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Old 08-27-2013, 04:30   #1
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Any Residents of BOSTON that were there During the MANHUNT??

Hey all,

I've got a question that's been on my mind for a bit and thought I'd ask it. It may have been posted and talked about before and I missed it, if it has, sorry for bringing it up again.

Anyway, is there anyone here that lives or lived IN Boston at the time of the bombing and subsequent manhunt?

We all saw how the city was placed in a state of de facto Martial Law. The Police Chief and Mayor (I suppose) were on TV and media telling EVERYONE to STAY HOME, not to come out during the "hunt." Do I have that correct? People were told by the authorities to stay in their houses and not to do anything at all outside, even in their yards or garages?

We all saw the heavily armed police forces, who knows what agencies they were from and if they were FEDS, State or Local, going house to house conducting searches. It appeared the homeowner or tenants were given little choice in the matter of consenting to these searches. I've seen and read several articles where police went to a house, gained entry and were seen leading the occupants out in handcuffs for whatever reason.

We all know the seriousness of the situation that was going on. A first rate piece of trash that helped his scumbag brother maim and kill a lot of totally innocent and helpless victims, some of which were just little kids standing to watch an historic foot race in a great American city on a beautiful morning was on the loose and could likely kill and injure lots more people if given the chance. He HAD to be found, I agree with that entirely.

What I am wondering about is whether anyone actually did go out during that time when you were supposed to be staying put inside. Did anyone have a craving for a TACO or a BIG MAC and say "I'm gonna go out and drive till I find a TACO BELL and get me a Burrito?" If you did, were you stopped by the police or detained? Were you allowed to go out and get a pack of cigs if you wanted one or a 6-pack of beer? Just how tight did the authorities have that city SHUT DOWN during that hunt? If you did venture out would you get stopped and charged? I can easily see a situation where you did go out for whatever reason and were stopped and arrested and charged with obstructing a LEO.

Do you know if anyone was arrested and charged for simply going out to get a Coke against the orders of the Authorities? What about those searches of the houses? Could you refuse to allow them in to search and tell them "there is no one here but me and my cat and I don't consent to you searching my home" without fear of arrest and prosecution?

Does anyone know if the authorities arrested lots of Bostonians for doing the things I asked about that ordinarily wouldn't be any big deal at all?

What about during the searches of the homes and police finding a bag of weed that someone has for their own use on the coffee table or on their nightstand? Do you think they'd arrest you if they ran across that during their house to house searches during that time?

I'm just curious if people were arrested and punished for things like that during the manhunt and if there was any push back against the LOCKDOWN that was imposed by the LEO's and Officials in the days after.

Are they any Bostonians in the house that can tell us what it was really like during those tense couple of days and how it was in the city and suburbs while the hunt was going on?

Thanks for the time.

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Old 08-27-2013, 04:48   #2
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I'm not in Boston, but I suspect if you had any contraband, it would be hidden before they forced their way into your home. Since they were looking for a person, I doubt they would look in drawers, cabinets, and other small areas for drugs. They didn't have time.

But if you were in the middle of burning a big ol' doob, or had a Kilo of white powder on a table, or a meth lab, it may be a different story.

FWIW, they weren't going door to door searching for a terrorist. They went door to door searching for a terrorist who killed a cop. Get used to seeing those heavy handed tactics. Especially in the NE.
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Old 08-27-2013, 08:10   #3
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I'm not in Boston, but I suspect if you had any contraband, it would be hidden before they forced their way into your home. Since they were looking for a person, I doubt they would look in drawers, cabinets, and other small areas for drugs. They didn't have time.

But if you were in the middle of burning a big ol' doob, or had a Kilo of white powder on a table, or a meth lab, it may be a different story.

FWIW, they weren't going door to door searching for a terrorist. They went door to door searching for a terrorist who killed a cop. Get used to seeing those heavy handed tactics. Especially in the NE.
I bet the minute the police started looking for the suspects anyone with any kind of weight moved their drugs out Boston. Anyone who kept them put them near the toilet.

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Old 08-27-2013, 11:22   #4
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They went door to door searching for a terrorist who killed a cop.
He hasn't been charged with that murder, that I'm aware of.
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Old 08-27-2013, 05:57   #5
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my guess is more than a few refused to comply. now as to what happen at that point we'll never know. the media and its handlers main job was to present to the public, that there was no resistance.
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Old 08-27-2013, 07:25   #6
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Let me guess, another guy who wants to stretch the advice given by government and the terms used by the press into some conspiracy to violate civil rights, without actually having any evidence that a single right was violated. Haven't we been here before?

OP, there wasn't a LOCKDOWN!!!!!! Get a grip.
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Old 08-27-2013, 11:43   #7
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Let me guess, another guy who wants to stretch the advice given by government and the terms used by the press into some conspiracy to violate civil rights, without actually having any evidence that a single right was violated. Haven't we been here before?

OP, there wasn't a LOCKDOWN!!!!!! Get a grip.
There is no need to stretch the truth, there was what was called a "lockdown" and many people who had their homes searched did have their rights violated. No, was not accepted as refusal to have your home searched. Although compliance with the request to stay in was voluntary, the way it was announced and reported ( they called it an ORDER) did not give that impression, and because it hadn't happened before people thought they would be arrested if out on the road without proper reason.
The "shelter in place" order covered a hugh area while they searched an area of Watertown ( a boston suburb) where bomber #2 was last seen. They didn't even search the yard where the bomber was hiding all the time. The home owner called the cops when he saw blood on the boat in his yard when he came out of his home after the order was lifted.
All in all the shelter in place order did not need to be placed on such a large area. And yes, they caught the suspect but that doesn't mean it was all good police work. Anyone watching the report of the manhunt in Watertown could see there was a lot done wrong. The number of police in that area was ridiculous overkill, they were tripping over each other and some very sloppy gun handling.

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Old 08-27-2013, 13:40   #8
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There is no need to stretch the truth, there was what was called a "lockdown" and many people who had their homes searched did have their rights violated. No, was not accepted as refusal to have your home searched. Although compliance with the request to stay in was voluntary, the way it was announced and reported ( they called it an ORDER) did not give that impression, and because it hadn't happened before people thought they would be arrested if out on the road without proper reason.
The "shelter in place" order covered a hugh area while they searched an area of Watertown ( a boston suburb) where bomber #2 was last seen. They didn't even search the yard where the bomber was hiding all the time. The home owner called the cops when he saw blood on the boat in his yard when he came out of his home after the order was lifted.
All in all the shelter in place order did not need to be placed on such a large area. And yes, they caught the suspect but that doesn't mean it was all good police work. Anyone watching the report of the manhunt in Watertown could see there was a lot done wrong. The number of police in that area was ridiculous overkill, they were tripping over each other and some very sloppy gun handling.
I recall the first interview with the guy who owned the boat, done by a local station and picked up by a network. I seem to remember him saying that they had searched the yard and looked in the boat earlier and he said he told the dispatcher "You had better have them come back"
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Old 08-27-2013, 17:31   #9
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... and many people who had their homes searched did have their rights violated. ...... The number of police in that area was ridiculous overkill, they were tripping over each other and ...
How many of these "many" people felt their rights were violated have filed complaints and/or law suits?

How many police officers would be an appropriate number in your opinion? Have you ever particpated in an arrest/perimeter/search in a civilian law enforcement capacity? If so kindly share your qualifications.
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Old 08-27-2013, 19:34   #10
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How many of these "many" people felt their rights were violated have filed complaints and/or law suits?

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The lawsuits (if any) may come later. Normally there is a two year statute of limitations on filing a lawsuit. Often they get filed right before that. It gives them more time to identify more people to sue.
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The lawsuits (if any) may come later. Normally there is a two year statute of limitations on filing a lawsuit. Often they get filed right before that. It gives them more time to identify more people to sue.
And also more time to polish the "woe is me" story.
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OP, there wasn't a LOCKDOWN!!!!!! Get a grip.
Well Bren, does calling it "Shelter In Place", justify it?
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Let me guess, another guy who wants to stretch the advice given by government and the terms used by the press into some conspiracy to violate civil rights, without actually having any evidence that a single right was violated. Haven't we been here before?

OP, there wasn't a LOCKDOWN!!!!!! Get a grip.
hey, there's a craft international guy missing a back pack.
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hey, there's a craft international guy missing a back pack.
He doesn't need it anymore. Buried in the damn desert, unmarked graves, out past Terralingua.
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He doesn't need it anymore. Buried in the damn desert, unmarked graves, out past Terralingua.
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I wasn't there Monday for the Marathon, as traffic around the city is impossible, but on Tuesday and Wednesday it was business as usual for me. Some customers were closed, but most were open and operating as normal.

The guy who owns "the boat" is a friend of my fathers (same boat club in Watertown). Those neighborhoods were "shut down" by police presence but the city was open and operating
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Let me guess, another guy who wants to stretch the advice given by government and the terms used by the press into some conspiracy to violate civil rights, without actually having any evidence that a single right was violated. Haven't we been here before?

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I wasn't there Monday for the Marathon, as traffic around the city is impossible, but on Tuesday and Wednesday it was business as usual for me. Some customers were closed, but most were open and operating as normal.

The guy who owns "the boat" is a friend of my fathers (same boat club in Watertown). Those neighborhoods were "shut down" by police presence but the city was open and operating
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just to be clear, by "shut down" There were so many cops in the area you couldn't get in or out. You weren't forced to stay indoors, but leaving the neighborhood was NEARLY impossible. for example, you can't leave your street via automobile because there are 30 police cars on it, and none of them are moving any time soon.

There was no one pushing you back into your home or arresting you as you were walking.
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It was only 'martial law' and heavy-handed if it wasn't YOUR family who's arms and legs were found 30 yards apart.



Those guys had every reason to expect to be hit with a bomb at any point in time. They were out there, where were you?
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From a LEO perspective:

OP, where were you when the manhunt occurred? My guess is no where close to the greater Boston area. I also guess that you don't know anything about law enforcement. Why don't you go apply, and willingly take a sworn oath to lay down your life to protect a community or even a state full of strangers? I fully support what the LEOs did in Boston and I am damn proud of them for catching the SOB that killed and wounded innocent American citizens.

Police work is not always unicorns and rainbows and it always involves pissing off one group of people or another. You can't make everybody happy all of the time.

OP, I ask you if you would have thought the police actions were appropriate if one of the people blown to hell by a bomb was a family member of your's?

Lastly, there has been no hard evidence that I have seen to lead me to believe that any mis conduct occurred on the part of law enforcement.
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Those guys had every reason to expect to be hit with a bomb at any point in time.
Is that why they fired into the boat over 100 times when the suspect was unarmed? To set off his bombs?
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The whole thing was a trial run to see what martial law would look like and how to go about handling it in a real world scenario, it was live practice for them to see how the public would react, what the public would tolerate.

What about the guys at the end of the Boston marathon wearing khaki pants and black jackets, wearing hats with the Punisher skull on it, also known as "Craft" contractors? One had a backpack, was in the exact area of the explosion, and a photograph of his exploded backpack was later taken. It wasn't Tsarnaev at all, it was govt. contractors plain and simple. Even police there at the end of the marathon were warning people not to panic even before the hoax event occurred. And yet again, the American public was lied to.
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The whole thing was a trial run to see what martial law would look like and how to go about handling it in a real world scenario, it was live practice for them to see how the public would react, what the public would tolerate.

What about the guys at the end of the Boston marathon wearing khaki pants and black jackets, wearing hats with the Punisher skull on it, also known as "Craft" contractors? One had a backpack, was in the exact area of the explosion, and a photograph of his exploded backpack was later taken. It wasn't Tsarnaev at all, it was govt. contractors plain and simple. Even police there at the end of the marathon were warning people not to panic even before the hoax event occurred. And yet again, the American public was lied to.
So, I guess you still have your drugs?
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So, I guess you still have your drugs?
No, my guess is he's taken them all. And then posted.
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