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Old 04-19-2013, 07:22   #1
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Door-to-door searches during manhunt

Assume you are a Watertown, MA resident and the cops come a-knocking looking for Mr. Jihad. Do you answer and if you do, would you let them in for alook around or would you assume your word is good enough? What if they insist and force their way in? Does a manhunt like this suspend your Constitutional 4th Amendment rights?

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Old 04-19-2013, 07:28   #2
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Assume you are a Watertown, MA resident and the cops come a-knocking looking for Mr. Jihad. Do you answer and if you do, would you let them in for alook around or would you assume your word is good enough? What if they insist and force their way in? Does a manhunt like this suspend your Constitutional 4th Amendment rights?

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I may be in the minority here but I would let them have a look around. I've got nothing to hide.

Note however I live in a small town in South Carolina and every LEO I have met has, at a minimum, been professional and courteous. Of course, I've never been arrested.

In a big city that may change. I can also see why some would not want to let a LEO in for something like this but then you risk delaying the apprehension for the suspect. Let them check the house, know it is clear, and go on to look elsewhere.
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Old 04-19-2013, 07:37   #3
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...let's just say, hypothetically, that the Police stumbled on a meth lab or something. Would the "evidence" be admissible in court considering the house was entered without a warrant to search specifically for the prohibited item?

I'll becha' the 4th Ammendment would cover you on that one.

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Old 04-19-2013, 07:40   #4
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...let's just say, hypothetically, that the Police stumbled on a meth lab or something. Would the "evidence" be admissible in court considering the house was entered without a warrant to search specifically for the prohibited item?

I'll becha' the 4th Ammendment would cover you on that one.
I guess it would depend on whether they forced themselves in or if you let them in. If you let them, then I don't see how you could get out of them finding your meth lab.
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Old 04-19-2013, 07:44   #5
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...let's just say, hypothetically, that the Police stumbled on a meth lab or something. Would the "evidence" be admissible in court considering the house was entered without a warrant to search specifically for the prohibited item?

I'll becha' the 4th Ammendment would cover you on that one.
I assume you mean if they forced their way in against your consent?
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...let's just say, hypothetically, that the Police stumbled on a meth lab or something. Would the "evidence" be admissible in court considering the house was entered without a warrant to search specifically for the prohibited item?

I'll becha' the 4th Ammendment would cover you on that one.
I'll becha letting them come in makes anything they find good evidence. Give my regards to Baba.
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Old 04-20-2013, 21:23   #7
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there is alot of this in this thread .

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Old 04-19-2013, 08:37   #8
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I may be in the minority here but I would let them have a look around. I've got nothing to hide.
This.

If you have nothing to hide, then whats the problem?
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If you have nothing to hide, then whats the problem?

That's what King George used to say.
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If you have nothing to hide, then whats the problem?

Then what's the problem with gun registration, I mean if you have nothing to hide of course....
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Then what's the problem with gun registration, I mean if you have nothing to hide of course....
yup, all my guns are stamped. even my pistols.

batfe already has a file on me.

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yup, all my guns are stamped. even my pistols.

batfe already has a file on me.

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Two wrongs don't make a right.

Glad to know you support gun control, even if it's at a level of supporting the NFA of 1934.
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Old 04-19-2013, 13:11   #13
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If you have nothing to hide, then whats the problem?
I would let them in because I would want to help them find this idiot, but the "If you have nothing to hide, then why wouldn't you let someone search your house" line of thinking is a bunch of BS. Should we just submit to searches of our property and person whenever demanded?
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Old 04-19-2013, 14:16   #14
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It is my understanding that these are not simple knock on the door and let us in and have a looky looky searches..These are getting called out of your home via bull horn(or such).Once out of the dwelling you are ushered down the street by 50 or 60 police/swat, and the dwelling is cleared by LEO's in a thorough manner..This is a accurate depiction from the brother of a watertown resident ...

I would have to be put in the situation before I would know what I would do..

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Old 04-19-2013, 12:19   #15
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I may be in the minority here but I would let them have a look around. I've got nothing to hide.

Note however I live in a small town in South Carolina and every LEO I have met has, at a minimum, been professional and courteous. Of course, I've never been arrested.

In a big city that may change. I can also see why some would not want to let a LEO in for something like this but then you risk delaying the apprehension for the suspect. Let them check the house, know it is clear, and go on to look elsewhere.
I could not of said it better. This is how I feel.
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I'm gonna go with "Civil Liberties and cop threads don't belong here".
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Old 04-19-2013, 07:53   #17
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I'm gonna go with "Civil Liberties and cop threads don't belong here".
Seems like a straight forward legal conversation. As long as everyone stays away from the issues Eric has mentioned.



Since I don't have a law degree, I will refer to those that do, but....

My guess is the need for the search over rides the need for privacy, but anything other than the bad guy discovered is not legally admissible in court. Then again, if you find a child porn ring..... I don't know.
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Old 04-19-2013, 08:26   #18
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Seems like a straight forward legal conversation. As long as everyone stays away from the issues Eric has mentioned.



Since I don't have a law degree, I will refer to those that do, but....

My guess is the need for the search over rides the need for privacy, but anything other than the bad guy discovered is not legally admissible in court. Then again, if you find a child porn ring..... I don't know.
You can't prosecute, but shockingly, there will be a suspicious fire in that house the following week. There weren't no survivors.
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Old 04-19-2013, 08:32   #19
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I have 3 dogs - so I would not let them in my house.
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If I would have been in Watertown in the middle of last night's situation and SWAT wanted to come in and look around I'd have to be brain damaged to try to keep them out.
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I have 3 dogs - so I would not let them in my house.
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Old 04-21-2013, 17:46   #22
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I have 3 dogs - so I would not let them in my house.
Same. My shed has two locks on it as well. Feel free to look behind the shed or anywhere on the property including inside the garage and attic which is accessed through the garage. I do keep the vehicles in there and it is closed immediately after opening for that purpose but I would try to be helpful considering the situation. No way my dog's will be shot dead in my home doing what I've spent time and money training them to do. My dogs can hear an ant fart so in reality, dude would not hold up on my property.
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My guess is that the sole focus right now is the second suspect that the police would enter one way or another and that anything other than the suspect would be ignored and probably not admissible.
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My guess is that the sole focus right now is the second suspect that the police would enter one way or another and that anything other than the suspect would be ignored and probably not admissible.
That's what my thinking is.. with all the houses being searched, high tension, etc.. I doubt an officer is gonna give a care unless they literally see a closet full of weed, meth, etc..

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That's what my thinking is.. with all the houses being searched, high tension, etc.. I doubt an officer is gonna give a care unless they literally see a closet full of weed, meth, etc..

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But next week it might be fun to go after with that evidence.
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