the investigation and the BG's motivation is uncovered (in this case it appears to be a suicide by cop, as related by family members).



Otherwise, the regular GNG band members of the USS TitanticallyAntiLEO would be calling for the LEO's head and slandering.

Also, I'm surprised so far we haven't heard the "It's only a BB gun" and "couldn't the Officer just shoot it out of his hand."
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Old 10-26-2013, 07:12   #5
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Good for the aunt to come fwd with the information she did.

The officer did not (appear to) reload after emptying his weapon, understandable considering his tunnel vision and spiked physiological arousal. Understanding 'train how you fight, fight how you train' this is why at every range outing - with every lock of the slide I rip and ram a loaded mag, and with every holster draw I execute as quickly as possible.

He might have been in trouble if the BG was still viable.

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Old 10-26-2013, 07:19   #6
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I just don't get the folks that want to commit suicide, but just don't have the courage to do it. That hesitation to me is the reason to live. So, instead, some unknowing individual now has the experience of having to do it for him and possibly the weight on his conscience.
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The officer did not (appear to) reload after emptying his weapon, understandable considering his tunnel vision and spiked physiological arousal.
Am I missing something? I didn't see him go to slide lock.
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Am I missing something? I didn't see him go to slide lock.
Looked like he fired around 15 rounds of the 16/18 in the weapon.
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Looked like he fired around 15 rounds of the 16/18 in the weapon.
Do they still teach tactical reload? IDK.
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Do they still teach tactical reload? IDK.
Seems like it would have been a good place for it, huh?
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Old 10-26-2013, 11:41   #11
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Do they still teach tactical reload? IDK.
I practice them in the hopes that I would do it under stress. Once he back at the car and the threat seems down would be a good time to do one.

He did a great job, he shot like he meant it.
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Do they still teach tactical reload? IDK.
We just stopped. Not sure what the justification was.

Edit: we just stopped teaching the magazine exchange (replacing a partial with a full mag with a round in the chamber).

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Old 10-26-2013, 11:17   #13
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Am I missing something? I didn't see him go to slide lock.
No, you're right - didn't run dry and lock so he must've had one left in the pipe. I counted 16 shots and figure he was out, that maybe he rode the lock (which I've done on my MP) and the slide dropped on empty mag.


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No, you're right - didn't run dry and lock so he must've had one left in the pipe. I counted 16 shots and figure he was out, that maybe he rode the lock (which I've done on my MP) and the slide dropped on empty mag.


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I know he was carrying a Glock, but we can't tell which model. If it was a G17, that's 17+1, so it would explain the slide not locking back.

A reload would have been appropriate, but I'm not about to criticize a guy who just went through that.


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I know he was carrying a Glock, but we can't tell which model. If it was a G17, that's 17+1, so it would explain the slide not locking back.

A reload would have been appropriate, but I'm not about to criticize a guy who just went through that.


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He could have also had a +2 extension as well.
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I know he was carrying a Glock, but we can't tell which model. If it was a G17, that's 17+1, so it would explain the slide not locking back.

A reload would have been appropriate, but I'm not about to criticize a guy who just went through that.


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I don't see it as criticism myself. I see a big difference between the constructive thoughts we have seen here so far, and MMQBing by those who have never been there themselves, and never will.
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Am I missing something? I didn't see him go to slide lock.
Why would you wait until you're out to reload?
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Why would you wait until you're out to reload?
I agree, but the statement was in direct response to someone who had commented that the officer had emptied his weapon. I was asking if I had legitimately missed the gun going to slide lock.
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In this case he was sitting down so that takes a lot of shooting
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Am I missing something? I didn't see him go to slide lock.
I did not see it either..I don't think he was empty. The guy seemed drunk to me. Interesting video.
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