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Old 05-08-2013, 08:11   #1
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Private Property With No Gun Signs - What you do

This is mostly for those of us in states where these signs carry no force of law, but what do you do at private property that has a no guns allowed sign.

Personally, I have not encountered this, but my thought is to just go in with my concealed firearm anyway. The property owner can always ask me to leave, and I would if they asked. Curious who else does/would do this if its legal to in your state as it in in WA.

Do you leave your firearm in the car and go in?

Do you go somewhere else? If so do you write the business owner telling them you won;t shop there because of that?
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Old 05-08-2013, 08:22   #2
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I'm with you, I'll go in if I really want to.

Don't ask, don't tell; concealed means concealed.

I'll also boycott them if possible, maybe even explain why.
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I would honor the request of the owner. I would not enter while carrying.
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Old 05-08-2013, 09:09   #4
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I would honor the request of the owner. I would not enter while carrying.
What if you had to pee real bad?

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What if you had to pee real bad?

Then you do the pee-pee dance.
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Don't ask, don't tell; concealed means concealed.

I'll also boycott them if possible, maybe even explain why.
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I give them the same consideration the law gives them. None.
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Carrying on a permit, I'd give them the same consideration I'd expect others to give to me and my property.
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Seriously though, I would leave and not come back. It's their property, so it's their right not to have weapons on their premises.

It's my money and my right to not spend it there.

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Seriously though, I would leave and not come back. It's their property, so it's their right not to have weapons on their premises.

It's my money and my right to not spend it there.
Ricky,
It is their right to request I not bring a gun on their premises. However, it is my right to bear arms. In my state, all they can do is ask me to leave. If I then refused to leave, I'd be trespassing.
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It is their right to request I not bring a gun on their premises. However, it is my right to bear arms. In my state, all they can do is ask me to leave. If I then refused to leave, I'd be trespassing.
It is indeed your right to bear arms just as it is my right as well. However, they still have the right to tell you to leave their property and to take your gun with you. And if they do ask you to leave I think you're a reasonable man and you will leave since you are aware of the consequences of not doing so.

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Seriously though, I would leave and not come back. It's their property, so it's their right not to have weapons on their premises.

It's my money and my right to not spend it there.
Concur.

And, on top of that, I think it is irresponsible to leave your gun in the car if you believe it is safer on your person (which I do). I consider that a business which asks me to leave any firearm in the car unnecessarily is soliciting irresponsibility.

In that sense, the business itself is being irresponsible. How likely is it that other actions of the business -- like quality of products and services, customer service, or product guarantees -- are likely to be handled irresponsibly?

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I'd treat such a sign the same way I'd treat a "No Colored Allowed" sign (if such things as anti-discrimination laws did not exist.) Ignore it if they had something I needed or wanted and it was inconvenient to go someplace else and next time go someplace else with my money and spend it where it was appreciated the next opportunity.

Can you imagine the _____storm that would erupt if someone put up a "No Democrats or Liberals" sign on their store's door?
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I'd treat such a sign the same way I'd treat a "No Colored Allowed" sign (if such things as anti-discrimination laws did not exist.) Ignore it if they had something I needed or wanted and it was inconvenient to go someplace else and next time go someplace else with my money and spend it where it was appreciated the next opportunity.

Can you imagine the _____storm that would erupt if someone put up a "No Democrats or Liberals" sign on their store's door?

Hmmmmm. Since the MSM and Federal Government say that civilian gun owners are a small MINORITY of the population; does that mean that as gun owners, we can get protections under anti-discrimination laws? Could gun ownership be a civil liberty? Hmmmmmm
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Hmmmmm. Since the MSM and Federal Government say that civilian gun owners are a small MINORITY of the population; does that mean that as gun owners, we can get protections under anti-discrimination laws? Could gun ownership be a civil liberty? Hmmmmmm
Uh... it already is and has been recognized as such for over two centuries.
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Uh... it already is and has been recognized as such for over two centuries.
What I was getting at, is could gun owners be considered a "minority group"? With all the protections and rights afforded other "minority groups"? Could someone who discriminates against gun owners actually be guilty of a hate crime under Federal law?
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I'd treat such a sign the same way I'd treat a "No Colored Allowed" sign (if such things as anti-discrimination laws did not exist.) Ignore it if they had something I needed or wanted and it was inconvenient to go someplace else and next time go someplace else with my money and spend it where it was appreciated the next opportunity.

Can you imagine the _____storm that would erupt if someone put up a "No Democrats or Liberals" sign on their store's door?
"If you voted for Barack Obama your business is not welcome at Southwest Shooting Authority," the ad reads. "You have proven that you are not responsible enough to own a firearm."

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I'd treat such a sign the same way I'd treat a "No Colored Allowed" sign (if such things as anti-discrimination laws did not exist.) Ignore it if they had something I needed or wanted and it was inconvenient to go someplace else and next time go someplace else with my money and spend it where it was appreciated the next opportunity.

Can you imagine the _____storm that would erupt if someone put up a "No Democrats or Liberals" sign on their store's door?
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A belief that their wants and desires are fundamentally more important than those of others. A belief that only their rights and property are sovereiqn, coupled with a lack of concern for the rights and property of others. Inability to differentiate between can and should. Are we talking about permit holders or career criminals? I wonder, does a lowlife who claims their theft or trespass was because they'd surely starve but for access to your possessions or property have any more of a valid point than a ccw'er who pretends that the threat of death is so imminent that they would surely perish should they not retain their pistol while visiting a posted home or business.
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A belief that their wants and desires are fundamentally more important than those of others. A belief that only their rights and property are sovereiqn, coupled with a lack of concern for the rights and property of others. Inability to differentiate between can and should. Are we talking about permit holders or career criminals? I wonder, does a lowlife who claims their theft or trespass was because they'd surely starve but for access to your possessions or property have any more of a valid point than a ccw'er who pretends that the threat of death is so imminent that they would surely perish should they not retain their pistol while visiting a posted home or business.
Luby's Cafeteria Massacre was why I chose to get my CCP (back in the early 90s). A woman who carried left her CCW in her car out of respect for the no carry signs. Her parents died in that massacre as well as many.

And I usually never read what is posted on the window/door of an establishment unless it is in bold letters and very large. IF they do that, they are going to lose my business. So posting a policy that is not readable unless you stop and read it is not going to get my attention.
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And I usually never read what is posted on the window/door of an establishment unless it is in bold letters and very large. IF they do that, they are going to lose my business. So posting a policy that is not readable unless you stop and read it is not going to get my attention.
Good point. With as many signs as there out there, if you managed to read half of them, it would be amazing. Sometimes, people tuck these signs off in obscure locations because they feel it gives them CYA, while not offending customers who may have a CCW. They are trying to have their cake and eat it too. My thought is that if you want to flash a sign, put it out there for the world to see. If you lose customers, that's the consequence. It's only money.
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Luby's Cafeteria Massacre was why I chose to get my CCP (back in the early 90s). A woman who carried left her CCW in her car out of respect for the no carry signs. Her parents died in that massacre as well as many.

And I usually never read what is posted on the window/door of an establishment unless it is in bold letters and very large. IF they do that, they are going to lose my business. So posting a policy that is not readable unless you stop and read it is not going to get my attention.
I'm glad you carry but a sign wasn't the reason she wasn't carrying.

She wasn't carrying because Texas didn't have a CHL law yet and she, being a law abiding citizen, left it in her vehicle.

The woman you're referring too, Suzanna Hupp, went on to lead the charge push through Texas's CHL law and become the U.S. congressional representative for that area from 1996-2006 handily beating all challengers until she chose not to run in 2006.
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I'm glad you carry but a sign wasn't the reason she wasn't carrying.

She wasn't carrying because Texas didn't have a CHL law yet and she, being a law abiding citizen, left it in her vehicle.

The woman you're referring too, Suzanna Hupp, went on to lead the charge push through Texas's CHL law and become the U.S. congressional representative for that area from 1996-2006 handily beating all challengers until she chose not to run in 2006.

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I'm glad you carry but a sign wasn't the reason she wasn't carrying.

She wasn't carrying because Texas didn't have a CHL law yet and she, being a law abiding citizen, left it in her vehicle.

The woman you're referring too, Suzanna Hupp, went on to lead the charge push through Texas's CHL law and become the U.S. congressional representative for that area from 1996-2006 handily beating all challengers until she chose not to run in 2006.
Thanks for correction. Her following the then law assisted in more lives lost most likely as the law left her defenseless along with her parents.

I wonder if there could be a case when an establishment prohibits otherwise CCW folks and a madman like what happened in the Colorado theater (or VT) goes on a rampage. Could the establishment be sued (and win) when they did not provide any additional security while making it easier for the killer to continue shooting unarmed people due to THEIR no CCW policy?
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