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Old 03-26-2013, 17:11   #1
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Gun ammo "hoarders"

I heard a clerk at a gun counter explaining to a very grumpy customer why he couldn't sell him more than a few boxes of ammo.


He explained to him, they had "some people", and it's always the same people, who come into the store and will literally buy every single round they have, within what seems like minutes of them getting it, and they're getting a crapload of complaints from people wondering why they never have any. They're doing the same thing with magazines, and to a lesser extent, rifles themselves.


I've heard anecdotal evidence of "hoarders" being the problem before, but not from an employee at a major gun store.


What are your thoughts on this guys?

If you have money to spend on ammo, congratulations, but I'll admit to being 'socialist' enough to think it kinda sucks when nobody but the first person in line has a chance to even go plinking at the range.

And apparently people are buying ammo from places like Walmart and immediately selling it at a heavy mark up? I just saw a video saying the "ammo shortage is an illusion" because people are doing just that.

In before "people should have prepared". Not everyone has hundreds, or thousands to spend on ammo stockpiles in case demand suddenly skyrockets. I'd love to keep this thread civil, I've seen a lot of grumpiness in the lounge lately...
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Old 03-26-2013, 17:16   #2
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At what point do we become a hoarder? I have a few thousand FMJ 9mm, probably 500 9mm hollow points, 1000 or so .308.... maybe a few thousand 12 gauge.... but it's built up over the course of a few years.
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Old 03-26-2013, 17:22   #3
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At what point do we become a hoarder? I have a few thousand FMJ 9mm, probably 500 9mm hollow points, 1000 or so .308.... maybe a few thousand 12 gauge.... but it's built up over the course of a few years.
I was wondering what thoughts were on the folks who've built up a good pile over time, I mean the people that walk into stores and literally buy every round available every week.

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Old 03-27-2013, 12:23   #4
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I was wondering what thoughts were on the folks who've built up a good pile over time, I mean the people that walk into stores and literally buy every round available every week.
The biggest issue with this thought process is thinking there are folks buying everything in sight and hording it in a bunker somewhere. Most folks that stockpile ammo have had their piles of ammo for years.

What you are seeing right now is folks buying everything in sight and marking it up 300% and reselling it to folks that didn't plan so well. One would be without reasonable thought process to think that even the majority of these folks buying everything in sight are doing so because they want to have it on hand in case of an emergency, they are selling it hand over fist.
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Old 03-27-2013, 12:24   #5
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.. One would be without reasonable thought process to think that even the majority of these folks buying everything in sight are doing so because they want to have it on hand in case of an emergency, they are selling it hand over fist.

And ?
Is that really a problem?
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And ?
Is that really a problem?
Never said anything about it being a problem. I do think ammo shortages do have more to do with the greed of a free market than anything else. Its not an issue for me because I have ammo, might be for those that don't and can't afford to pay $3 per round of 223....
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At what point do we become a hoarder? I have a few thousand FMJ 9mm, probably 500 9mm hollow points, 1000 or so .308.... maybe a few thousand 12 gauge.... but it's built up over the course of a few years.
You are just "well stocked" and not a hoarder.
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I've got better things to get my blood pressure up from.

For instance, I've got to wash my parakeet's hair.
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I've got better things to get my blood pressure up from.

For instance, I've got to wash my parakeet's hair.



I know this is a serious thread but THAT is funny!
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I've got better things to get my blood pressure up from.

For instance, I've got to wash my parakeet's hair.
All this time I have known you and broken fortune cookies with you and I never knew you had a parakeet. Some friend I am.
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If I ran a gunstore, I'd keep most of the ammo under the counter for regular customers and gun buyers, and limit quantities to facilitate this.
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If I ran a gunstore, I'd keep most of the ammo under the counter for regular customers and gun buyers, and limit quantities to facilitate this.
That's what one store in town is doing. They have some less common calibers for sale, and a few boxes for every gun they have in stock. You must buy the gun to get the ammo.
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If I ran a gunstore, I'd keep most of the ammo under the counter for regular customers and gun buyers, and limit quantities to facilitate this.
Rationing.
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If I ran a gunstore, I'd keep most of the ammo under the counter for regular customers and gun buyers, and limit quantities to facilitate this.
I bought a couple of boxes from LGS last week. I asked how many boxes I could get and he said 2. He said he was rationing it so his gun buying customers could have some.

Makes sense to me. I know I'd hate to buy a new-to-me-gun and the store not have any ammo for it. However, as a horder in training, I'd like to take every box I can home.
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However, as a horder in training, I'd like to take every box I can home.
I always have a few boxes for guys like you. How many boxes can you afford to take home?
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Old 03-31-2013, 19:16   #16
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If I ran a gunstore, I'd keep most of the ammo under the counter for regular customers and gun buyers, and limit quantities to facilitate this.
The gun stores here are raping us also. So, if possible, I'd like to put in a plug for "Shooter's". It's a gun store and indoor range.

They are only getting trickles of ammo in, but selling it at regular prices. They currently limit pistol ammo at 2 boxes, and .223/5.56 at 5 boxes.

The reason they are doing this is because scumbag slugs that consider themselves part of some imaginary "brotherhood" of gun owners, are buying cases, and then you find them on armslist selling $9.00 a box practice, cheap FMJ for $30 or $40.00 a box. I just got a new Wolf 9mm Barrell for my new G23 and can't find enough ammo to "break in" the gun/barrel. There is one slug, right here in the community I live in.

Other gun stores are doing the same, selling 10 buck a box ammo for $30.00 to $40.00 a box. Also marking Glocks, M&P's, SIG's, and similar $150 to $200 over list.

This is my plan. When things settle down, I plan to never, ever set foot in those stores again, even though I've spent thousands in them over the last 10 years or so. You might think about doing the same. Shove it up theirs, like they're doing to you, if you have Slugs/Dealers like this.

Also, Shooters is located right outside of Florence KY, if I can give them a plug here, for being stand up dudes.

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It's not what they paid for it... its what they pay to get the next one to sell... and right now the Government is signalling that it wants to enact regulations and laws that will make it more expensive to replace stock... if at all for some items.
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Hoarders hoard and would rather not sell. Nothing wrong with that.
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Not so much about the ammo but I am bothered by the people buying actual firearms for the sole reason of flipping them. Seems to me this is the straw purchase crap that makes us all look bad. This guy on one of my local Facebook gun trading groups freely admitted to doing it on numerous occasions.

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Not so much about the ammo but I am bothered by the people buying actual firearms for the sole reason of flipping them. Seems to me this is the straw purchase crap that makes us all look bad. This guy on one of my local Facebook gun trading groups freely admitted to doing it on numerous occasions.

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My understanding, is that the "private sale loophole" that's such a menace to our society only applies to those of us who are not "in the business" of selling firearms. So wouldn't this guy already be breaking the law?


I believe that's the actual terminology they use, and it is vague, but I always thought this kind of thing was over that line.

Wouldn't the IRS alone have a thing or two to say about it?
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My understanding, is that the "private sale loophole" that's such a menace to our society only applies to those of us who are not "in the business" of selling firearms. So wouldn't this guy already be breaking the law?


I believe that's the actual terminology they use, and it is vague, but I always thought this kind of thing was over that line.

Wouldn't the IRS alone have a thing or two to say about it?
I don't know. All I do know is that he's obviously lying on the 4473s when he states he's buying the firearm for himself. He was banned from all the local gun trading groups shortly after making those statements.
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I don't know. All I do know is that he's obviously lying on the 4473s when he states he's buying the firearm for himself. He was banned from all the local gun trading groups shortly after making those statements.
He did buy them for himself...then he sold them. If someone can prove that an arrangement was made to buy a gun for someone prohibited from owning one, then we have a problem and his statements were lies.

Let's use two examples:
1- Your brother-in-law, legally able to buy a gun, but unable to locate one because he is out of the country, tells you, "If you find a _____, pick it up and I will buy it from you." You find _____, buy it and sell it tohim when he gets back in country. Do you think this is a straw purchase?
2- Your brother-in-law, convicted of domestic violence and prohibited by law from possessing a gun, approaches you and says, "I want to start hunting but the local shop turned me down when I tried to buy a gun. If you buy me that _____, I'll give you back your money." You agree, buy the gun and give it to him.

Which is a straw purchase?
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Unless you have years old flattened cats under boxes of ammo you are not a real hoarder.
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I really don't know what to say. I get all the free market, buy/sell, get there earlier and yada yada yada.

This whole thing is f'in annoying. I long for the days when I could go in and buy what I needed for the upcoming weekend.

The story about the dealer sending all his employees in to buy everything so he can up-sell it at a market ticks me off. Understand it's not illegal, just annoys me. Sorry for the rant.
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Not so much about the ammo but I am bothered by the people buying actual firearms for the sole reason of flipping them. Seems to me this is the straw purchase crap that makes us all look bad. This guy on one of my local Facebook gun trading groups freely admitted to doing it on numerous occasions.

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This loose definintion of straw purchase is going to be as divisive amongst gun owners as the hunters vs black rifle owners debate.

He bought it to immediately sell it for profit. Unless there is a threshold to cross from private seller to gun dealer, he is still selling things legally. If he was approached by someone that could not own the gun and bought it for the sole purpose of giving it to a prohibited person, THAT is a straw purchase.
Otherwise, buying that set of singleshots to modify into camping guns given away as gifts makes a lot of people "straw purchasers".
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