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Old 07-14-2013, 08:18   #1
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For those that carry, are you making changes based on the Zimmerman case?

For those that carry, are you making changes based on the Zimmerman case? The intent of this thread is to discuss what can we learn from the case. To do this, you have to critique Zimmerman's actions. However just because you see something that could be done differently or better, it doesn't mean that I'm trying to say GZ was a horrible guy because he did a, b, or c wrong. This is the carry section...I am just trying to rationally discuss what we can learn from the facts that were presented in this case. It's always better to learn from someone elses mistakes.

For me, I am hoping someone posts a link to an organization that's been mentioned before where they provide initial legal support if you are unfortunate enough to be in an incident. I cannot remember the name of the organization...sorry.

I used to think that if I did nothing wrong, that I would openly cooperate throughout questioning without legal representation. I changed that opinion before this whole incident; however this case did reinforce my decision. I don't think the police are targeting people that carry. Clearly the testimony showed that wasn't the case with Zimmerman. However your statements can be used by others in the aftermath and you should have legal representation to ensure that you have a fair assessment.

Another item that I've considered is increasing the frequency of carrying pepper spray. I'm fortunate that I'm not a 0.5 on a scale of 1-10 for fending off an attacker with my hands only. However, I do want to have as many non-lethal options are I can reasonably have for defending myself. I don't know whether that would have made a difference in the GZ case. Obviously once the attacker is on top, it was not an option. However maybe he could have used it as TM was initially approaching in an aggressive manner. Whether or not that's possible with GZ, the case did remind me to have more than just a hammer in the toolbox.

So what are your thoughts? Any changes that you plan to make?
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Old 07-14-2013, 10:15   #2
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Okay, I found the organization that I was thinking of (cited above) - Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network.

http://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org/home

I've seen them posted in the past. I wonder if anyone has used their services or is familiar with the organization. If so, please post your experience / opinion of them.

Thanks.
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Old 07-14-2013, 10:30   #3
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i dont think it will change many peoples minds especially since he was found not guilty. But that is also in the state of Florida which is far more relaxed than a lot of states when it comes to this. But i think it clearly demonstrates that pointing a gun at someone or using it can have potentially very serious implications and that you need to really think before you do so. It is a serious thing to do and should not be taken lightly.
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Old 07-14-2013, 13:52   #4
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Okay, I found the organization that I was thinking of (cited above) - Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network.

http://www.armedcitizensnetwork.org/home

I've seen them posted in the past. I wonder if anyone has used their services or is familiar with the organization. If so, please post your experience / opinion of them.

Thanks.
I know Marty and I've dealt with his organization. *Highly* recommended.
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Old 07-14-2013, 13:57   #5
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No change, I didn't do stupid things before and am not going to start now.
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Old 07-14-2013, 14:27   #6
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No change, I didn't do stupid things before and am not going to start now.
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Old 07-14-2013, 17:25   #7
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Old 07-15-2013, 02:40   #8
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I don't think it was wise of Zimmerman to get out of his car like he did, it was a risky move in my opinion. That said, had I been in Zimmerman's shoes, would I have done anything differently, I do not know. It's easy to look back, with plenty of time to analyze the situation, and judge the decisions he made. In the moment though, I don't know if I would have acted differently or not. I'm sure Zimmerman felt at the time he was acting in an appropriate and reasonable manner.

Will it change the way I carry? NO. I will still carry, but it might change my mindset when I carry. I think I might put more thought into any action I take, and I think that's a good thing. It's our right to own and carry a firearm for self-defense in my opinion, but it doesn't make us bad ass crime fighters. That gun is there to protect you, your family, or an innocent person if and when needed. The gun shouldn't make you seek out a confrontation, or engage in any risky, stupid, or unnecessary behavior. I think that is the lesson we can all learn from this incident.

On talking to the cops...I've recently become a big believer in never answering any questions from cops until you've consulted with an attorney. You can see the prosecution tried to use many things Zimmerman said against him. While cops may not like it, it's your right to speak to an attorney prior to answering any questions, and it is probably in your best interest to do so in almost all circumstances. I'm not advocating being an ass to the police, but if you just used a gun in self-defense, you should be concerned about the rest of your life, not how well the cops like you.

On non-lethal weapons...I don't carry any, I'm not a trained fighter, and I'm not in the best physical shape. I know, I should work on all of those aspects. I don't disagree with carrying non-lethal weapons, but when you are being attacked, and you feel you may be in danger of serious bodily injury or death, you should use the weapon that saves your life. I will try to avoid confrontation, fighting, etc... whenever possible, but if the SHTF and I fear for my life, the life of a loved one, or the life of an innocent person, I will shoot someone to stop that threat.
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Old 07-15-2013, 19:31   #9
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1) I have increased my awareness of my surroundings. I am not going to get sucker punched. I mean, at least I will be less likely to be sucker punched.

2) I am really going to go out of my way to me pleasant to my co-workers. This trial showed how valuable it is to have a lot of people who think you are a great person. So many of the witnesses for the prosecution seemed to really like "Georgie", which really helped him.
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Old 07-14-2013, 14:48   #10
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I know Marty and I've dealt with his organization. *Highly* recommended.
Thank you. I value your opinion highly.
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Deja Vu...

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1495084

Here's what I said there...

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I believe it was Zimmerman's neighborhood watch position and racial profiling issues that caused all his problems. As an armed citizen who carries for self protection nothing has changed for me.
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yeah if the mods had to merge all the similar threads that are posted they would be up 24/7
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yeah if the mods had to merge all the similar threads that are posted they would be up 24/7
I still think Russ never sleeps
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Old 07-14-2013, 17:28   #14
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he does. he's just so damn good, he can dream post.
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I still think Russ never sleeps
Why do you say that????
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he does. he's just so damn good, he can dream post.
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yeah if the mods had to merge all the similar threads that are posted they would be up 24/7
You are such a lovable FNG......first in The OAF, now here in Carry Issues.

We have the same topic in different forums for a few reasons. One is that perspectives vary forum to forum. Another is that some members just do not like posting in say, Political Issues, or The Okie Corral, but frequent Carry Issues. This gives them the opportunity to voice their opinions here where they are more comfortable posting.

Yeah, when there are duplicate topics here in CI, I will merge threads to consolidate the discussions. Right now the Zimmerman thing is in several different forums under several different thread topics.

And all night? NFW...

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You are such a FNG......first in The OAF, now here in Carry Issues.

We have the same topic in different forums for a few reasons. One is that perspectives vary forum to forum. Another is that some members just do not like posting in say, Political Issues, or The Okie Corral, but frequent Carry Issues. This gives them the opportunity to voice their opinions here where they are more comfortable posting.

Yeah, when there are duplicate topics here in CI, I will merge threads to consolidate the discussions. Right now the Zimmerman thing is in several different forums under several different thread topics.

And all night? NFW...

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Why would I change how I carry because of him? I'm not an overly aggressive, cop-wannabe idiot. Except for when I was an LEO, I've never confronted anybody like he did in all my 65 years.
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