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Old 06-25-2013, 08:27   #1
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ZIMMERMAN TRIAL Discussion:

I thought we should start a thread to discuss the trial as it proceeds. I live in Orlando and have been watching for the past 2 days.

I feel that Zimmerman's Lawyers appear to be disorganized and incompetent!

The Opening statement by Don West was far to long and detailed. He opened with a friggin' Knock-knock joke! IN A MURDER TRIAL!?! He then droned on for 3 hours citing far too much detail for an opening statement. His delivery is monotonous, tedious and contains far too many long pauses (while he collects his thoughts). He stammered and backtracked. Horrible to watch!

They ended the day yesterday contesting the admission of evidence of Zimmerman's previous non-emergency calls... AFTER they were already in the middle of testimony. Z's attorney's should have already known whether they wanted that admitted or not.

At this point, it doesn't look good for Zimmerman. Of course that could change, but his lawyers don't seem all that organized or competent to me. JMO
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:32   #2
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:32   #3
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Lawyers, either idiots or genius in the making.
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Old 06-25-2013, 08:39   #4
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I am assuming that there are some stronger phases of the trial for them, but clearly West's opening statement doesn't appear to be well thought out nor did it fit his droning style of delivery. Knock-knock joke fell flat and he later had to apologized.

Off to a roaring start for the defense!
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I am assuming that there are some stronger phases of the trial for them, but clearly West's opening statement doesn't appear to be well thought out nor did it fit his droning style of delivery. Knock-knock joke fell flat and he later had to apologized.

Off to a roaring start for the defense!

If his purpose for the joke was to get the jury to stop thinking about the strong open by the prosecutor and to pay attention to his open, he probably accomplished that. Planned or not I don't know, but at that level I suspect it was planned.

Even though his open droned on and on, he got a lot of information out to the jury before the prosecutor could put his spin on it. He probably got out some things that the jury would never see otherwise. I'll reserve judgment until the end to see if GZ got his monies worth.

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If his purpose for the joke was to get the jury to stop thinking about the strong open by the prosecutor and to pay attention to his open, he probably accomplished that. Planned or not I don't know, but at that level I suspect it was planned.

Even though his open droned on and on, he got a lot of information out to the jury before the prosecutor could put his spin on it. He probably got out some things that the jury would never see otherwise. I'll reserve judgment until the end to see if GZ got his monies worth.

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I have seen prosecutors jump up like that Guy did and lose flat on their face. Just because the opening was short and loudmouthed doe snot make the case strong. I see the case as a weak racially motivated case.
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I don't know why I just thought of this, but remember back during the OJ trial, when OJ lawyer Barry Sheck was absolutely destroying the crime scene supervisor (Dennis Fung) and had him on the stand for 11 days. Sheck was admonished when he was overheard saying.. "We're having Fung now!"

Today should be a lot of "Fung"

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I feel that Zimmerman's Lawyers appear to be disorganized and incompetent!

The Opening statement by Don West was far to long and detailed. He opened with a friggin' Knock-knock joke! IN A MURDER TRIAL!?! He then droned on for 3 hours citing far too much detail for an opening statement. His delivery is monotonous, tedious and contains far too many long pauses (while he collects his thoughts). He stammered and backtracked. Horrible to watch!

His lawyers don't seem all that organized or competent to me. JMO

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^^^ This!

And many cases have been lost because of bad lawyering. Whether Zimmerman gets acquitted or found guilty, at least let it be on the facts or the law, and not on bad lawyers.
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^This thread has been going strong for a good couple o' days now. Not sure another was needed, but I'll leave that in the hands of the mods.
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^This thread has been going strong for a good couple o' days now. Not sure another was needed, but I'll leave that in the hands of the mods.
I wanted a thread to discuss aspects of the trail, not about whether or not there will be riots, etc...
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I wanted a thread to discuss aspects of the trail, not about whether or not there will be riots, etc...
And that thread is a running commentary on the trial. It may not have started that way, but that's the way it's gone. Just saying, reading threads helps avoid repetition.
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I wonder how many are truly watching this case with an open mind?

I already see people (both sides) building a case for why their side unjustly lost...

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Why are we even hearing about this trial?

Since the Zimmerman/Martin event anywhere from 100-200 black males have been killed by other black males in this country. And under far more hostile conditions.

Why are we not hearing about any or all of those?
It seems that the news media has a hidden agenda?
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Since the Zimmerman/Martin event anywhere from 100-200 black males have been killed by other black males in this country.
Which neighborhood are you referring to? I hope you're not talking about all of them collectively. If so, your numbers might be a wee bit low.
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Why are we even hearing about this trial?

Since the Zimmerman/Martin event anywhere from 100-200 black males have been killed by other black males in this country. And under far more hostile conditions.

Why are we not hearing about any or all of those?
It seems that the news media has a hidden agenda?
Yeah that's old news. Media is trying to stir up for a complete riot in America so they could profit from that event by broadcasting the event. Clever! NOT!
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One thing is for certain... right, wrong or indifferent... if Z gets acquitted, found not guilty, etc... there will be civil unrest somewhere over it.
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One thing is for certain... right, wrong or indifferent... if Z gets acquitted, found not guilty, etc... there will be civil unrest somewhere over it.
People wringing their hands worrying about that is a big problem in this country. It's why the unrest happens to start with.
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One thing is for certain... right, wrong or indifferent... if Z gets acquitted, found not guilty, etc... there will be civil unrest somewhere over it.
I worry if it's a hung jury.. he's not gonna have the money/stamina to fight again, and might take some ridiculous plea that avoids prison/jail time.

This of course, will also result in rioting. Like I said earlier, if you guys live in the area, I'd have 3-5 days of supplies on hand when jury deliberations start. If he is acquitted, I think it's going to be absolute chaos.

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Why are we not hearing about any or all of those?
It seems that the news media has a hidden agenda?
They absolutely do. They despise the notion of stand-your-ground, of guns and their use for self-defense in general, and the racist controversy they created out of thin air doesn't hurt ratings either.

Never heard of a "white Hispanic" before this event either.
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Why are we even hearing about this trial?

Since the Zimmerman/Martin event anywhere from 100-200 black males have been killed by other black males in this country. And under far more hostile conditions.

Why are we not hearing about any or all of those?
It seems that the news media has a hidden agenda?
This case is unique for many reasons. One of which is it took public outcry to even get the guy charged.
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This case is unique for many reasons. One of which is it took public outcry to even get the guy charged.
Actually, it's unique because the public outcry RESULTED in an arrest, where Florida law is pretty damn clear that it shouldn't have happened. In a self-defense case, if the evidence at the scene is matched up with the statements of those involved (directly or as witnesses), then arrests are forbidden by law and charges should have never been filed. In this case, there were no witnesses to the event other than George Zimmerman, and the physical evidence at the scene matched his description of events as they happened. The Sanford police questioned him, and found this to be the case, and that's why an arrest was never made. Because they understand the laws on self-defense.

This whole trial is 100% based on the court of public opinion, and God help us when the Nancy Grace crowd starts dictating how the law is applied.
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It seems that the news media has a hidden agenda?
Make no mistake... the agenda is CLEAR.
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Curious, when is this expected to go to the Jury? I realize it's a guess, but some folks are good at guessing!

It will take a HEAVY thumb or SEVERAL very heavy thumbs on the scale of justice to get any sort of conviction, and even at that, the thumbprint should pave the way for the appeal.

But I think the riot talk is just idle threats.
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Curious, when is this expected to go to the Jury? I realize it's a guess, but some folks are good at guessing!

It will take a HEAVY thumb or SEVERAL very heavy thumbs on the scale of justice to get any sort of conviction, and even at that, the thumbprint should pave the way for the appeal.

But I think the riot talk is just idle threats.
Were you not around when Rodney King got beat up by a few Caucasian LEO's for resisting arrest and the officers got acquitted?

I bet Reginald Denny still remembers that day quite well.
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